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gregod said:
here is an interesting video about wealth distribution in the united states. it was made in 1955 by a conservative group. it is about 13 minutes long and a bit camp at times but well worth the watch; especially near the end when the professor quotes marx. if only conservatives still believed in the principles espoused in this PSA...

click on the image for the link to the youtube video.
They do.

Can you imagine a film like this being made by and shown in public schools today? A film that espouses capitalism and touts the American free enterprise system? A film that slams Marx/socialism/communism? A film that mentions God and morality?

Never happen.
 
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Neither can or could lead but Bush put us in ****sville that we won't get out of for a very long time if ever:( drug bill, homeland security, and war). Repubs and small government. What a sad joke.
 
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Finally, Professor Davies said it was unlikely that U.S. wealth per adult dropped by 1/4 in one year, but that the new lower estimate is more accurate. The research team is still working on ways to make distribution estimates more accurate, such that year-to-year changes will be more meaningful. As he wrote to me, "We haven't emphasized year-to-year changes in the shape of the wealth distributions since we are still improving our approach to that and making changes each year."
When adults in any country lose something like 25%of his/her wealth in one year... that country will plummet down the leader board.

Looking at trends, unless people get back to work, this will be the new normal.
 
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gobuck said:
Neither can or could lead but Bush put us in ****sville that we won't get out of for a very long time if ever:( drug bill, homeland security, and war). Repubs and small government. What a sad joke.
Mostly agree especially on the R's and small govt.

Getting going economically again could be done but not with this current admin and their economic policies.
 
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IRS case is starting to get interesting, but not in the way conservatives hoped.

The top Democrat on the House Ways and Means Committee is calling into question the very report that set off the IRS scandal last month.

In a sharply worded letter sent Wednesday to J. Russell George, the Inspector General for Tax Administration, Rep. Sander Levin (D-MI), the ranking member of the House Ways and Means Committee, wrote that there “is increasing evidence that the May 14, 2013 audit was fundamentally flawed and that your handling of it has failed to meet the necessary test of objectivity and forthrightness.”
In other words, basically you made **** up at Darrell Issa's request to make it appear that only conservative groups were being targeted.

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2013/06/levin_irs_scandal_letter.php
 
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Scott SoCal said:
They do.

Can you imagine a film like this being made by and shown in public schools today? A film that espouses capitalism and touts the American free enterprise system? A film that slams Marx/socialism/communism? A film that mentions God and morality?

Never happen.
the film's emphasis was on equitable income distribution; something conservatives don't even pay lip service to anymore. the prediction that marx made that was quoted has certainly come true for the US. that doesn't mean socialism or communism are better. but marx was correct about the eventualities of capitalism.
 
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Yeah, our families vacation together. In the Caymans. We check out the banking there and have lots of drinks with tiny umbrellas in them.



Your premise is crap. Unsurprisingly so.

Try and use you f'ing imagination because as you are boring the hell out of me, you are boring the hell out of everyone.

I'd say I'm embarrassed for you ... But you clearly won't get it. So, pick up your game or STFU. Friendly advice. cheers
....would appear someone got under someone's skin....sounds tragic and really itchy....my condolences, like real genuine like....

....but by all means carry on as we all look so forward to your poignant pontifications...

Cheers
 
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Not that it really matters, but I suppose the relevant question here would be 26% of which Obama supporters: the adolescent techno-zealots, the dem variety mouth breathers, the boomer boutique variety who can't stop condescending from their indolent state of entitlement long enough to understand how the tea party arose, or some mixture of all of them?
 
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Scott SoCal said:
When adults in any country lose something like 25%of his/her wealth in one year... that country will plummet down the leader board.

Looking at trends, unless people get back to work, this will be the new normal.
it appears that this has been the new normal for quite a while. the data was compiled by credit suisse bank.

on a (possibly) unrelated note, i happened to notice something about the list. do you know what all of those countries, except for switzerland and the US, have in common?

public health care. switzerland has a system similar to what the US will have in 2014, but with tighter control of the private insurers.

republicans are always touting how great america is, but health care for all americans? "it's too hard". pay a living wage? "it's too hard". clean air? "it's too hard". roads and bridges that don't crumble? "it's too hard". unadulterated food supply? "it's too hard". keep guns out of the hands of criminals and the insane? "it's too hard". why do republicans hate america so much?
 
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blutto said:
....would appear someone got under someone's skin....sounds tragic and really itchy....my condolences, like real genuine like....

....but by all means carry on as we all look so forward to your poignant pontifications...

Cheers
Yes. I really hate being bored. And you are boring much of the time.
 
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aphronesis said:
Not that it really matters, but I suppose the relevant question here would be 26% of which Obama supporters: the adolescent techno-zealots, the dem variety mouth breathers, the boomer boutique variety who can't stop condescending from their indolent state of entitlement long enough to understand how the tea party arose, or some mixture of all of them?
Good question. I didn't see the break down:)
 
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gregod said:
the film's emphasis was on equitable income distribution; something conservatives don't even pay lip service to anymore. the prediction that marx made that was quoted has certainly come true for the US. that doesn't mean socialism or communism are better. but marx was correct about the eventualities of capitalism.
It would be interesting to look at the numbers and compare.

I think you dancing on the grave of capitalism is a bit premature.
 
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gregod said:
it appears that this has been the new normal for quite a while. the data was compiled by credit suisse bank.

on a (possibly) unrelated note, i happened to notice something about the list. do you know what all of those countries, except for switzerland and the US, have in common?

public health care. switzerland has a system similar to what the US will have in 2014, but with tighter control of the private insurers.

republicans are always touting how great america is, but health care for all americans? "it's too hard". pay a living wage? "it's too hard". clean air? "it's too hard". roads and bridges that don't crumble? "it's too hard". unadulterated food supply? "it's too hard". keep guns out of the hands of criminals and the insane? "it's too hard". why do republicans hate america so much?

Who's saying its too hard?

I think cons are saying the government has a poor track record so why continue to look to the bureaucracy for all the solutions?
 
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Scott SoCal said:
It would be interesting to look at the numbers and compare.

I think you dancing on the grave of capitalism is a bit premature.
definitely not dancing on the grave of capitalism. it is still by far what has worked best. yet, as it is now practiced in the US, it has led to more and more income being concentrated at the top, which historically has led to political unrest.

it won't be the end of capitalism, but it could lead to the end of the US. unlikely, but perhaps more likely than the end of capitalism.
 
Scott SoCal said:
Who's saying its too hard?

I think cons are saying the government has a poor track record so why continue to look to the bureaucracy for all the solutions?
unfortunately their refrain is sub-contract and privatize. all that does is establish a different set of exclusions then, say, the unions you're disenchanted with.
 
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Scott SoCal said:
Who's saying its too hard?

I think cons are saying the government has a poor track record so why continue to look to the bureaucracy for all the solutions?
that statement, by definition, means it is too hard for them to do anything about it. other countries seem to manage most of those things just fine.

as PJ O'rourke said, "The Republicans are the party that says government doesn't work and then they get elected and prove it."
 
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Scott SoCal said:
Yep, Velo... Nothing to see here.


Treasury: IRS targeted 292 Tea Party groups, just 6 progressive groups


http://washingtonexaminer.com/treasury-irs-targeted-292-tea-party-groups-just-6-progressive-groups/article/2532456
The letter from the Treasury Department Inspector General for Tax Administration revealed that there just weren't many progressive groups who even sought special tax exempt status. A total of 20 sought it, and six were probed.
So only 20 progressive groups applied and 6 were probed. Now math is not my strong suit, but 6 out of 20 is a pretty decent percentage, eh? And if we assume the same rate and scale that up to 300 to equal the number of TP applications, that'd be what, about 90 groups?

So let me see if I have this straight. The "scandal" now has evolved from it being only conservative groups targeted because Obama, being the new Nixon, was ordering the IRS to hassle conservative groups for political retribution while creating a culture of intimidation and oppression (by osmosis, apparently) throughout government to...well, ok, the WH wasn't involved and yes liberal groups were also being scrutinized but there were more TP groups being scrutinized!

Man, another complete fizzle, that has got to be disappointing. Cheer up, though, the next manufactured outrage is right around the corner. I bet Issa's cooking it up as we speak.
 
gregod said:
definitely not dancing on the grave of capitalism. it is still by far what has worked best. yet, as it is now practiced in the US, it has led to more and more income being concentrated at the top, which historically has led to political unrest.

it won't be the end of capitalism, but it could lead to the end of the US. unlikely, but perhaps more likely than the end of capitalism.
At the very least that disparity and potential unrest might require a reversal of the profit distribution policies that were put in place at the end of the seventies--but it doesn't seem to be happening yet. Mostly we're just getting the increased transformation to a rentier economy.
 
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Scott SoCal said:
I think cons are saying the government has a poor track record so why continue to look to the bureaucracy for all the solutions?
Jesus, that is such bull****. Health care, dude - you're all for the system that guarantees maximum inefficiency and maximum bureaucracy purely because your ideology won't allow you to think otherwise - government has to be bad, so anything that isn't government, logically, has to be better. Even when it isn't.

The entire conservative approach to government is a self-fulfilling prophecy - government doesn't work, we do everything we can to tear it down to ensure that government doesn't work, see, government doesn't work.

Maybe, just for once, cons should actually try responsible governance instead of throwing wrenches into everything?
 
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Jesus, that is such bull****. Health care, dude - you're all for the system that guarantees maximum inefficiency and maximum bureaucracy purely because your ideology won't allow you to think otherwise - government has to be bad, so anything that isn't government, logically, has to be better. Even when it isn't.

The entire conservative approach to government is a self-fulfilling prophecy - government doesn't work, we do everything we can to tear it down to ensure that government doesn't work, see, government doesn't work.

Maybe, just for once, cons should actually try responsible governance instead of throwing wrenches into everything?
Maybe, just for once, cons should actually try responsible governance instead of throwing wrenches into everything?
You mean like we see now? Talk about a load of bull****...

The entire conservative approach to government is a self-fulfilling prophecy - government doesn't work, we do everything we can to tear it down to ensure that government doesn't work, see, government doesn't work.
I know its tough when you religion is challenged. But you'll get over it.
 
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gregod said:
that statement, by definition, means it is too hard for them to do anything about it. other countries seem to manage most of those things just fine.

as PJ O'rourke said, "The Republicans are the party that says government doesn't work and then they get elected and prove it."
Like Greece? Italy? Spain? Portugal? Ireland? France?

It's not too hard... just too often wrong-headed.
 
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gregod said:
definitely not dancing on the grave of capitalism. it is still by far what has worked best. yet, as it is now practiced in the US, it has led to more and more income being concentrated at the top, which historically has led to political unrest.

it won't be the end of capitalism, but it could lead to the end of the US. unlikely, but perhaps more likely than the end of capitalism.
definitely not dancing on the grave of capitalism. it is still by far what has worked best. yet, as it is now practiced in the US, it has led to more and more income being concentrated at the top, which historically has led to political unrest.
I agree.

It's interesting tho. As we descend it's pretty obvious what at least some of the causes are. As an example, a contributor to the shift in wealth has been the very people (and their policies) that decry this shift. Who loves regulations more than progressives? Big Business. It kills the little guy, creates voids and the big guys just keep plugging along in a rich getting richer scenario.
 
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