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Scott SoCal said:
Wow. Talk about a load of ****. I literally don't know where to start. The first is suggesting that any public education system anywhere is free. Total crap. The rest of your post just slides downhill from there.



It was a question I asked which you didn't bother to answer. Ok, it's not hysterical bull****, it's a question.



100% backwards. If public education were generating an excellent product nobody would be trying to fix **** that's not broken.



It's a lot of things. Free isn't one.



FFS, what are they given here? You can't even pay teachers more via merit without the union ****storm.



More of what I'm talking about. We are so bad... Unneeded is being charitable. Maybe you ought to tone down your vitriol and save your party.



See above.



See above.



Oh the irony. Lets fix the current system. It can be fixed. Mob, wait, we are talking about education, not healthcare.



More complete crap. Big grocers? yeah they put people out of business too. There are thousands of examples of market shifts. Why you have such disdain for entry level jobs and an employer that provides them is a mystery.

Tea party patriots are fringe. Not too sure why they get under your skin. That you won't acknowledge Obama's incompetencies is to deny reality.

But I can't say that here. I mean, you say you want what you can't seem to tolerate.
It's free to those kids. They don't pay a cent. Willful bullsh!t characterization of my words, you are doing a good job. Sure, it isn't free to society, but it fu*king shouldn't be. Oh sorry, nobody should tell you what you should do with your money regardless of the benefit it has to the overall society. It's all the politics of self centeredness with you guys...

As for the rest, again, you guys screw the system so it can't function and then blame the teachers and their unions...only they don't have a fu*king union in NC nor anywhere else in the south...and then you compare their results to those places that do and you see the absolute lie in your rhetoric. You can't fix a problem you don't want fixed. The only problem you want fixed is the one where they take your tax dollars and pay teachers in their work and retirement. The rest of it is lip service bullsh!t that nobody buys. There really is only one Republican issue anymore: Taxes. And all the easier to get that money back if you destroy the things it pays for so you can prove the system doesn't work. As I said, your problem is that it functions extremely well where they have support from the entire political spectrum...sucks for your bullsh!t, but that is a fact.

EDIT: I'm sick to fu*king death of Republicans doing the "it isn't free" tap dance. Yea, I fu*king know I pay taxes to support it...thanks for reminding me what that check I send out every April is for...:rolleyes:
 
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Scott SoCal said:
Chomsky.... Ugh. All this talk of fringe and Amster posts Chomsky.

I'm not arguing Obama to be a socialist. Maybe you missed that. I'm arguing Obama to be incompetent.

Just let me know if you need me to post that definition.
.... "All this talk of fringe and Amster posts Chomsky" ....actually that connection between fringe and Chomsky is pretty well bang on because Chomsky is most definitely part of a fringe...

....but check the fringe that Chomsky is associated with....

" Indeed, Professor Chomsky is in illustrious company. The top ten cited sources during the period were: Marx, Lenin, Shakespeare, Aristotle, the Bible, Plato, Freud, Chomsky, Hegel and Cicero"

( and this isn't just resume padding by partisan sycophants such as yourself or just his peers within his speciality but rather...

"... he is very widely read across disciplines and that his work is used by researchers across disciplines," said Theresa A. Tobin, the Humanities Librarian who checked the numbers."

....so basically peers among many disciplines...the bottom line is that the man is not a one trick pony... )

....as opposed to the fringe that your wet dream, The Smirching Chimpster, is associated with....**** Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Condoleezza Rice...

...tough call on those fringes eh?....gee do I go with some of the most brilliant people that ever lived or do I go with the incompetent homicidal maniacs....now just take your time and think about it because we wouldn't want no hasty decisions would we....

Cheers
 
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And by the way Scott, over 90% of the scientists studying climate change believe there is over a 90% probability that the major effects are caused by humans. I realize in Tea Party Patriot Bizarroland, that means the less than 10% are obviously correct, and that the over 90% are in some massive conspiracy to ensure fossil fuels are left buried in the earth. Again, reality is always wrong in your world. It's called cognitive dissonance, look it up. I'll compromise with fu*king reality, but you'll have to excuse me if I fail to see how you can compromise with people who deny basic fu*king science like the theory of evolution...I mean I'd try, but I'm obviously going to he11 for believing in such things so who cares what I want, right?
 
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Scott SoCal said:
More complete crap. Big grocers? yeah they put people out of business too. There are thousands of examples of market shifts. Why you have such disdain for entry level jobs and an employer that provides them is a mystery.

Tea party patriots are fringe. Not too sure why they get under your skin. That you won't acknowledge Obama's incompetencies is to deny reality.

But I can't say that here. I mean, you say you want what you can't seem to tolerate.
What you are backing will result in America having only two kinds of jobs, "entry level" as you say (minimum wage, which means wage at which you live barely above sustenance level) and "Captain of Industry" the few who those unwashed masses work for. We (the world) have tried this before pre industrial revolution, and it didn't really work out then.
Teaparty is basically running your Republican Party, you are just too blinded to see it.
Obama' only glaring "incompetency" is that he will not fight hard enough for some of the things he promised in his campaigns. That you can not acknowledge the things that he has actually been able to accomplish in the face of rabid resistance from the moonbat party suggests that maybe you don't have have firm a grasp on reality.
 
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Hugh Januss said:
What you are backing will result in America having only two kinds of jobs, "entry level" as you say (minimum wage, which means wage at which you live barely above sustenance level) and "Captain of Industry" the few who those unwashed masses work for. We (the world) have tried this before pre industrial revolution, and it didn't really work out then.
Teaparty is basically running your Republican Party, you are just too blinded to see it.
Obama' only glaring "incompetency" is that he will not fight hard enough for some of the things he promised in his campaigns. That you can not acknowledge the things that he has actually been able to accomplish in the face of rabid resistance from the moonbat party suggests that maybe you don't have have firm a grasp on reality.
What you are backing will result in America having only two kinds of jobs, "entry level" as you say (minimum wage, which means wage at which you live barely above sustenance level) and "Captain of Industry" the few who those unwashed masses work for.
What am I backing? Walmart delivers what they deliver better than any other retailer in history. They get what they get. When they stop being good at it or technology changes to the point where people shop differently then you will have some other entity to demonize.

Teaparty is basically running your Republican Party, you are just too blinded to see it.
And secular progressives are running yours, so what? I'm not a Tea Partier and why the F should you care if the TP takes over the R party? They will be in a perpetual state of irrelevance.

Obama' only glaring "incompetency" is that he will not fight hard enough for some of the things he promised in his campaigns. That you can not acknowledge the things that he has actually been able to accomplish in the face of rabid resistance from the moonbat party suggests that maybe you don't have have firm a grasp on reality
Oh, like closing Gitmo? How about getting people back to work? Seems to be a running theme of his. Candidate Obama was gonna end the wars. Candidate Obama chided his predecessor over debts and deficits borrowed on a credit card from "the bank of China." Drones? Yeah, the article Amster posted by Chomsky had some interesting passages in it. I think Chomsky said that Obama actually ordered the murder of BinLaden. Egypt? Interesting policy decisions being made there, wouldn't you say? Russia? Yeah, we'll we don't seem to be getting on too well there either. NSA? Hey man, BO says they are acting within the law. Good enough for me. Nothing but Phony scandals. The only thing not phony is that everything bad is the fault of someone else. That's real.
 
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ChewbaccaD said:
And by the way Scott, over 90% of the scientists studying climate change believe there is over a 90% probability that the major effects are caused by humans. I realize in Tea Party Patriot Bizarroland, that means the less than 10% are obviously correct, and that the over 90% are in some massive conspiracy to ensure fossil fuels are left buried in the earth. Again, reality is always wrong in your world. It's called cognitive dissonance, look it up. I'll compromise with fu*king reality, but you'll have to excuse me if I fail to see how you can compromise with people who deny basic fu*king science like the theory of evolution...I mean I'd try, but I'm obviously going to he11 for believing in such things so who cares what I want, right?
Always? Then it must be always correct in yours. So tell me, why do you need opposition again?
 
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blutto said:
.... "All this talk of fringe and Amster posts Chomsky" ....actually that connection between fringe and Chomsky is pretty well bang on because Chomsky is most definitely part of a fringe...

....but check the fringe that Chomsky is associated with....

" Indeed, Professor Chomsky is in illustrious company. The top ten cited sources during the period were: Marx, Lenin, Shakespeare, Aristotle, the Bible, Plato, Freud, Chomsky, Hegel and Cicero"

( and this isn't just resume padding by partisan sycophants such as yourself or just his peers within his speciality but rather...

"... he is very widely read across disciplines and that his work is used by researchers across disciplines," said Theresa A. Tobin, the Humanities Librarian who checked the numbers."

....so basically peers among many disciplines...the bottom line is that the man is not a one trick pony... )

....as opposed to the fringe that your wet dream, The Smirching Chimpster, is associated with....**** Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Condoleezza Rice...

...tough call on those fringes eh?....gee do I go with some of the most brilliant people that ever lived or do I go with the incompetent homicidal maniacs....now just take your time and think about it because we wouldn't want no hasty decisions would we....

Cheers
Yeah. Smart guy. Big thinker. Just love his take on private property.
 
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ChewbaccaD said:
It's free to those kids. They don't pay a cent. Willful bullsh!t characterization of my words, you are doing a good job. Sure, it isn't free to society, but it fu*king shouldn't be. Oh sorry, nobody should tell you what you should do with your money regardless of the benefit it has to the overall society. It's all the politics of self centeredness with you guys...

As for the rest, again, you guys screw the system so it can't function and then blame the teachers and their unions...only they don't have a fu*king union in NC nor anywhere else in the south...and then you compare their results to those places that do and you see the absolute lie in your rhetoric. You can't fix a problem you don't want fixed. The only problem you want fixed is the one where they take your tax dollars and pay teachers in their work and retirement. The rest of it is lip service bullsh!t that nobody buys. There really is only one Republican issue anymore: Taxes. And all the easier to get that money back if you destroy the things it pays for so you can prove the system doesn't work. As I said, your problem is that it functions extremely well where they have support from the entire political spectrum...sucks for your bullsh!t, but that is a fact.

EDIT: I'm sick to fu*king death of Republicans doing the "it isn't free" tap dance. Yea, I fu*king know I pay taxes to support it...thanks for reminding me what that check I send out every April is for...:rolleyes:
Oh sorry, nobody should tell you what you should do with your money regardless of the benefit it has to the overall society. It's all the politics of self centeredness with you guys...
Dirty air, dirty water, don't want our own kids educated, no need for an educated work force for all the global conglomerates we all own. Yeah, you're on the right track.

As for the rest, again, you guys screw the system so it can't function and then blame the teachers and their unions
Really? Screw the system so it can't function.... How so? You do realize we spend more money per student than any other developed nation, right? And teachers here earn more than do teachers in every other developed nation. So tell me how we have screwed the system so it won't function?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/25/oecd-education-report_n_3496875.html


There really is only one Republican issue anymore:
You know the one issue for me? Results. That's all. Why aren't we getting results in education? Other countries are, why not us?

And all the easier to get that money back if you destroy the things it pays for so you can prove the system doesn't work. As I said, your problem is that it functions extremely well where they have support from the entire political spectrum...sucks for your bullsh!t, but that is a fact.
Uh huh. Our system produces a sub standard product and those that have the temerity to ask why get **** on like this.

Sucks for all of us that you can't be challenged. All we'll get is just more of the same because your reality is always right.
 
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ChewbaccaD said:
And by the way Scott, over 90% of the scientists studying climate change believe there is over a 90% probability that the major effects are caused by humans. I realize in Tea Party Patriot Bizarroland, that means the less than 10% are obviously correct, and that the over 90% are in some massive conspiracy to ensure fossil fuels are left buried in the earth. Again, reality is always wrong in your world. It's called cognitive dissonance, look it up. I'll compromise with fu*king reality, but you'll have to excuse me if I fail to see how you can compromise with people who deny basic fu*king science like the theory of evolution...I mean I'd try, but I'm obviously going to he11 for believing in such things so who cares what I want, right?
I'm having a hard time getting riled up about global warming. Read an article about the lowest peak activity of the sun's 11 year cycle in 100 years and the peak of the next 11 years cycle will be even lower.

Reality. Interesting word. The reality is the 90% don't know for sure what the f is going on which is also true of the 10%. Same scientists are continually flummoxed regarding the deep ocean heat uptake and the unexplained pause on surface temp increases. Theories, eh? What are you going to do? Hell, maybe they are right.
 
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Scott SoCal said:
Yeah. Smart guy. Big thinker. Just love his take on private property.
....oh the horror!....he is a smart guy....and gazooks!.... a big thinker!....must be a real shock dealing with someone way out of your performance range eh sparky?....and geez, you forgot to throw that old Teapublican chestnut, elitist, on the pile...communication with your handlers a little spotty today, or is that putdown just part of the air you breathe and you just assume its part and parcel of the smart guy putdown package?...though I am kinda curious how that smart guy/big thinker putdown thang applies to dealing with life's more complex issues ( you know, big reality, not like deciding what beer are you going to drink while watching red-neck roundee-round )...is it like "no way am I going to listen to that guy, he's way smarter than me...f&%k noooo...I need a real dumb solution I can relate to..." ?????? wtf!

...and btw, speaking of takes, and while I admit that I may not "love" it, I do find your way of grasping reality quite "intriguing" ( in fact sometimes it makes me wonder if you have to consult the toilet paper's owner's manual every time you use the john...or do your handlers walk you thru that?... ) ....

...and as long as I have your undivided attention wondering how you feel about your tribe having common cause with mother Russia on dealing with that homosexual scourge that is sweeping the world....and yeah I know that your tribe's own customized personal saviour condones that kinda thinking but do realize that if the original god-guy, Jesus, were to come back right now and look at youse guys he would immediately smite your a$$e$ and send you straight to hell....oh so sorry, I forgot, you are already living in hell and in fact of fact you work night and day to makes god's creation even hellier...so maybe god is doing one of those working in mysterious ways things he apparently is so good at....sneaky guy that god, though I wish he would soon start using that surgical strike idea and spare our tribe the grief you guys work so hard to attract...damn, where is that B-Ark when you really need it?....

Cheers
 
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....well lookee here...

"Upgrading the nation’s Medicare program and expanding it to cover people of all ages would yield more than a half-trillion dollars in efficiency savings in its first year of operation, enough to pay for high-quality, comprehensive health benefits for all residents of the United States at a lower cost to most individuals, families and businesses.
That’s the chief finding of a new fiscal study by Gerald Friedman, a professor of economics at the University of Massachusetts, Amherst. There would even be money left over to help pay down the national debt, he said.
Friedman says his analysis shows that a nonprofit single-payer system based on the principles of the Expanded and Improved Medicare for All Act, H.R. 676, introduced by Rep. John Conyers Jr., D-Mich., and co-sponsored by 45 other lawmakers, would save an estimated $592 billion in 2014. That would be more than enough to cover all 44 million people the government estimates will be uninsured in that year and to upgrade benefits for everyone else.
“No other plan can achieve this magnitude of savings on health care,” Friedman said. "


http://www.healthcare-now.org/medicare-for-all-would-cover-everyone-save-billions-in-first-year

....but let's place this in the big picture to more fully understand the above point....the wrong wing, which firmly believes in the market fairy and her magic pixie dust, will be fight this kinda stuff on principal but in so doing it will somehow manage to ignore the fact that this is firmly on the path to the most economical way to run a medical system...and of course this stance will have absolutely nothing to do with the fact that the existing medical system is a bigger cash cow to the wrong wing backers than the military-industrial complex....no, the fight is because, and only because, its the principal damn it! ( which I believe, for the true believers, is some variation on... we are as dumb as a bag of rocks and we will eat any $hyte our wrong wing messiahs send down to us and we will like it!...)

Cheers
 
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Scott, I really did have a good giggle at your attempt to paint Chomsky as a left fringe voice as evidence that the left has a fringe that's as whacky as the lunatics who have taken over 'your' party. I also find it a little odd that you seem to care so little about the extent and magnitude of the increasingly greater influence exercised by the Teabagger 'fringe'. If all of you ex-mainstream Reps keep burying your heads in the sand about the threat posed by the Teabaggers, the collective do-do will continue to deepen for all.

Chewey, a couple of questions to you as our legal eagle, and as one of our two (that I'm aware of) N.C. residents here.

Do you think legal challenges to the latest N.C. 'let's pretend this is only about voter IDs' law will have any chance of success?

What is it with N.C.? During my wanderings on wingnut pages, I couldn't help but notice that whenever I came across a particularly idiotic, insane post, the poster would more often than not be from N.C. Honestly. What's been going on in a state that, iirc, voted for Obama in 08 that might explain this recent explosion of batsh!tness?
 
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blutto said:
....oh the horror!....he is a smart guy....and gazooks!.... a big thinker!....must be a real shock dealing with someone way out of your performance range eh sparky?....and geez, you forgot to throw that old Teapublican chestnut, elitist, on the pile...communication with your handlers a little spotty today, or is that putdown just part of the air you breathe ?...though I am kinda curious how that smart guy/big thinker putdown applies to dealing with life's more complex issues ( you know, big reality, not like deciding what beer are you going to drink while watching red-neck roundee-round )...is it like "no way am I going to talk to that guy, he's way smarter than me...f&%k noooo...I need a real dumb solution I can relate to..." ??????

...and btw, speaking of takes, and while I admit that I may not "love" it, I do find your way of grasping reality quite "intriguing" ( in fact sometimes it makes me wonder if you have to consult the toilet paper's owner's manual every time you use the john...or do your handlers walk you thru that?... ) ....

Cheers

Calm down. I didn't realize you are so sensitive regarding Chomsky.

He the brightest dude to ever put his pants on one leg at a time. Feel better?
 
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blutto said:
....well lookee here...

"Upgrading the nation’s Medicare program and expanding it to cover people of all ages would yield more than a half-trillion dollars in efficiency savings in its first year of operation, enough to pay for high-quality, comprehensive health benefits for all residents of the United States at a lower cost to most individuals, families and businesses.
That’s the chief finding of a new fiscal study by Gerald Friedman, a professor of economics at the University of Massachusetts, Amherst. There would even be money left over to help pay down the national debt, he said.
Friedman says his analysis shows that a nonprofit single-payer system based on the principles of the Expanded and Improved Medicare for All Act, H.R. 676, introduced by Rep. John Conyers Jr., D-Mich., and co-sponsored by 45 other lawmakers, would save an estimated $592 billion in 2014. That would be more than enough to cover all 44 million people the government estimates will be uninsured in that year and to upgrade benefits for everyone else.
“No other plan can achieve this magnitude of savings on health care,” Friedman said. "


http://www.healthcare-now.org/medicare-for-all-would-cover-everyone-save-billions-in-first-year

....but let's place this in the big picture to more fully understand the above point....the wrong wing, which firmly believes in the market fairy and her magic pixie dust, will be fight this kinda stuff on principal but in so doing it will somehow manage to ignore the fact that this is firmly on the path to the most economical way to run a medical system...and of course this stance will have absolutely nothing to do with the fact that the existing medical system is a bigger cash cow to the wrong wing backers than the military-industrial complex....no, the fight is because, and only because, its the principal damn it! ( which I believe, for the true believers, is some variation on... we are as dumb as a bag of rocks and we will eat any $hyte our wrong wing messiahs send down to us and we will like it!...)

Cheers
Oh good. Maybe we can upgrade our education system while we are at it.

There would even be money left over to help pay down the national debt, he said.
Why the F do we need to do that? Certainly there's a better use of those dollars with some random aid program? If not one that exists then clearly the best use of those dollars would be to begin a new one.

Friedman said the savings would come from slashing the administrative waste associated with today’s private health insurance industry ($476 billion) and using the new, public system’s bargaining muscle to negotiate pharmaceutical drug prices down to European levels ($116 billion).
Slashing administrative waste. Yeah, the govt excels in this area.

Over the next decade, the system’s savings from reduced health inflation (“bending the cost curve”), thanks to cost-control methods such as negotiated fees, lump-sum payments to hospitals, and capital planning, would amount to an estimated $1.8 trillion.
Cost controls have always worked. Don't know why we didn't do this before.

“Paradoxically, by expanding Medicare to everyone we’d end up saving billions of dollars annually,” he said. “We’d be safeguarding Medicare’s fiscal integrity while enhancing the nation’s health for the long term.”
Paradox indeed.

“Such a financing scheme would vastly simplify how the nation pays for care, restore free choice of physician, guarantee all necessary medical care, improve patient health and, because it would be financed by a program of progressive taxation, result in 95 percent of all U.S. households saving money,” Friedman said.
Ah. But what if the other 5% refuse to play along? The very definition of a house of cards is for the 95% to depend on the 5%. But then since debt doesn't matter we really don't have to tax the 5%. So it sounds like a great idea when you really think about it.
 
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Scott, I really did have a good giggle at your attempt to paint Chomsky as a left fringe voice as evidence that the left has a fringe that's as whacky as the lunatics who have taken over 'your' party. I also find it a little odd that you seem to care so little about the extent and magnitude of the increasingly greater influence exercised by the Teabagger 'fringe'. If all of you ex-mainstream Reps keep burying your heads in the sand about the threat posed by the Teabaggers, the collective do-do will continue to deepen for all.

Chewey, a couple of questions to you as our legal eagle, and as one of our two (that I'm aware of) N.C. residents here.

Do you think legal challenges to the latest N.C. 'let's pretend this is only about voter IDs' law will have any chance of success?

What is it with N.C.? During my wanderings on wingnut pages, I couldn't help but notice that whenever I came across a particularly idiotic, insane post, the poster would more often than not be from N.C. Honestly. What's been going on in a state that, iirc, voted for Obama in 08 that might explain this recent explosion of batsh!tness?
I also find it a little odd that you seem to care so little about the extent and magnitude of the increasingly greater influence exercised by the Teabagger 'fringe'
Well, I don't spend much time worrying about the loons.


If all of you ex-mainstream Reps keep burying your heads in the sand about the threat posed by the Teabaggers, the collective do-do will continue to deepen for all.
No, actually. And trust me, I've never been mainstream.
 
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Scott SoCal said:
Dirty air, dirty water, don't want our own kids educated, no need for an educated work force for all the global conglomerates we all own. Yeah, you're on the right track.



Really? Screw the system so it can't function.... How so? You do realize we spend more money per student than any other developed nation, right? And teachers here earn more than do teachers in every other developed nation. So tell me how we have screwed the system so it won't function?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/25/oecd-education-report_n_3496875.html




You know the one issue for me? Results. That's all. Why aren't we getting results in education? Other countries are, why not us?



Uh huh. Our system produces a sub standard product and those that have the temerity to ask why get **** on like this.

Sucks for all of us that you can't be challenged. All we'll get is just more of the same because your reality is always right.
I see you didn't actually bother to read the article you posted. Typical. Anyone who is suggesting our schools are adequately funded has obviously never actually seen the day to day operation of schools, nor have they experienced the absolute sh!t working conditions our teachers now experience. But certainly, the complete disrespect Republicans continue to show for teachers and schools is doing a world of good in terms of improving education. As for the myriad of ways Republicans try to destroy the education system, it's all there is you actually attend school board meetings, or look at the policies being instituted by Tea Party Patriot idiots like those here in NC.

As for "results" please do explain how having a primary focus on making sure there are school voucher is a focus on improving "results" on public schools. Go ahead, I want to hear this.

As I said, your only issue is taxes. You illustrate that perfectly with your opening Grover Norquist inspired "it isn't free" bullsh!t. Then you cover with this crap. Keep the "government can't do anything right" rhetoric so you can have a cheaper tax bill. That's what passes as "helping to improve education" in Bizarroland. Your motives are transparent, and continually betrayed by your actual words.

Because the FACT is that government run schools are extremely successful in countries where one party isn't trying do destroy the system with their rhetoric (clearly you don't seem to understand just how detrimental your rhetoric is) and policies that seek to destroy the system because somebody wants to teach evolution and other heresies.
 
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Scott SoCal said:
I'm having a hard time getting riled up about global warming. Read an article about the lowest peak activity of the sun's 11 year cycle in 100 years and the peak of the next 11 years cycle will be even lower.

Reality. Interesting word. The reality is the 90% don't know for sure what the f is going on which is also true of the 10%. Same scientists are continually flummoxed regarding the deep ocean heat uptake and the unexplained pause on surface temp increases. Theories, eh? What are you going to do? Hell, maybe they are right.
Oh they're right. As you continue to show with your use of the term "global warming," you don't actually understand the phenomenon you are discussing, That's because the only scientists you trust are those purchased by the coal and gas industries. You know, that less than 10% that disagree. No, 90% know much more about what's going on. Again, only in Bizarroland are the extreme minority (again, less than 10%) regarded as being almost certainly correct.

Reality. Interesting word. You, an untrained member of the insurance community believe your understanding of the problem trumps those 90% who understand 1000x what you do about climate change. Typical Republican position. But you're armed with the studies purchased by gas and coal, and the less than 10% of scientists who disagree. Seems legit, you're probably right, nothing to see here, move along...:rolleyes:
 
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ChewbaccaD said:
I see you didn't actually bother to read the article you posted. Typical. Anyone who is suggesting our schools are adequately funded has obviously never actually seen the day to day operation of schools, nor have they experienced the absolute sh!t working conditions our teachers now experience. But certainly, the complete disrespect Republicans continue to show for teachers and schools is doing a world of good in terms of improving education. As for the myriad of ways Republicans try to destroy the education system, it's all there is you actually attend school board meetings, or look at the policies being instituted by Tea Party Patriot idiots like those here in NC.

As for "results" please do explain how having a primary focus on making sure there are school voucher is a focus on improving "results" on public schools. Go ahead, I want to hear this.

As I said, your only issue is taxes. You illustrate that perfectly with your opening Grover Norquist inspired "it isn't free" bullsh!t. Then you cover with this crap. Keep the "government can't do anything right" rhetoric so you can have a cheaper tax bill. That's what passes as "helping to improve education" in Bizarroland. Your motives are transparent, and continually betrayed by your actual words.

Because the FACT is that government run schools are extremely successful in countries where one party isn't trying do destroy the system with their rhetoric (clearly you don't seem to understand just how detrimental your rhetoric is) and policies that seek to destroy the system because somebody wants to teach evolution and other heresies.
"When people talk about other countries out-educating the United States, it needs to be remembered that those other nations are out-investing us in education as well," said Randi Weingarten, president of the American Federation of Teachers, a labor union.
Choice quote. I read the entire article. Your point that I and people who are questioning public education results are doing our utmost to kill the education system is so far off the mark... The only real surprise is that it's coming from you.

I don't know if our schools are adequately funded. But since we are spending more per student than all other developed nations I'd like to know why our results are below other developed nations spending less? Delicate sensibilities aside, can I not ask that question without getting my head cut off?

As for "results" please do explain how having a primary focus on making sure there are school voucher is a focus on improving "results" on public schools. Go ahead, I want to hear this.
Why would you trap inner city kids in failing public schools? Don't those parents who are involved in their kids education deserve as well as the kids themselves deserve a chance at a quality education? Why would it matter to you if it's public or private? So there's never a place for the voucher system?

Because the FACT is that government run schools are extremely successful in countries where one party isn't trying do destroy the system with their rhetoric (clearly you don't seem to understand just how detrimental your rhetoric is)
You are ****ing killing me here. Take a step back and look at your rhetoric.
 
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Yea, calling it "Obamacare" rather than the Affordable Care Act, which is its proper name gives one a clue as to evenhandedness of the writer...:rolleyes:

arguably exceed, the boundaries of lawful conduct...Judge Michael McConnell
Typical Republican rhetoric, anything can be argued, thus it is proof whatever position you oppose is wrong...:rolleyes:

Yea, really unbiased Constitutional Scholar there...do some research...

Like most issues of presidential authority, this isn't cut and dried.
Really, brilliant fu*king observation there Sherlock...

Bottom line: Let's delay and rewrite this ill-conceived law. Congress need not start from scratch. Lawmakers can build on what all of us have learned from three years of painful trial and error. Three years of attempting, but failing, to make this clumsy monstrosity work for the American people.
Nah, lets hold another idiotic fu*king vote to repeal the law instead...that's much more effective...
 
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Oh they're right. As you continue to show with your use of the term "global warming," you don't actually understand the phenomenon you are discussing, That's because the only scientists you trust are those purchased by the coal and gas industries. You know, that less than 10% that disagree. No, 90% know much more about what's going on. Again, only in Bizarroland are the extreme minority (again, less than 10%) regarded as being almost certainly correct.

Reality. Interesting word. You, an untrained member of the insurance community believe your understanding of the problem trumps those 90% who understand 1000x what you do about climate change. Typical Republican position. But you're armed with the studies purchased by gas and coal, and the less than 10% of scientists who disagree. Seems legit, you're probably right, nothing to see here, move along...:rolleyes:
No, I use the term global warming because that's what science used to call it before it politically morphed into climate change.

Are you trained in climatology? Yeah, me neither. It would be nice if science could explain the lack of sun activity. Nice if they could explain the deep ocean. Nice if they could explain the pause.

And then if you listen to Velo (he's not a climatologist either) it's already too late.

So, what's the fix? Kyoto? We've already fixed the problem in Cali. Except Jerry Brown isn't having any luck with the Chinese or the Indians or Texas for that matter. So, what is the solution the 90% are talking about? Assuming the 90% are dead on... And I'll tell you right now: I'm not arguing this point ever again, you've convinced me, our CO2 and methane from rice fields and cow flatulence will be the end of humanity, how are we to fix the problem?
 
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Yea, calling it "Obamacare" rather than the Affordable Care Act, which is its proper name gives one a clue as to evenhandedness of the writer...:rolleyes:



Typical Republican rhetoric, anything can be argued, thus it is proof whatever position you oppose is wrong...:rolleyes:

Yea, really unbiased Constitutional Scholar there...do some research...



Really, brilliant fu*king observation there Sherlock...



Nah, lets hold another idiotic fu*king vote to repeal the law instead...that's much more effective...

Nah. It's government so there can't be anything wrong with it.
 
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Choice quote. I read the entire article. Your point that I and people who are questioning public education results are doing our utmost to kill the education system is so far off the mark... The only real surprise is that it's coming from you.
Go to your local school board meeting and watch what's going on. Parents who fought for the "neighborhood school" system we currently have (I was at the epicenter considering the case decided by SCOTUS was brought by parents here in Charlotte) did so so they could concentrate the poor into their pockets of poverty so their kids didn't have to be exposed to poor kids. Then they set about reducing funding for schools (which is reflected in the article you posted.) Then, after you visit the school board meeting, go visit some schools in your district that are in diverse socioeconomic areas.

I don't know if our schools are adequately funded. But since we are spending more per student than all other developed nations I'd like to know why our results are below other developed nations spending less? Delicate sensibilities aside, can I not ask that question without getting my head cut off?
Again, just go visit some schools in diverse socioeconomic areas. And sure, you can ask the question, but you already know the answer and are merely looking for confirmation of that answer. It's all the teacher's fault.


Why would you trap inner city kids in failing public schools? Don't those parents who are involved in their kids education deserve as well as the kids themselves deserve a chance at a quality education? Why would it matter to you if it's public or private? So there's never a place for the voucher system?
We are trapping everyone left in the worst kind of sh!thole you can imagine. The problem with the voucher system is that once you take out the kids who have parents who care enough about them to move them, all you have left are the worst of the worst, who have parents who don't give a sh!t, and you know, fu*k them, right? They should have been born to better parents. It's not my responsibility to care about them. I've got taxes I need to lower. I mean, if they want more funds, send the kids around selling things door to door like they do in the better neighborhoods. Sure, they may have to dodge pedophiles, drug addicts, and people who will steal their money, but ****, that's what they're going to turn into, so lets just call it "vocational training" and be done with it, right? You think this is hyperbole? Again, go visit some schools in diverse socioeconomic areas and see for yourself. I'd suggest packing heat though, just for your safety. See, when you institute policies like vouchers, instead of trying to engage a community in improving all schools (conservative parents are notorious for ONLY caring about the schools their kids attend, and fighting as hard as they can to make sure as little of their money as possible goes to support anything but those schools), you can much more easily just forget about those sh!tholes that are left because you don't have to see them. Out of sight, out of mind.



You are ****ing killing me here. Take a step back and look at your rhetoric.
This isn't rhetoric, this is reality, and as the saying goes, reality has a liberal bias.
 
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No, I use the term global warming because that's what science used to call it before it politically morphed into climate change.

Are you trained in climatology? Yeah, me neither. It would be nice if science could explain the lack of sun activity. Nice if they could explain the deep ocean. Nice if they could explain the pause.

And then if you listen to Velo (he's not a climatologist either) it's already too late.

So, what's the fix? Kyoto? We've already fixed the problem in Cali. Except Jerry Brown isn't having any luck with the Chinese or the Indians or Texas for that matter. So, what is the solution the 90% are talking about? Assuming the 90% are dead on... And I'll tell you right now: I'm not arguing this point ever again, you've convinced me, our CO2 and methane from rice fields and cow flatulence will be the end of humanity, how are we to fix the problem?
Why are you asking how to fix a problem that doesn't exist? The term is "climate change" because as scientists have always suggested, the effects will not be a linear rise in temperatures in every area because things like the polar icecap melting causing climate fluxuations in areas that just might involve large changes in snowfall and extended periods of rain that by their nature decrease the temperature in areas.

But you're certainly right, if China isn't going to play along, we are absolved of any responsibility in reducing our part of the problem. That's the conservative way.
 

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