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I personally think Cuomo has his eyes firmly set on 2020 or 2024. His campaigning will essentially start in February of 2017.

As to debt reduction, how about cutting defense spending by 20% (still having the world's largest military, by far), and increasing the marginal tax rate on income over $1m, and capital gains over $1m?

But the conservatives won't go for either, because they have sold their souls to the devil on military might, and supply side economics, and no information to the contrary, Piketty or otherwise, will change their minds one bit.
 
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I personally think Cuomo has his eyes firmly set on 2020 or 2024. His campaigning will essentially start in February of 2017.

As to debt reduction, how about cutting defense spending by 20% (still having the world's largest military, by far), and increasing the marginal tax rate on income over $1m, and capital gains over $1m?

But the conservatives won't go for either, because they have sold their souls to the devil on military might, and supply side economics, and no information to the contrary, Piketty or otherwise, will change their minds one bit.
Because cons aren't serious about debt reduction, it's a political cudgel they use to bash Obama. Remember all the fuss about spending and deficits and the debt during the Bush years when Rs didn't meet a spending bill they didn't like? Me neither.
 
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Alpe d'Huez said:
I personally think Cuomo has his eyes firmly set on 2020 or 2024. His campaigning will essentially start in February of 2017.

As to debt reduction, how about cutting defense spending by 20% (still having the world's largest military, by far), and increasing the marginal tax rate on income over $1m, and capital gains over $1m?

But the conservatives won't go for either, because they have sold their souls to the devil on military might, and supply side economics, and no information to the contrary, Piketty or otherwise, will change their minds one bit.
Because cons aren't serious about debt reduction, it's a political cudgel they use to bash Obama. Remember all the fuss about spending and deficits and the debt during the Bush years when Rs didn't meet a spending bill they didn't like? Me neither.
Our "negotiating partners" are all commie pinko sympathizer socialist pigs, who cares what they think. America Fu@k yeah!
 
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Annnnnd this is where you progressives get yourself in trouble. Everybody you guys disagree with is a clown, insane, bigot, racist, homophobe, etc. So when you trot out this nonsense everybody with a brain does this; :rolleyes:
If you (and Alpe) seriously think that the Donald is a rational player, we're pretty much done. I am truly stunned. The man is a gifted public speaker and demagogue, no doubt about that. But, the instant that you scratch the surface, there is nothing but pathological, insane bluster. How anyone can see this sexist, racist buffoon as anything other than the coup de grace for any remaining R aspirations for next year, is utterly beyond me.

Wants to deport 11m people.
Wants to build a wall along the whole southern border that he'll force Mexico to pay for.
Wants to massively ramp up the armed forces so that they'll be "so big, so powerful, so awesome" that they'll never be used because the whole world will fear us again - except to surround ISIS and take back their oil.
Will get jobs back from China and Mexico.
Will "make America Great again".

Doesn't have one concrete answer to how any of this would be achieved. Pie in the sky, cliche-ridden, sexist, racist, populist bluster and demagoguery of the most vile and obnoxious kind - and you guys think this is somehow good for the body politic? I am really fcuking speechless.
Sometimes I'm speechless when it comes to the stuff someone like Hillary can get away with. If it is any government employee but her they would be in some deep Do.

Kind of like NYC is these days with that do nothing Mayor. You got folks once again panhandling the crap out of times square and defecating / urinating in the streets. Yeah I am speechless over stuff like that.
Look over there, squirrel. Trumpie was the topic here, where did Hillary come from and how did she get involved in this discussion? Let alone the returning to 3rd world status of most of our big cities due to well you know that whole income inequality thingee. Which is what keeps the Donald afloat.
 
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Glenn_Wilson said:
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Annnnnd this is where you progressives get yourself in trouble. Everybody you guys disagree with is a clown, insane, bigot, racist, homophobe, etc. So when you trot out this nonsense everybody with a brain does this; :rolleyes:
If you (and Alpe) seriously think that the Donald is a rational player, we're pretty much done. I am truly stunned. The man is a gifted public speaker and demagogue, no doubt about that. But, the instant that you scratch the surface, there is nothing but pathological, insane bluster. How anyone can see this sexist, racist buffoon as anything other than the coup de grace for any remaining R aspirations for next year, is utterly beyond me.

Wants to deport 11m people.
Wants to build a wall along the whole southern border that he'll force Mexico to pay for.
Wants to massively ramp up the armed forces so that they'll be "so big, so powerful, so awesome" that they'll never be used because the whole world will fear us again - except to surround ISIS and take back their oil.
Will get jobs back from China and Mexico.
Will "make America Great again".

Doesn't have one concrete answer to how any of this would be achieved. Pie in the sky, cliche-ridden, sexist, racist, populist bluster and demagoguery of the most vile and obnoxious kind - and you guys think this is somehow good for the body politic? I am really fcuking speechless.
Sometimes I'm speechless when it comes to the stuff someone like Hillary can get away with. If it is any government employee but her they would be in some deep Do.

Kind of like NYC is these days with that do nothing Mayor. You got folks once again panhandling the crap out of times square and defecating / urinating in the streets. Yeah I am speechless over stuff like that.
Look over there, squirrel. Trumpie was the topic here, where did Hillary come from and how did she get involved in this discussion? Let alone the returning to 3rd world status of most of our big cities due to well you know that whole income inequality thingee. Which is what keeps the Donald afloat.
No kidding, I wonder how his speech in Alabama would have gone over in East LA. Loved how he squinted his eyes and talked like a Asian comic book person from the 50s, when talking about Japan. There goes the Asian vote. The GOP deserves trump and if the US elects him, they get just what they deserve too. I think he has a shot at the nomination, or he will run as an independent. The next test is whether SouthCarolina removes him from the primary ballot if he doesn't pledge support for the GOP and pledging he won't run as an independent.

donald-the gift that keeps on giving. Scott can whince all he wants about Hillary or Biden or whomever..donald..
 
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....speaking of fun with numbers....jeez this is going to start getting to be very complisticated....
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Biden More Competitive Than Clinton Against Leading Republicans: Poll

Source: Bloomberg

Here's one more reason to continue speculating about whether Vice President Joe Biden will enter the presidential race: he polls better nationally against the leading three Republican candidates than Hillary Clinton, and has a higher favorability rating, too.

According to a Quinnipiac University poll released Thursday, if Biden was the democratic candidate, he would beat Donald Trump by eight points (48 - 40 percent), former Florida Governor Jeb Bush by six points (45 - 39) and Senator Marco Rubio by three points (44 - 41). Clinton only beats Trump by four points (45 - 41), Bush by two points (42 - 40) and Rubio by one point (44 - 43).

Read more: http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-08-27/biden-more-competitive-than-clinton-against-leading-republicans-poll

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Hugh Januss said:
Glenn_Wilson said:
Amsterhammer said:
Scott SoCal said:
Annnnnd this is where you progressives get yourself in trouble. Everybody you guys disagree with is a clown, insane, bigot, racist, homophobe, etc. So when you trot out this nonsense everybody with a brain does this; :rolleyes:
If you (and Alpe) seriously think that the Donald is a rational player, we're pretty much done. I am truly stunned. The man is a gifted public speaker and demagogue, no doubt about that. But, the instant that you scratch the surface, there is nothing but pathological, insane bluster. How anyone can see this sexist, racist buffoon as anything other than the coup de grace for any remaining R aspirations for next year, is utterly beyond me.

Wants to deport 11m people.
Wants to build a wall along the whole southern border that he'll force Mexico to pay for.
Wants to massively ramp up the armed forces so that they'll be "so big, so powerful, so awesome" that they'll never be used because the whole world will fear us again - except to surround ISIS and take back their oil.
Will get jobs back from China and Mexico.
Will "make America Great again".

Doesn't have one concrete answer to how any of this would be achieved. Pie in the sky, cliche-ridden, sexist, racist, populist bluster and demagoguery of the most vile and obnoxious kind - and you guys think this is somehow good for the body politic? I am really fcuking speechless.
Sometimes I'm speechless when it comes to the stuff someone like Hillary can get away with. If it is any government employee but her they would be in some deep Do.

Kind of like NYC is these days with that do nothing Mayor. You got folks once again panhandling the crap out of times square and defecating / urinating in the streets. Yeah I am speechless over stuff like that.
Look over there, squirrel. Trumpie was the topic here, where did Hillary come from and how did she get involved in this discussion? Let alone the returning to 3rd world status of most of our big cities due to well you know that whole income inequality thingee. Which is what keeps the Donald afloat.
Omg. Income inequality? That's Shitcago's problem? How about the breathtaking turn-around in NYC? No, progressive policies have nothing to do with anything. :rolleyes:

Analysis through a bottle cap ideological lense.
 
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@Busted, it's not about me wincing. Trump may kill the modern GOPe. I say so be it.... If it needs to be burned down then so be it.

So, turning this around what are your prospects as a Dem? You thrilled about potentially pulling the lever for Hillary?
 
In his latest interviews, Trump is starting to play the economic populist card. I guess 'income inequality' is not as divisive as some would lead us to believe.

'On Sunday, Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump struck a populist tone when talking about hedge funds and the taxes they pay. “They’re paying nothing and it’s ridiculous,” he told John Dickerson on Face the Nation. “They make a fortune, they pay no tax, it’s ridiculous okay.”
He went on to say they “are getting away with murder” and that “they have to pay tax.” Without specifying exactly how he would change that, he added that he wants to lower tax rates for middle-class Americans. “The middle class is the one, they’re getting absolutely destroyed.”"

http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2015/08/24/3694491/trump-tax-populism/

His sit down interview with Bloomberg politics that I saw this morning was more of the same. I think the eventual GOP nominee will run on a similar platform. That doesn't mean that I think that they will actually do anything to fix the situation if victorious.
 
Scott, "analysis through an ideological bottle cap lens"?

"Breathtaking turnaround in NY due to progressive policies"?

Please do tell.

@Glenn, Democrats don't need to think outside their box when it's already more inclusive and expansive than the contracting one offered by Republicans. By extension, what works--or offers the possibility and illusion of working--gets equated with what's right.
 
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Look over there, squirrel. Trumpie was the topic here, where did Hillary come from and how did she get involved in this discussion? Let alone the returning to 3rd world status of most of our big cities due to well you know that whole income inequality thingee. Which is what keeps the Donald afloat.
I can see that this Hillary stuff has you a bit perturbed. What is sad and truly shows where we are these days - I will end up voting for her because what other choice will we have?

I have a few rules when it comes to these candidates and the republicans have all pretty much taken themselves off my list of potential candidates.
example - Anyone who says they want to defund planned parenthood -OUT. Defund Healthcare - OUT , I'm personally adding things to this list almost daily - pay to deport 11 million people - OUT.

But you Libs cant do stuff like that because you are all caught up in a tight box and would never think outside that box.
 
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....speaking of fun with numbers....jeez this is going to start getting to be very complisticated....
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Biden More Competitive Than Clinton Against Leading Republicans: Poll

Source: Bloomberg

Here's one more reason to continue speculating about whether Vice President Joe Biden will enter the presidential race: he polls better nationally against the leading three Republican candidates than Hillary Clinton, and has a higher favorability rating, too.

According to a Quinnipiac University poll released Thursday, if Biden was the democratic candidate, he would beat Donald Trump by eight points (48 - 40 percent), former Florida Governor Jeb Bush by six points (45 - 39) and Senator Marco Rubio by three points (44 - 41). Clinton only beats Trump by four points (45 - 41), Bush by two points (42 - 40) and Rubio by one point (44 - 43).

Read more: http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-08-27/biden-more-competitive-than-clinton-against-leading-republicans-poll

Cheers
Numbers are fun. Looks like Deez Nuts dropped a point from 7% to 6%
http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2015/08/ayottehassan-a-toss-up-clintonsanders-generally-lead-gop-field.html
Finally we checked in once again on our favorite independent candidate, Deez Nuts. Despite a torrent of nationwide publicity over the last week Nuts gets just 6% in a match up with Clinton and Trump, less than the 7-9% we found him getting in polls before he was outed to the nation as a 15 year old boy. Perhaps Americans unhappy with their choices are now moving more towards Limberbutt McCubbins, Dat Ass, and Butt Stuff.
 
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@Busted, it's not about me wincing. Trump may kill the modern GOPe. I say so be it.... If it needs to be burned down then so be it.

So, turning this around what are your prospects as a Dem? You thrilled about potentially pulling the lever for Hillary?
I like Hillary. A report this morning says most of SecState and SecDef 'officials' sent/send classified correspondence over non secure email all the time. It's not about decisions she made(GOP has tried to hand the mess in Bengazi on her, but..after 14-15 'Congressional hearings, just poor PR)..it's about this server. She is tough, intelligent, I trust her far more than any of the GOP nominees.
They all have 'goods and others'..the only GOP candidates that actually have a chance, Bush, Rubio(maybe), Fiorina, Kasisch...all have big problems also. Biden will make them both run better, smarter, more openly. I like Biden also, I also like Obama. He did great things after Bush gooned things up so well. Did ya see Jeb's answer when asked, 'would ISIS even exist of we had not invaded Iraq?'.

BUT the GOP had better figure out this BS with this moron called trump..otherwise it won't make any difference who runs for the democrats..it'll be a walkover.
 
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Look over there, squirrel. Trumpie was the topic here, where did Hillary come from and how did she get involved in this discussion? Let alone the returning to 3rd world status of most of our big cities due to well you know that whole income inequality thingee. Which is what keeps the Donald afloat.
I can see that this Hillary stuff has you a bit perturbed. What is sad and truly shows where we are these days - I will end up voting for her because what other choice will we have?

I have a few rules when it comes to these candidates and the republicans have all pretty much taken themselves off my list of potential candidates.
example - Anyone who says they want to defund planned parenthood -OUT. Defund Healthcare - OUT , I'm personally adding things to this list almost daily - pay to deport 11 million people - OUT.

But you Libs cant do stuff like that because you are all caught up in a tight box and would never think outside that box.
So it's true, you are a moderate, middle of the road. Like the big chunk of voters in the middle who decide the past and future presidents. Like me...So forget about the 3 ayatollahs, cruz, huckabee, santorum..
 
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Scott SoCal said:
@Busted, it's not about me wincing. Trump may kill the modern GOPe. I say so be it.... If it needs to be burned down then so be it.

So, turning this around what are your prospects as a Dem? You thrilled about potentially pulling the lever for Hillary?
I like Hillary. A report this morning says most of SecState and SecDef 'officials' sent/send classified correspondence over non secure email all the time. It's not about decisions she made(GOP has tried to hand the mess in Bengazi on her, but..after 14-15 'Congressional hearings, just poor PR)..it's about this server. She is tough, intelligent, I trust her far more than any of the GOP nominees.
They all have 'goods and others'..the only GOP candidates that actually have a chance, Bush, Rubio(maybe), Fiorina, Kasisch...all have big problems also. Biden will make them both run better, smarter, more openly. I like Biden also, I also like Obama. He did great things after Bush gooned things up so well. Did ya see Jeb's answer when asked, 'would ISIS even exist of we had not invaded Iraq?'.

BUT the GOP had better figure out this BS with this moron called trump..otherwise it won't make any difference who runs for the democrats..it'll be a walkover.

I would say you are comparable to the average Trump supporter. It doesn't matter that she's under potential criminal investigation. It doesn't matter that this email scandal goes to (horrible) judgment. It doesn't matter that she may very well have compromised national security. It doesn't matter that she did all of these things so that she could hide a relationship with Blumenthal that the administration all but insisted she could not have.

You will look past any and all baggage because you like her. This isn't an indictment of you... I find the mindset comparison interesting.

If the GOPe loses badly... or wins handily then, really, so what?
 
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Bustedknuckle said:
Scott SoCal said:
@Busted, it's not about me wincing. Trump may kill the modern GOPe. I say so be it.... If it needs to be burned down then so be it.

So, turning this around what are your prospects as a Dem? You thrilled about potentially pulling the lever for Hillary?
I like Hillary. A report this morning says most of SecState and SecDef 'officials' sent/send classified correspondence over non secure email all the time. It's not about decisions she made(GOP has tried to hand the mess in Bengazi on her, but..after 14-15 'Congressional hearings, just poor PR)..it's about this server. She is tough, intelligent, I trust her far more than any of the GOP nominees.
They all have 'goods and others'..the only GOP candidates that actually have a chance, Bush, Rubio(maybe), Fiorina, Kasisch...all have big problems also. Biden will make them both run better, smarter, more openly. I like Biden also, I also like Obama. He did great things after Bush gooned things up so well. Did ya see Jeb's answer when asked, 'would ISIS even exist of we had not invaded Iraq?'.

BUT the GOP had better figure out this BS with this moron called trump..otherwise it won't make any difference who runs for the democrats..it'll be a walkover.

I would say you are comparable to the average Trump supporter. It doesn't matter that she's under potential criminal investigation. It doesn't matter that this email scandal goes to (horrible) judgment. It doesn't matter that she may very well have compromised national security. It doesn't matter that she did all of these things so that she could hide a relationship with Blumenthal that the administration all but insisted she could not have.

You will look past any and all baggage because you like her. This isn't an indictment of you... I find the mindset comparison interesting.

If the GOPe loses badly... or wins handily then, really, so what?
Potential, your word, and if she is indicted, she drops out. If its horrible judgement then the same for the last few SecDefs and SecStates also. But it should be about what she did, not about a server. Its silly. She didn't 'compromise national security' any more than anybody else at those 2 departments.

You don't like her, I get it. Hillary would be a good POTUS, as would some of the others I mentioned, even GOP, but trump would be damaging, big damaging and I would guess he would be impeached fairly early on if elected. Not even, 'I'll say anything to get re-elected', McConnell would support him. Not even Boener.
 
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I don't like Hillary and I don't think she would be good in the oval office. Her accomplishments are almost non-existent considering the high positions she has held.

I don't think Trump can be elected but I do think the shake-up effect will ultimately steer the GOPe in a more productive direction even if they get their butts kicked in the next few cycles.

And I do get a kick out of the left with respect to Trump. He has the left (and establishment right) scared to death and to be frank, I am enjoying the hell out of it. Something has to shake up the cronyism/corruption and like I wrote earlier... if it takes someone like Trump burning down the GOPe then I am fine with it.
 
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I don't like Hillary and I don't think she would be good in the oval office. Her accomplishments are almost non-existent considering the high positions she has held.

I don't think Trump can be elected but I do think the shake-up effect will ultimately steer the GOPe in a more productive direction even if they get their butts kicked in the next few cycles.

And I do get a kick out of the left with respect to Trump. He has the left (and establishment right) scared to death and to be frank, I am enjoying the hell out of it. Something has to shake up the cronyism/corruption and like I wrote earlier... if it takes someone like Trump burning down the GOPe then I am fine with it.
Sorry, Scott, but no one - repeat, no one - on the left is in the slightest bit scared of Donald Trump. We want him to be the Republican nominee, cause in the general pearls of wisdom like this will be put on full public display:

"The concept of global warming was created by and for the Chinese in order to make U.S. manufacturing non-competitive."

I can't even begin to stress how badly we want Donald Trump to be the Republican nominee.
 
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Scott SoCal said:
VeloCity said:
Scott SoCal said:
Amsterhammer said:
Scott SoCal said:
Annnnnd this is where you progressives get yourself in trouble. Everybody you guys disagree with is a clown, insane, bigot, racist, homophobe, etc. So when you trot out this nonsense everybody with a brain does this; :rolleyes:
If you (and Alpe) seriously think that the Donald is a rational player, we're pretty much done. I am truly stunned. The man is a gifted public speaker and demagogue, no doubt about that. But, the instant that you scratch the surface, there is nothing but pathological, insane bluster. How anyone can see this sexist, racist buffoon as anything other than the coup de grace for any remaining R aspirations for next year, is utterly beyond me.

Wants to deport 11m people.
Wants to build a wall along the whole southern border that he'll force Mexico to pay for.
Wants to massively ramp up the armed forces so that they'll be "so big, so powerful, so awesome" that they'll never be used because the whole world will fear us again - except to surround ISIS and take back their oil.
Will get jobs back from China and Mexico.
Will "make America Great again".

Doesn't have one concrete answer to how any of this would be achieved. Pie in the sky, cliche-ridden, sexist, racist, populist bluster and demagoguery of the most vile and obnoxious kind - and you guys think this is somehow good for the body politic? I am really fcuking speechless.
You're speechless quite often. You have always managed to get over it.

Let's look at my comment again and I'll bold what you missed;

Annnnnd this is where you progressives get yourself in trouble. Everybody you guys disagree with is a clown, insane, bigot, racist, homophobe, etc. So when you trot out this nonsense everybody with a brain does this; :rolleyes:
Maybe if you righties stopped voting for insane, racist, homophobic, bigoted clowns we'd stop calling them for what they are. Can't think of a single one of the current R candidates who doesn't fall into one of those categories, and most of them several (and some - take a bow Mr's Santorum, Cruz, Jindal, Perry, Carson, and Huckabee - virtually all of them).
Thanks for proving my point more effectively than I could ever hope to.
Which one of the current R crowd isn't either a clown, insane, bigoted, racist, or homophobic, or some combination thereof, Scott? Even Carly "marriage is grounded in spirituality" Fiorina has called for a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage (though she has since "changed her mind"), and she's probably the most reasonable one of the bunch.
 
I'm not sure if this was posted before, but here's a rather bleak article on global warming from the Rolling Stone a couple weeks ago.

The Point of No Return: Climate Change Nightmares Are Already Here

On July 20th, James Hansen, the former NASA climatologist who brought climate change to the public's attention in the summer of 1988, issued a bombshell: He and a team of climate scientists had identified a newly important feedback mechanism off the coast of Antarctica that suggests mean sea levels could rise 10 times faster than previously predicted: 10 feet by 2065. The authors included this chilling warning: If emissions aren't cut, "We conclude that multi-meter sea-level rise would become practically unavoidable. Social disruption and economic consequences of such large sea-level rise could be devastating. It is not difficult to imagine that conflicts arising from forced migrations and economic collapse might make the planet ungovernable, threatening the fabric of civilization."

The Hansen study may have gotten more attention, but a study by MIT's Stephanie Dutkiewicz...could have even more dire implications for our future. The rapid changes Dutkiewicz and her colleagues are observing have shocked some of their fellow scientists into thinking that yes, actually, we're heading toward the worst-case scenario. Unlike a prediction of massive sea-level rise just decades away, the warming and acidifying oceans represent a problem that seems to have kick-started a mass extinction on the same time scale. That trend means "the whole food chain is going to be different."
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-point-of-no-return-climate-change-nightmares-are-already-here-20150805
 
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Biden More Competitive Than Clinton Against Leading Republicans: Poll

Source: Bloomberg

Here's one more reason to continue speculating about whether Vice President Joe Biden will enter the presidential race: he polls better nationally against the leading three Republican candidates than Hillary Clinton, and has a higher favorability rating, too.

According to a Quinnipiac University poll released Thursday, if Biden was the democratic candidate, he would beat Donald Trump by eight points (48 - 40 percent), former Florida Governor Jeb Bush by six points (45 - 39) and Senator Marco Rubio by three points (44 - 41). Clinton only beats Trump by four points (45 - 41), Bush by two points (42 - 40) and Rubio by one point (44 - 43).

Read more: http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-08-27/biden-more-competitive-than-clinton-against-leading-republicans-poll

Cheers
If you believe in conspiracy theories, here's another reason to speculate;)

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/08/joe-biden-hillary-clinton-email/402448/

Course, the entire article is pure speculation and given that Biden's associate has donated the full amount he legally can to Hillary's campaign, it's highly unlikely. Still, maybe Joe does know something we don't.
 
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I'm not sure if this was posted before, but here's a rather bleak article on global warming from the Rolling Stone a couple weeks ago.

The Point of No Return: Climate Change Nightmares Are Already Here

On July 20th, James Hansen, the former NASA climatologist who brought climate change to the public's attention in the summer of 1988, issued a bombshell: He and a team of climate scientists had identified a newly important feedback mechanism off the coast of Antarctica that suggests mean sea levels could rise 10 times faster than previously predicted: 10 feet by 2065. The authors included this chilling warning: If emissions aren't cut, "We conclude that multi-meter sea-level rise would become practically unavoidable. Social disruption and economic consequences of such large sea-level rise could be devastating. It is not difficult to imagine that conflicts arising from forced migrations and economic collapse might make the planet ungovernable, threatening the fabric of civilization."

The Hansen study may have gotten more attention, but a study by MIT's Stephanie Dutkiewicz...could have even more dire implications for our future. The rapid changes Dutkiewicz and her colleagues are observing have shocked some of their fellow scientists into thinking that yes, actually, we're heading toward the worst-case scenario. Unlike a prediction of massive sea-level rise just decades away, the warming and acidifying oceans represent a problem that seems to have kick-started a mass extinction on the same time scale. That trend means "the whole food chain is going to be different."
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-point-of-no-return-climate-change-nightmares-are-already-here-20150805
Thing about SLR is that in a warming world it's inevitable. Might happen faster/slower than projected, but it's going to happen. There's room for debate about how regional climates will be affected, how global wind and ocean circulation patterns will be affected, the influence on storms and hurricanes and so forth, but there's no room for debate on SLR, it's a simple fact. That alone is going to cost national economies and the global economy untold trillions, and in some cases there won't be any chance for adaptation. South Florida, for eg:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/come-hell-or-high-water-the-disaster-scenario-that-is-south-florida/article25552300/

"Scientists are starting to suggest that, in the long run, much of South Florida cannot be saved and that policymakers should begin planning for how to best deal with a massive northward exodus in the coming decades, as some of the most iconic real estate on the continent begins to succumb to the sea. “Sooner or later, this city, as you see it right now, won’t be like this,” says Henry Briceño, a water-quality researcher at Florida International University. “Miami and the whole of South Florida is not going to be like this any more. So we have to develop a way to plan and supply services in a changing scenario, and that’s not easy. And then, sooner or later, we’ll have to move. Most of the population will have to move."...Back then, projections estimated that sea levels would rise by about four feet by the end of the coming century. Today, that number is in the low to middle segment of U.S. government projections, which run as high as six feet. “That’s going to eliminate living on all the barrier islands of the world,” he says. “It’s going to inundate major portions of the coastal delta in China, India, the U.S. and elsewhere. That’s where a huge amount of agriculture is.” At six feet of sea-level rise, roughly half of Miami-Dade County will be under water. Given the impact such land loss would have on vital infrastructure, it may well render the area totally uninhabitable. Few places are as geographically ill-equipped to deal with rising water as southern Florida. Not only is much of the land barely a few feet above sea level, it also sits on a bed of porous limestone and sand, making measures such as dikes far less effective. Higher sea levels would eat away at the barrier islands that buffer the coast against powerful storms – which is hugely problematic, given that more powerful storms are one of the hallmarks of climate change. The rising water also threatens to slip inland and contaminate the wells that provide much of the region’s drinking water."

Maybe we should ask Scott and the other con deniers how much they think that will cost the US economy and US taxpayers compared to the cost of mitigation? Personally I'd love for someone to ask Marco Rubio (and the other R candidates of course, but esp the Floridian Rubio) the same question.
 
They won't answer Velo, you know that right? Or you'll get an answer that's basically moving the goal posts from the same answer six month, one year, three years ago. That it's cyclical, and not certain. That it will damage the economy too much without reason. That these are incorrect projects. That these predictions are politically motivated, not scientifically based. It goes on and on.

 
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