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Christie is gov of NJ. Or is he originally from Florida? I'm not sure.

No way on Jeb. No chance. You want to energize the Dem base like never before? That's what a Bush would do.

I think the best pick may be Santorum. But either way, I don't see Obama losing, barring a big October surprise (scandal, big economic drop, etc.) I just don't. The GOP has pushed itself too far to the right, and obstinately, sometimes bitterly, so.
 
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I heard this today ………. Mitts might choose Palin as his VP candidate? ? ? ?

This would be epic! He stands no chance now but add that to the mix and he will lose with an even larger margin. It will make for some awesome campaign coverage! It will be like train wreck reality television. Please Mitts pick Palin as your VP.
 
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Alpe d'Huez said:
That would be awesome!
There's just no way that Romney is that dumb, but otoh, I could see it as a move to try and re-attract female voters. Except that Palin is despised by almost all non-conservative women. But yeah, it would be fun having a replay of the Biden-Palin debates.
 
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Glenn_Wilson said:
I heard this today ………. Mitts might choose Palin as his VP candidate? ? ? ?
You 'heard' this? Where? From whom, a guy at the bar? Just wondering because it would indeed be awesome beyond words...what fun we'd have...but surely, Mitt and his handlers couldn't be that stupid?

Now, Santorum/Palin really would be a dream team!:D
 
Glenn_Wilson said:
I heard this today ………. Mitts might choose Palin as his VP candidate? ? ? ?

This would be epic! He stands no chance now but add that to the mix and he will lose with an even larger margin. It will make for some awesome campaign coverage! It will be like train wreck reality television. Please Mitts pick Palin as your VP.
That would put a dagger in his chances ftw. I don't think he'd be that dumb. Would he?
 
Amsterhammer said:
You 'heard' this? Where? From whom, a guy at the bar? Just wondering because it would indeed be awesome beyond words...what fun we'd have...but surely, Mitt and his handlers couldn't be that stupid?

Now, Santorum/Palin really would be a dream team!:D
By now, by many a guy at the bar. But the fire starter was probably something like this:
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/sarah-palin-today-mitt-romney-afraid-rogue-vp/story?id=16064524
where:
Palin sat down with Matt Lauer for an interview to discuss the Republican presidential race. And the former Alaskan governor—as she's done in previous interviews—hinted that she'd be open to being included on a GOP ticket.
 
on3m@n@rmy said:
That would put a dagger in his chances ftw. I don't think he'd be that dumb. Would he?
No. and hypothetically if he was that dumb, his campaign team and the republican higher ups would play hardball to make sure it didn't happen.

If he is resigned to defeat he could just pick a friend to go out in style with, reward an early supporter, or choose an up and comer in order to be remembered as a launching pad for their success if they do make it.

Sarah Palin is not only the worst pick he could make electorally, she also represents pretty much the exact opposite in all of the above.
 
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....here is an interesting post I received this morning about an issue that should be front row centre in the up coming US election...

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....seems those French surrender monkeys have figured how to stay alive whereas the Americans have figured how to die, and to add insult to death, in a very costly way...way to go America...a beacon for all to aspire to for sure...


"As much as many wanted more from Obamacare, it is still a good start compared to the previous chaotic system that left out millions of Americans. Despite all of the silly right wing talk about "socialism" it should be an embarrassment to any American that the US healthcare system is consistently ranked lower than other industrialized countries. (Being tucked between Costa Rica and Slovenia should be a wakeup call.) The "me first and forget about everyone else" attitude of the Christian right is shameful. Besides being ranked #37 by the WHO for healthcare, the US is last at #19 for preventable deaths in the industrialized world.

Why does the right continue talking so much about being American, when they don't care at all about their fellow Americans? Forget about the name calling and bashing of foreign healthcare systems, because the problem is the US system. Handing over control of the system to the insurance and the pharmaceutical companies is not the answer and it's not clear why the GOP thinks it is. There's enough of a track record to show that the US system is on the rocks and needs reform. Socialism this:


France did best -- with 64.8 deaths deemed preventable by timely and effective health care per 100,000 people, in the study period of 2002 and 2003. Japan had 71.2 and Australia had 71.3 such deaths per 100,000 people. The United States had 109.7 such deaths per 100,000 people, the researchers said.

After the top three, Spain was fourth best, followed in order by Italy, Canada, Norway, the Netherlands, Sweden, Greece, Austria, Germany, Finland, New Zealand, Denmark, Britain, Ireland and Portugal, with the United States last.

The researchers compared these rankings with rankings for the same 19 countries covering the period of 1997 and 1998. France and Japan also were first and second in those rankings, while the United States was 15th, meaning it fell four places."

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blutto
 
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blutto said:
....here is an interesting post I received this morning about an issue that should be front row centre in the up coming US election...

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....seems those French surrender monkeys have figured how to stay alive whereas the Americans have figured how to die, and to add insult to death, in a very costly way...way to go America...a beacon for all to aspire to for sure...


"As much as many wanted more from Obamacare, it is still a good start compared to the previous chaotic system that left out millions of Americans. Despite all of the silly right wing talk about "socialism" it should be an embarrassment to any American that the US healthcare system is consistently ranked lower than other industrialized countries. (Being tucked between Costa Rica and Slovenia should be a wakeup call.) The "me first and forget about everyone else" attitude of the Christian right is shameful. Besides being ranked #37 by the WHO for healthcare, the US is last at #19 for preventable deaths in the industrialized world.

Why does the right continue talking so much about being American, when they don't care at all about their fellow Americans? Forget about the name calling and bashing of foreign healthcare systems, because the problem is the US system. Handing over control of the system to the insurance and the pharmaceutical companies is not the answer and it's not clear why the GOP thinks it is. There's enough of a track record to show that the US system is on the rocks and needs reform. Socialism this:


France did best -- with 64.8 deaths deemed preventable by timely and effective health care per 100,000 people, in the study period of 2002 and 2003. Japan had 71.2 and Australia had 71.3 such deaths per 100,000 people. The United States had 109.7 such deaths per 100,000 people, the researchers said.

After the top three, Spain was fourth best, followed in order by Italy, Canada, Norway, the Netherlands, Sweden, Greece, Austria, Germany, Finland, New Zealand, Denmark, Britain, Ireland and Portugal, with the United States last.

The researchers compared these rankings with rankings for the same 19 countries covering the period of 1997 and 1998. France and Japan also were first and second in those rankings, while the United States was 15th, meaning it fell four places."

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Cheers

blutto
Yep, it's pretty much us, most of the Third World, and China that have managed to avoid the death panels.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Universal_health_care.svg

And I still don't understand how a mandate that people buy insurance from private insurance companies can be "socialism" or a "government takeover" of health care. Ironic, too, that the right don't seem to realize that they're shooting themselves in the foot - if the ACA goes down, then a universal, single-payer system is the only real alternative for providing full coverage, covering those with pre-existing conditions, and keeping costs reasonable. No system based on a for-profit market is ever going to do that.

But to the right, maintaining the integrity of the market is more important than anything else, for purely ideological reasons. Otherwise, they'd have to admit that maybe government does some things better than private business, and that just isn't acceptable. Even if it's true.
 
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Amsterhammer said:
You 'heard' this? Where? From whom, a guy at the bar? Just wondering because it would indeed be awesome beyond words...what fun we'd have...but surely, Mitt and his handlers couldn't be that stupid?

Now, Santorum/Palin really would be a dream team!:D
I heard it on a rightwing radio talk show. Not foxnews or nothing like that. Surprisingly it was not a bar! :eek:
 
blutto said:
Why does the right continue talking so much about being American, when they don't care at all about their fellow Americans? Forget about the name calling and bashing of foreign healthcare systems, because the problem is the US system.
VeloCity said:
But to the right, maintaining the integrity of the market is more important than anything else, for purely ideological reasons. Otherwise, they'd have to admit that maybe government does some things better than private business, and that just isn't acceptable. Even if it's true.
This.

For those not old enough to remember, it goes back to Ronald Reagan (God, in name, to many conservatives) who stated "Government is not the solution to our problem, government is the problem." Link here.

This is the root of what you write about. It's spun so you think if you had your own money and didn't pay taxes you'd be able to afford your own health care, education, retirement, everything else, because the government is wasteful and inefficient on every single level, and it's not their money, it's yours. (Ignore the fact the conservatives have no issue spending an insane amount of money on things like defense)
 
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Alpe d'Huez said:
This.

For those not old enough to remember, it goes back to Ronald Reagan (God, in name, to many conservatives) who stated "Government is not the solution to our problem, government is the problem." Link here.
The biggest myth in American politics is that conservatives believe in small government, the exception being when it comes to business. On social and national security issues especially, they love - and look to - big, intrusive government.

Good article about the "Reagan recovery" here btw:

http://www.businessinsider.com/reagan-recovery-was-all-about-big-government-spending-2012-4

Which president’s economic recovery benefited most from an increasing number of government jobs? Oddly enough, it was President Ronald Reagan, who successfully ran for re-election in 1984 by proclaiming it was “morning in America.” Reagan, running in a year when unemployment fell over a percentage point to 7.5 percent, is generally (and incorrectly) remembered as the first conservative president to dramatically shrink the size and role of government.
 
I would agree with that Business Insider article.

I'm old enough to remember Reagan. I was in college when he was President. The Reagan I remember isn't this caricature that so many conservatives of today paint, like I noted, the "government is the problem" core. Anyone with a brain can look back and see that Reagan didn't actually govern that way in entirety. He did cut the government in some ways, and grew it in others (as the article noted), and he cut taxes in some ways, and raised them in others. The GOP of today would have you believe he was trying to eliminate the inherently evil government, and never raised a penny of taxes. But the real Reagan would be much further to the left than anyone in the GOP leadership today.

Today's GOP, lead by the Ryan plan, which is really the Republican plan as all Republicans signed on to it, and Romney said he supports it, so we'll call it that, the Republican plan, isn't a fiscal responsible plan at all, though they'll tell you it is. Any objective group who has looked into it will tell you it will create large deficits. It will also further stratify the classes between the most wealthy, and everyone else. And the people who will be hurt the most are the elderly, poor and infirm - people least able to defend themselves form rogues like these Republicans.

Believe me, I have plenty critical things to say about the Democrats, mostly around so many being pathetic and without a spine, but it's almost hard to believe that people who say they yearn for a leader like Reagan, could be so blind or foolish to now stand behind the Republican plan.
 
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Alpe d'Huez said:
Meanwhile, what may come to be a talking point during the campaign, the Chevy Volt is back to life. After announcing a suspension in production and layoffs less than a month ago, Chevy is now selling them faster than ever before, doubling the sales of just a month ago.

Here's a Seattle Times op piece calling it "The Car The Right Wing Can't Kill".
If the Volt really was as flawed as the righties claimed, that would be one thing, but it wasn't - they just made that **** up, lied about it, and the lies got repeated through the echo chamber. It's "death panels" all over again.

It's an American-made car that would help reduce our dependence on oil - you'd think most Americans would consider that to be a very good thing. And yet the right-wing loons absolutely hate it. Makes no sense whatsoever.
 

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