U23 races and talents

[yaco]

Groves wins the stage one of Ronde de L'Lsard from Covi and Colnaghi - Imagine Mitchelton Scott will look closely at this rider.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

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Andreas Leknessund joining Sunweb in 2021. Great prospect for Sunweb, considering they also have Marc Hirschi, Oomen and Storer as young climbers.
https://teamsunweb.com/welcome-andreas/

He seems to be more of a timetrialer than a real climber. Nearly all his (near) wins are ITT's the past few years.

He's also riding L'Isard. I'll also be looking for Arensman and Van Wilder, personally.

Best riders of the 2018 edition that are still riding this years Ronde de L'Isard are:
Mertens (3rd, 1997)
Vereecken (6th, 1997)
Leknessund (7th, 1999)
Champoussin (9th, 1998)
Antunes (11th, 1997)

https://www.facebook.com/RondeIsard/

 

[WKA311]

Just to add to your names, i'll be interesting how good Bagioli and Covi are climbing already considering they are building towards the Giro and Aosta. Verschaeve is another interesting Lotto guy, he beat Lambrechts time up the Ballon d'Alsace in the annual Lotto test by 30s. Alexander Evans was one of the best young climbers in Australia, though he hasn't had any results in Europe yet.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

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Just to add to your names, i'll be interesting how good Bagioli and Covi are climbing already considering they are building towards the Giro and Aosta. Verschaeve is another interesting Lotto guy, he beat Lambrechts time up the Ballon d'Alsace in the annual Lotto test by 30s. Alexander Evans was one of the best young climbers in Australia, though he hasn't had any results in Europe yet.

He (Bagioli) won the second stage, Leknessund 2nd.

Van Wilder (personal interest of mine, first year U23) finished very strong, only 14 seconds down.

Standings: https://firstcycling.com/race.php?r=241&y=2019

 

[yaco]

Evans is very much a climber and not much else - Though he is in a good development team - I'll reserve my judgement.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

Yesterday's finish: https://www.facebook.com/RondeIsard/videos/850043275359141

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

Today again Bagioli first, Leknesund 2nd.

Champoussin 3rd. Van Wilder 7th.

Arensman 4m30s down. Expected better from last years runner up at L'Avenir.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

Nothing changed for the top 8 in Ronde de l'Isard on the fourth and final stage. Very young top 7 with 4 guys from 1999 and one guy from 2000.

01 - Andrea Bagioli 1999 Italy Team Colpack 15:24:29
02 - Andreas Leknessund 1999 Norway Uno-X Norwegian DT + 15
03 - Clément Champoussin 1998 France Chambéry Cyclisme Formation + 58
04 - Matteo Jorgenson 1999 USA Chambéry Cyclisme Formation + 01:53
05 - Théo Nonnez 1999 France Continental Groupama-FDJ + 01:58
06 - Ide Schelling 1998 Netherlands SEG Racing Academy + 01:59
07 - Ilan Van Wilder 2000 Belgium Lotto - Soudal U23 + 02:05
08 - Viktor Verschaeve 1998 Belgium Lotto - Soudal U23 + 02:11
09 - Fabien Rondeau 1997 France CR4C Roanne + 03:41
10 - Clément Lalba 1997 France Nouvelle-Aquitaine + 03:41

 

[DNP-Old]

Marco Brenner is the next Eddy Merckx.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

TTT in Orlen nations cup, won by a relatively large margin by France, ahead of Denmark and Belgium.

https://firstcycling.com/race.php?r=10674&y=2019

 

[Beobachter]

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Marco Brenner is the next Eddy Merckx.

The guy is a rare jewel for sure but so far he's just a first-year junior
He's not yet in the U23 ranks, so he might be a little bit early to compare him to Merckx
(But it's probably not too early to say he's the new Remco though )

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

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Marco Brenner is the next Eddy Merckx.

The guy is a rare jewel for sure but so far he's just a first-year junior
He's not yet in the U23 ranks, so he might be a little bit early to compare him to Merckx
(But it's probably not too early to say he's the new Remco though )

What made Remco a special case, was not really the amount of victories, but the way he won them. Leaving the peloton for dead halfway a hard stage and finishing with 5 to 10 minutes ahead, solo. Brenner is making an impression now especially because he's only a first year junior. Who know what he can do as a 2nd year junior. And who knows how any of these guys end up as 6 years down the road. Maybe we won't hear anything of them by then Doesn't mean we can't enjoy what they're doing now and have some fun comparing them to legends.

PS: this junior topic has been revived: viewtopic.php?f=6&t=19513

 

[Mayomaniac]

Junior riders are so hard to compare, some already train like pros.
There's also the fact that some people stop growing earlier and fill their frame out earlier.
I've often seen that rather short and stocky guys stop growing at an earlier age and mature pretty fast, from a physical standpoint.
Remco with his football background probably also had a decent S & C program starting at a young age, so it was probably a combination of having a really great engine and those factors.

 

[WKA311]

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TTT in Orlen nations cup, won by a relatively large margin by France, ahead of Denmark and Belgium.

https://firstcycling.com/race.php?r=10674&y=2019

Was a climbing TT with max gradients of 20%+ btw. which explains Frace beating Denmark.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

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TTT in Orlen nations cup, won by a relatively large margin by France, ahead of Denmark and Belgium.

https://firstcycling.com/race.php?r=10674&y=2019

Was a climbing TT with max gradients of 20%+ btw. which explains Frace beating Denmark.

I was aware it was a climbing TTT but didn't know it had over 20% sections.

Tomorrow a lot of climbing as well.

 

[RedheadDane]

That Sciana Bukovina climb looks steep!

 

[Max Rockatansky]

Re: Re:

What made Remco a special case, was not really the amount of victories, but the way he won them. Leaving the peloton for dead halfway a hard stage and finishing with 5 to 10 minutes ahead, solo. Brenner is making an impression now especially because he's only a first year junior. Who know what he can do as a 2nd year junior. And who knows how any of these guys end up as 6 years down the road. Maybe we won't hear anything of them by then Doesn't mean we can't enjoy what they're doing now and have some fun comparing them to legends.

PS: this junior topic has been revived: viewtopic.php?f=6&t=19513

When you look at the career of Miguel Morras Mangado, you know that dominating the junior ranks basically means nothing.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

Second (and last) stage in Orlen:

01 Andreas Kron 1998 Denmark 02:59:27 02 2 + 09
02 Ethan Hayter 1998 Great Britain + 12 08 9 + 01:10
03 Ilan Van Wilder 2000 Belgium + 12 03 5 + 26
04 Daniel Savini 1997 Italy + 12 07 8 + 49
05 Mauri Vansevenant 1999 Belgium + 12 04 5 + 26
06 Unai Cuadrado Ruiz de Gauna 1997 Spain + 12 05 5 + 27
07 [Leader jersey] Nicolas Prodhomme 1997 France + 15 01 1 03:39:59
08 Gijs Leemreize 1999 Netherlands + 17 16 32 + 02:50
09 Clément Champoussin 1998 France + 45 06 5 + 30
10 Danny Van der Tuuk 1999 Netherlands + 45 12 12 + 01:53

I thought Champoussin would have this in the bag after the TTT, but it's Prodhomme that takes the overall. Strong ride by Van Wilder (youngest rider in the top, first year U23).

Overall:

 

[janraaskalt]

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I thought Champoussin would have this in the bag after the TTT, but it's Prodhomme that takes the overall.

Mechanical in the last 10 kms for Champoussin that took a bit long by the neutral service put him out of contention.

 

[Max Rockatansky]

Thomas Pidcock just won U23 Paris-Roubaix after riding away with 20 kilometers to go.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

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I thought Champoussin would have this in the bag after the TTT, but it's Prodhomme that takes the overall.

Mechanical in the last 10 kms for Champoussin that took a bit long by the neutral service put him out of contention.

Thanks, that makes sense.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

Thomas Pidcock just won U23 Paris-Roubaix after riding away with 20 kilometers to go.

It was a shorter edition with less cobbled sections this year.

Top 20 (still no time differences)

01 Thomas Pidcock 1999 Great Britain Team Wiggins-Le Col
02 Johan Jacobs 1997 Switzerland Lotto - Soudal U23
03 Jens Reynders 1998 Belgium Wallonie-Bruxelles Devo
04 Ward Vanhoof 1999 Belgium Lotto - Soudal U23
05 Andre Carvalho 1997 Portugal Hagens Berman - Axeon
06 Brent Van Moer 1998 Belgium Lotto - Soudal U23
07 Simon Verger 1998 France Chambéry Cyclisme Formation
08 Jake Stewart 1999 Great Britain Continental Groupama-FDJ
09 Ziga Jerman 1998 Slovenia Continental Groupama-FDJ
10 Jonas Iversby Hvideberg 1999 Norway Uno-X Norwegian DT
11 Daan Hoole 1999 Netherlands SEG Racing Academy
12 Torjus Sleen 1997 Norway Uno-X Norwegian DT
13 Clément Davy 1998 France Continental Groupama-FDJ
14 James Fouche 1998 New Zealand Team Wiggins-Le Col
15 Enzo Bernard 1997 France Vendée U
16 Antoine Benoist 1999 France Team U Nantes Atlantique
17 Matthew Walls 1998 Great Britain Great Britain
18 Jordi Meeus 1998 Belgium SEG Racing Academy
19 Nicolas Debeaumarché 1998 France SCO Dijon-Team Material-velo.com
20 Lothar Verhulst 1998 Belgium EFC-L&R-Vulsteke

 

[Max Rockatansky]

Andre Carvalho 5th in LBL U23 & PR U23. Interesting young rider.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

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For those who want to see the integral broadcast of the first two stages of the Orlen Nations Cup, you can watch them here:

1st stage TTT:
http://www.sport.tvp.pl/42766086/kolarstwo-orlen-wyscig-narodow-bukowina-tatrzanska-jazda-druzynowa-na-czas

2nd stage:
http://www.sport.tvp.pl/42816499/orlen-wyscig-narodow-bukowina-tatrzanska-wyscig-ze-startu-wspolnego

Mechanical in the last 10 kms for Champoussin that took a bit long by the neutral service put him out of contention.

Yes, you can see it in the video. The exact moment is at 6.8km from the finish. He loses roughly 50 seconds, a bit more if you count "get going" again. Strong attack from Kron. I actually think the Dutch Gijs Leemreize cost Kron the overall. Leemreize tried to counterattack in the last kilometer, and by doing so, brought the bunch closer to Kron. Without that, i think Kron might have had enough to take the overall (he had a big gap going into the final km).

Also just noticed Karel Vacek was riding here. Expected more from him tbh. As a more pure climber, i would have expected him to be able to follow Van Wilder's group on such a course (both are from 2000).

Andre Carvalho 5th in LBL U23 & PR U23. Interesting young rider.

Is there a specific reason you mention him? I personally don't know him, and he is one of the oldest there, so he's literally competing with kids 1-3 years younger (born the same day as Sosa btw). But i don't know his history.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

This week it's Course de la Paix U23, starting thursday 6th.

Previous winners: Pogacar, Lambrecht, Gaudu.

Of the first year espoirs (born 2000) it's likely to be guys like Vacek and Van Wilder that will show themselves.
For the overall win, i'm guessing guys like Champoussin, Almeida, Foss and Leknessund will be in the mix.

A short prologue of 2km:

Followed by three hilly/mountain stages: