U23 WC Jerseys

[Vonn Brinkman]

I have been wondering:
when do the world champions of the U-23 men category (for both road and ITT) get to wear their jerseys?
Because Matthews and Phinney won't wear their jerseys at Rabobank and BMC next year in races right? Or will they do so at races like Le Tour de L'Avenir? But they won't race there will they?
Could anyone please enlighten me?

 

[Michele]

It depends who's gonna win it; in past I remember some young guys winning who would stay in the U23 ranks even the year later, but usually it's guys who have already signed a pro contract, or even worse thanks to the new UCI rule, guys who are already pro (see Matthews).

 

[BrindSurch]

from what i understand they can wear the WC jerseys whilst they are still an under 23. Meaning if they turn pro or are a last year under 23 they can't wear it the following year.

I guess this from Alex Dowsett wearing the GB TT champs kit this year. That may also be the reason he did not do it this year as he will be pro next year.

 

[ak-zaaf]

It's just broken.

The race was invented in a time where you had to be a 30+ Italian to win anything big.
Now a pro like Gallopin or Keukeleire (who would have won ;p) from cofidis can participate, but a hypothetical 18 year old from Euskaltel can't.

The Amateur worlds need to come back.
Juniores, Amateurs and Pro's. Nothing wrong with that.

 

[janraaskalt]

They can wear it in races which belong to the category in which they are world champion. In case of Phinney and Matthews this probably means "never". However, if they would be eligable for selection for the Tour de l'Avenir---they aren't because only PCT and CT pros can ride together with the u23's---they would be able to wear the jerseys there. That is, Phinney in time trials and Matthews in the other stages.

 

[michaeld]

from what i understand they can wear the WC jerseys whilst they are still an under 23. Meaning if they turn pro or are a last year under 23 they can't wear it the following year.

No. U23 WC can only wear the jersey in a U23 event. Any other elite events, not allowed.

 

[**Uru**]

Of course, they can wear them at home or out in clubs whenever they want.

 

[Michele]

It's just broken.

The race was invented in a time where you had to be a 30+ Italian to win anything big.
Now a pro like Gallopin or Keukeleire (who would have won ;p) from cofidis can participate, but a hypothetical 18 year old from Euskaltel can't.

The Amateur worlds need to come back.
Juniores, Amateurs and Pro's. Nothing wrong with that.

Werent the russian the one dominating the category as they didnt have a true pro rank?

 

[ak-zaaf]

Werent the russian the one dominating the category as they didnt have a true pro rank?

It's not that bad. USSR took it only 3 times, DDR couple times more.
Loads of wins for Italy there, so nothing unusual. Plus the whole commie amateur thing is gone now.

 

[abbaskip]

It's just broken.

The race was invented in a time where you had to be a 30+ Italian to win anything big.
Now a pro like Gallopin or Keukeleire (who would have won ;p) from cofidis can participate, but a hypothetical 18 year old from Euskaltel can't.

The Amateur worlds need to come back.
Juniores, Amateurs and Pro's. Nothing wrong with that.

That's a silly idea. These days, all of the top cyclists become professional, and often very early on.

I'd suggest going the other way, and having U19, U23 (or even U21), and Seniors.

In cycling, riders often peak later than most sports. (Hence the white jersey in the major tours etc is U25)...So U23 is fine in my eyes. Or U21. On the road, these guys will basically be never competitive with the seniors until theyre atleast 24+ anyway. Look at Goss and EBH. EBH is 23, and we saw, in a tough race, that came down to a sprint (and apparently he and Goss are those type of sprinters that can last a tough race) EBH and Goss had little impact.

As I said, if we found that this led to too much overlap (guys going up to seniors, when they were still U23) you could make it U21.

And throw it open to anyone. Having these stupid rules about teams just makes things confusing for the average fan, and unfair.

 

[auscyclefan94]

I think if the winners of the U23 have got a pro contract the year after they have won it, for the following year they should be allowed to have the rainbow bands juts around the upper arms of their jersey. But that privledge only lasts for that year. It at least gives them the privledge to be noticed as a world champion, even if it is only in the U23.

 

[L'arriviste]

I think if the winners of the U23 have got a pro contract the year after they have won it, for the following year they should be allowed to have the rainbow bands juts around the upper arms of their jersey. But that privledge only lasts for that year. It at least gives them the privledge to be noticed as a world champion, even if it is only in the U23.

Need to differentiate a bit from the older guys. Maybe...

Props to Cadel by the way. I thought he was going to do a Bugno at one point!

 

[auscyclefan94]

Need to differentiate a bit from the older guys. Maybe...

Props to Cadel by the way. I thought he was going to do a Bugno at one point!

When he was in front with Martens and only 10 seconds away, I thought he was going to back to back and he was right in front of me when he was bridging. I was wetting myself.

Anyway, I do agree. Differentiate the rainbow would be an idea.

 

[Timmy-loves-Rabo]

When he was in front with Martens and only 10 seconds away, I thought he was going to back to back and he was right in front of me when he was bridging. I was wetting myself.

Anyway, I do agree. Differentiate the rainbow would be an idea.

yeah but if it had come to a 3 way sprint with gilbert, martens and evans... cuddles is still the slowest sprinter of the 3. That being said, the crowd might have got him over the line.

 

[hrotha]

The problem is right now the line between pro and amateur is incredibly blurred. I don't consider Matthews to be a pro yet, although technically I guess he is. It was kind of ridiculous to see Gallopin attacking left and right because he was stronger as he had just done the Vuelta (the Vuelta!). Excluding just Pro Tour riders doesn't make any sense, so either make it a true under 23 event or exclude Pro Conti riders too.

 

[theyoungest]

The problem is right now the line between pro and amateur is incredibly blurred. I don't consider Matthews to be a pro yet, although technically I guess he is. It was kind of ridiculous to see Gallopin attacking left and right because he was stronger as he had just done the Vuelta (the Vuelta!). Excluding just Pro Tour riders doesn't make any sense, so either make it a true under 23 event or exclude Pro Conti riders too.

I think Sep Vanmarcke politely declined to ride the U23 Worlds, because he's already a pro (more or less). Someone like Gallopin should have had the decency to do so as well. I mean, you're allowed to participate, but where's the challenge, when you're riding on Vuelta form against kids with the Tour de l'Avenir in their legs? What a satisfying win it would have been... I wouldn't have a problem with--for instance--Thibault Pinot participating, on the other hand. Or even Vanmarcke himself. They don't have a GT in their legs.

 

[auscyclefan94]

yeah but if it had come to a 3 way sprint with gilbert, martens and evans... cuddles is still the slowest sprinter of the 3. That being said, the crowd might have got him over the line.

Gilbert maybe but martens?

I still tink the uci should let the u23 wear some sort of rainbow around their jerseys in elite men races

 

[hrotha]

Gilbert maybe but martens?

I still tink the uci should let the u23 wear some sort of rainbow around their jerseys in elite men races

Martens is pretty fast, definitely faster than Evans. For starters, he was 4th in Paris-Bruxelles recently.

 

[Anonymous]

Phinney will just sport his white Oakley's with rainbow stripes.

 

[Bromers]

Of course, they can wear them at home or out in clubs whenever they want.

True, very true

 

[auscyclefan94]

Martens is pretty fast, definitely faster than Evans. For starters, he was 4th in Paris-Bruxelles recently.

He would of beaten him in the Gp Wallonie in the sprint if he didn't get shoved into the barriers by another rabobank rider!

 

[theyoungest]

He would of beaten him in the Gp Wallonie in the sprint if he didn't get shoved into the barriers by another rabobank rider!

Martens nearly beat Tom Boonen in a mass sprint in Tirreno. BTW, it was Martens himself who closed the door on Cadel, but frankly I think Martens is faster anyway.

 

[Timmy-loves-Rabo]

Martens nearly beat Tom Boonen in a mass sprint in Tirreno. BTW, it was Martens himself who closed the door on Cadel, but frankly I think Martens is faster anyway.

He was poorly positioned at Tirreno too, he was very quick there.

I doubt evans would have bested martens.