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Van Avermaet going down?

Jun 16, 2009
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If injections are illegal I can't inagine why a certain team principal was having them at the giro in 2011.
 
Nov 29, 2010
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To clarify, apparently the substance was not illegal but he broke the no-needle policy.

Still in rumours stage, nothing official yet.
 
May 12, 2010
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deValtos said:
To clarify, apparently the substance was not illegal but he broke the no-needle policy.

Still in rumours stage, nothing official yet.
Well, rumour, he has been charged, that's hardly a rumour. He hasn't been convicted yet of course, I wonder how they're going to prove he actually broke the no-needle policy, that could be hard.

I don't think it has been reported before here, but two cyclocross riders have been charged as well with breaking the no-needle policy, Tom Meeusen and Laurens Sweeck. Not for ozone-therapy, but using a transfusion containing nutrition/medicine for sick babies (vaminolact), apparently for recuperation. The product itself isn't banned, but the method of using it is (transfusion). Sweeck claims he did buy the product, but drank it diluted with fruit juice. But according to experts, using the quantity he claims to have taken would be as useful as drinking a glass of milk. Maybe the most bizarre thing of this case is that when he bought this medicine for sick babies, he was 17 years old...what a bizarre world cycling can be.

Meeusen has a harder time denying the used the product properly. In 2012 in his camper at a cross a transfusion kit containing this product was found after an anonymous tip. It's hard to imagine he won't hang for this, for the other riders it will be interesting to see if they can prove whether they actually injected anything.
 
Mar 15, 2013
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Van Avermaet has to appear before Belgian cycling's anti doping committee on March the 13th. He's accused of using Vaminolact, which is essentially injectable baby food. Not a banned substance, but injecting that stuff would obviously fall foul of the UCI's no needle policy.Weirdly, het Nieuwsblad mentions that his alleged use of Vaminolact took place before 2011. Which means that it would predate the no needles policy anyway.

I don't see how the anti doping authorities can think they have a case here, unless some of the reporting turns out to be inaccurate or incomplete.
 
Sep 14, 2011
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If Greg was doping he would have a sheadload of big race wins to his name instead of the constant stream of top ten but not quite good enough placings. Let's hope he is cleared asap.
 
May 12, 2010
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Bernie's eyesore said:
If Greg was doping he would have a sheadload of big race wins to his name instead of the constant stream of top ten but not quite good enough placings. Let's hope he is cleared asap.
Who's to say that Van Avermaet wouldn't be a decent domestique if clean, and the only reason he has so many good placings is because he is doping?
 
Sep 14, 2011
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Lanark said:
Who's to say that Van Avermaet wouldn't be a decent domestique if clean, and the only reason he has so many good placings is because he is doping?
Well, all I can say is that if Greg is clean then it doesn't say much for the guys beating him all the time. You know, the likes of Sagan, Cancellara, Boonen and Gilbert.
 
Bernie's eyesore said:
If Greg was doping he would have a sheadload of big race wins to his name instead of the constant stream of top ten but not quite good enough placings. Let's hope he is cleared asap.
Steve Houanard is a doper.

Alejandro Valverde is a doper.

One of them was doping to win a broad range of major Classics and stage races including Grand Tours. One of them was doping to keep a hold of a WT base level domestique job.

There are people at the top doping who you probably need a full program to beat. There are people at the bottom doping for contracts who you probably don't need a full program to beat. And there are dopers who are performing at every level in between.
 
Aug 31, 2012
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Bernie's eyesore said:
If Greg was doping he would have a sheadload of big race wins to his name instead of the constant stream of top ten but not quite good enough placings.
Seems like you really want to think of him as clean, because this doesn't follow at all
 
GVA was ridiculous last year imo ... nearly won Omloop, strongest guy in the Ronde van Vlaanderen, almost won a mountain stage in the Tour and he kept it up until the Worlds
Don't think it was because of injected babyfood though
 
May 19, 2010
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Gung Ho Gun said:
GVA was ridiculous last year imo ... nearly won Omloop, strongest guy in the Ronde van Vlaanderen, almost won a mountain stage in the Tour and he kept it up until the Worlds
Don't think it was because of injected babyfood though
The babyfood was 2011 or even before that. Would think he was on solids last year.
 
Mar 13, 2009
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neineinei said:
The babyfood was 2011 or even before that. Would think he was on solids last year.
lol

graduated to calve's milk. colostrum.

next step is acto acto acto-wut? actovegin
 
Oct 4, 2011
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Bernie's eyesore said:
Well, all I can say is that if Greg is clean then it doesn't say much for the guys beating him all the time. You know, the likes of Sagan, Cancellara, Boonen and Gilbert.
I don't see the logic....that just means he isn't quite good enough even on dope. Where has the needle accusation come from ?

If he got an injection you can be sure it wasn't vitamins and you can be sure he had an excuse made up. No one is going to risk an injection for a legal product. No one forgets about it and especially not for something that wont add some spice to performance !
 
El_ojo_del_Tigre said:
Van Avermaet has to appear before Belgian cycling's anti doping committee on March the 13th. He's accused of using Vaminolact, which is essentially injectable baby food. Not a banned substance, but injecting that stuff would obviously fall foul of the UCI's no needle policy.Weirdly, het Nieuwsblad mentions that his alleged use of Vaminolact took place before 2011. Which means that it would predate the no needles policy anyway.

I don't see how the anti doping authorities can think they have a case here, unless some of the reporting turns out to be inaccurate or incomplete.
Yeah. Mertens is also under investigation for assisting athletes in doping - the real reason pros who don't live close by would want to pay him a visit. He was already known as a doping doc in Belgium, regardless. No chance that Van Avermaet wasn't aware of that, IMO.

I'm guessing they actually don't think they have much of a case against GVA, though, but of course you can always resort to a b!tch move and smear an uncaught doper's name in the media, just before his first important race of the season.
 
Apr 13, 2011
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Lanark said:
but using a transfusion containing nutrition/medicine for sick babies (vaminolact), apparently for recupperation.
No needle...OK, maybe.

But do people know exactly what vaminolact is? Sounds really pharmaceutical doesn't it?

It isn't, it is basically the same stuff you get by taking a scoop of protein powder. It is a complete amino acid/protein. Seems stupid to be taking it via a needly anyway. Just take a few scoops of quality protein powder a day, same effect.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&ved=0CCYQFjAB&url=http://www.old.health.gov.il/units/pharmacy/trufot/alonim/4351.pdf&ei=1aD1VOWfC4nksATzjICwAQ&usg=AFQjCNGuE34_Tg0NOczOxhqQ1q77Vvs9ZA&sig2=4r4fNsROadMB0fLypWCudQ&bvm=bv.87269000,d.cWc&cad=rja

It does have higher taurine, nothing you can't get in an energy drink.
 

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