Velo d’Or 2023

[topcat]

We are the Famous Five.
If MVDP wins the WRR, he’s in the running.
If Vingo podiums the Vuelta, he has a chance.
If Roglic wins the Vuelta, chance would be a fine thing.
Pog would have to win Lombardia (which is probably a banker)
Remco would have to win the WRR and the Vuelta.

 

[Netserk]

Too early to tell.

As it stands, Vingegaard.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

Vingo is in pole position for the moment imho. He was also dominant in 1 week stage races.
Can't see Pog win it, he only won RVV so far that puts you on the map.
Can't see MvdP win it, even if he wins WCC. When was the last time a non GT winner won it?
Roglic would need the Vuelta at least.
Evenepoel needs the Vuelta + either Lombardia or WCC or even both.

 

[Eddy Evenepoel]

When was the last time a non GT winner won it?

2019 Alaphilippe
2018 Valverde
2016 Sagan
2011 Gilbert
2010 Cancellara
2006 Bettini
2005 Boonen

 

[Red Rick]

If the season ended today, Pogacar would 100% get it.

When it gets close it becomes a dumb popularity prize, and Vingegaard isn't popular.

 

[rallybanana]

Can't see MvdP win it, even if he wins WCC. When was the last time a non GT winner won it?

Winning worlds road race and 2 monuments in a single season is a very rare feat. Bigger feat than a GT + Vuelta double in my opinion. Last time it was done was Boonen in 2005 and he won the Velo d'Or.

 

[Billie]

Isn't there a big 6? Only 5 options

 

[RedheadDane]

Are these names that have been officially nominated?
Or just topcat nominated?

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

2019 Alaphilippe
2018 Valverde
2016 Sagan
2011 Gilbert
2010 Cancellara
2006 Bettini
2005 Boonen

Yes, but that was during Sky years

God damn, looking back, Valverde winning in 2018 must have been something like a career-award. The only top level race he won was the WCC.

 

[BigCoward]

None of them have a super strong chance of achieving that which would push them over the line.
Pog probably most likely with Lombardy, not sure 2 monuments outweighs any of the big 3 winning vuelta, it seems likely that one of them does.

 

[KZD]

If the season ended today, Pogacar would 100% get it.

When it gets close it becomes a dumb popularity prize, and Vingegaard isn't popular.

I disagree. Pogačar won 16 races last year, including Lombardia and was second in the Tour just like this year and was well behind Van Aert which almost beat Remco (the worthy winner imo) btw.

I think if Vingegård wins the Vuelta, he should absolutely get it, but if he doesn't and Van der Poel wins the Worlds, he should get the award as he also won two monuments, got second in another and also won CX Worlds. Roglič has a strong case if he wins the Vuelta but not racing the Tour and the Worlds doesn't do him any favours. Pogačar might still get it if he wins Lombardia and Remco would at least need to double up at the Worlds and podium the Vuelta or winning the Vuelta and the Worlds TT.

 

[topcat]

Are these names that have been officially nominated?
Or just topcat nominated?

Officially nominated by Topcat, whoever that is.

 

[Wyndbrook]

Would be much simpler to just say Vollering.

 

[RedheadDane]

Would be much simpler to just say Vollering.

She's probably gonna win the women's award.

 

[Wyndbrook]

She's probably gonna win the women's award.

I would remove the word probably, she's gonna win.

 

[RedheadDane]

I would remove the word probably, she's gonna win.

The probability is at around 110%.

 

[Red Rick]

I disagree. Pogačar won 16 races last year, including Lombardia and was second in the Tour just like this year and was well behind Van Aert which almost beat Remco (the worthy winner imo) btw.

I think if Vingegård wins the Vuelta, he should absolutely get it, but if he doesn't and Van der Poel wins the Worlds, he should get the award as he also won two monuments, got second in another and also won CX Worlds. Roglič has a strong case if he wins the Vuelta but not racing the Tour and the Worlds doesn't do him any favours. Pogačar might still get it if he wins Lombardia and Remco would at least need to double up at the Worlds and podium the Vuelta or winning the Vuelta and the Worlds TT.

Van Aert beating Pog last year kinda proves the point innit?

I think Pog winning Vlaanderen will weigh much more heavily than Lombardia, and I also think Vingegaard winning a bunch in the early season will get easily forgotten.

 

[Carrick-On-Seine]

Isn't there a big 6? Only 5 options

I don't think Jasper Philipsen has much of a chance.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

Isn't there a big 6? Only 5 options

That depends. Is Christophe Laporte - esteemed winner of Gent Wevelgem, in the jury?

 

[Devil's Elbow]

Yes, but that was during Sky years

God damn, looking back, Valverde winning in 2018 must have been something like a career-award. The only top level race he won was the WCC.

To be fair to Valverde, nobody won two of the big 9 races in 2018 and the other 8 didn’t have phenomenal results in the second-tier races either, that was a year without an obvious winner.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

To be fair to Valverde, nobody won two of the big 9 races in 2018 and the other 8 didn’t have phenomenal results in the second-tier races either, that was a year without an obvious winner.

Yes, but like in 2019 etc, the Tour wasn't won by a rider that had dominant results throughout the season. Which is the case this year. So i don't think a classics rider is going to take it. I also can't see Pogacar take it as things stand.

 

[Devil's Elbow]

Yes, but like in 2019 etc, the Tour wasn't won by a rider that had dominant results throughout the season. Which is the case this year. So i don't think a classics rider is going to take it. I also can't see Pogacar take it as things stand.

In 2019, Bernal won the Tour, Suisse and Paris-Nice, and that was pretty much it. In 2023, Vingegaard has won the Tour, the Dauphiné and Itzulia, and that is also pretty much it so far. Yes, Vingegaard's Tour win was more empathic, but then again Van der Poel has probably already had a better season than Alaphilippe did in 2019 to win it so that would suggest a world title would definitely swing it his way (provided Vingegaard doesn't win the Vuelta).

 

[Riek s]

I assume if Ving or Rog (chances are high) wins the Vuelta, they take it home. 2 GT and 2 smaller stage races should triumph most other combinations.

I think the classics Pog did put him on top of where we are now. But he doesn't really have a plan as of yet.. and not planned for WC or Vuelta. Il lombardia might give him the edge if Ving/rog/vdp miss it.

MVDP: if he takes WC RR and Ving/Rog don't take the vuelta he has the highest chance of the others.

the 2 who will need multiple wins:
Remco: Vuelta + WC RR or WC ITT or Lombardia.
WVA: WC RR and WC ITT and GP montreal or GP Quebec. (and the other missed all the goals above )

 

[Blanco]

Isn't there a big 6? Only 5 options

6th would be Adam Yates or Jasper Philipsen. Take your pick.

 

[Blanco]

Yes, but that was during Sky years

God damn, looking back, Valverde winning in 2018 must have been something like a career-award. The only top level race he won was the WCC.

The only top level race Alaphilippe won in 2019 was Milan-San Remo
The only top level race Gilbert won in 2011 was Liege