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Vingegaard vs Pogačar - The Duel

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Yeah, right now.

However...

1. That wasnt what was being discussed.

2. Pog has time on his side.

The facts are Pog is ahead of Vinge on GT performances.
I was talking about peak perfomances in Grand Tours.

Did Pogacar ever do a perfomance in a Time Trial like in Vingegaard did in Combloux?

Did he ever did a perfomance like Vingegaard did on Granon and La Loze?

Did Pogacar ever pushed close to 7 w/kg like Vingegaard pushed in 21 minutes on col Marie Blanque?

Did Pogacar ever did a perfomance like spandelles (6.1 w/kg)+Hautacam(6.3 w/kg in 36 minutes)?

That's what i was talking about.
 
I was talking about peak perfomances in Grand Tours.

Did Pogacar ever do a perfomance in a Time Trial like in Vingegaard did in Combloux?

Did he ever did a perfomance like Vingegaard did on Granon and La Loze?

Did Pogacar ever pushed close to 7 w/kg like Vingegaard pushed in 21 minutes on col Marie Blanque?

Did Pogacar ever did a perfomance like spandelles (6.1 w/kg)+Hautacam(6.3 w/kg in 36 minutes)?

That's what i was talking about.
Vingegaard's best performances all came after the age of 25.
Pogačar (25) made significant improvement this year and I'd argue the Livigno stage is on par with la Loze while 2x Grappa is close to Spandelles + Hautacam stage.
 
Vingegaard's best performances all came after the age of 25.
Pogačar (25) made significant improvement this year and I'd argue the Livigno stage is on par with la Loze while 2x Grappa is close to Spandelles + Hautacam stage.
Don't give so much importance to the age, but when they started to race at highest level.

Quintana started very young at highest level and he was "old" with 30/31 years.
 
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I was talking about peak perfomances in Grand Tours.

Did Pogacar ever do a perfomance in a Time Trial like in Vingegaard did in Combloux?

Did he ever did a perfomance like Vingegaard did on Granon and La Loze?

Did Pogacar ever pushed close to 7 w/kg like Vingegaard pushed in 21 minutes on col Marie Blanque?

Did Pogacar ever did a perfomance like spandelles (6.1 w/kg)+Hautacam(6.3 w/kg in 36 minutes)?

That's what i was talking about.
Those watts you keep quoting are completely irrelevant. They could be way off for all we know… instead, you should focus on the fact Froome on Granon gained only 1 minute to who you normally call 2nd tier riders and you will suddenly realise the huge time difference is due to Pog cracking and in some cases to Pog not having a team.
 
Those watts you keep quoting are completely irrelevant. They could be way off for all we know… instead, you should focus on the fact Froome on Granon gained only 1 minute to who you normally call 2nd tier riders and you will suddenly realise the huge time difference is due to Pog cracking and in some cases to Pog not having a team.
Vingegaard, Pogi and Rogla rode Galibier quite differently from the rest. That day was not about Granon in isolation.
 
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In the last two TDF, Pogacar has tried to win every stage that he could and his teammates weren't able to provide constant support. Vingegaard, on the other hand, had lots of support. He didn't have to exert himself as much as Pogacar did. We know what happened in the final week both times.

What about this year? Pogacar has a lot of climbers to assist, but does he have riders like Van Aert and Jorgensen who can be all-around helpers?

Jonas was savvier and better coached. What will happen this year?
 
In the last two TDF, Pogacar has tried to win every stage that he could and his teammates weren't able to provide constant support. Vingegaard, on the other hand, had lots of support. He didn't have to exert himself as much as Pogacar did. We know what happened in the final week both times.

What about this year? Pogacar has a lot of climbers to assist, but does he have riders like Van Aert and Jorgensen who can be all-around helpers?

Jonas was savvier and better coached. What will happen this year?
UAE will be the strongest but I imagine Visma will let Bora do a lot of the work they would otherwise be doing. Wout will probably not be what he was in 2023 let alone 2022, and with their current situation will be more on the back pedal. Pogacar shouldn’t need much roleur service to do his thing, I think the way the other teams shake out will be the thing to watch.
 
I wonder if Vingego has the team to actually "break" Pog in the 3rd week. Hooydonck and Kuss are not there, and they were crucial last year. Can Tratnik really replace Hooydonck? Will van Aert be as good as other years? Can we trust that Jorgenson can set up Vingego for an attack in the 3rd week? And Laporte has struggled all year, will he reach the same level as last year? And Kelderman, not sure he is even close to Almeida and Ayuso.

So, I'm not sure he has a team that can push the same high pace during a hole stage like last year, tiring Pog out, and I'm not sure van Aert, Kelderman and Jorgenson can be an effective mountain train that can put Pog in red before Vingego attacks. Simple question is, how will Vingego drop Pog this year?
 
I think people are very optimistic if they think Jonas is at this TdF to do any real battle with pogi, it would baffle me to no end if that is the case.

I really hope some of the other contenders can step up and give us a fight or else it has the potential to be a real snooze fest.

I see the possibility that pogi will ride this whole season with only 2-4 real competitive race days, having raced half the season already with only one day of matched opposition.