Vuelta a San Juan 2023 (January 22-29)

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Did some riders get a time penalty (including Lopez and Remco) or what? There's some weird changes in the GC. Like Lopez only has 7 seconds on Ganna? How? It was 30 before. How do you get a 23 second time penalty?

PCS isn't wrong btw, I checked the official results.
 
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Ganna has a history of doing well on this climb, even when he still rode for Uae and Najar went wild. He's really good on shallow gradient tempogrinders.

Nothing dramatic for Remco, with him racing lbl-Giro it's probably better to start the season a bit slower.
 
Thread is super funny.

He bolted away.

Then looked bored and sat up.

And lol at those who think he was hit by the altitude. In like what, the 50 meters he had gained during his attack? That’s just dumb.

And he then rode as if on a Sunday group ride.

Nice that he no longer feels he has to win every race he enters. No other rider is required to do that. Apparently some here still think he is the only pro rider who cannot simply be using a race for training before bigger targets.
Yeah, people do not have to ridiculize every performance where Evenepoel doesn't win.
Yeah, other people also do not have to make up lame excuses every time Remco doesn't win.

Remco tried to win here, but he wasn't able to. Other riders where better yesterday. Maybe it was altitude, maybe it was his form that is lacking. Who cares. Remco has proven he is a great rider, but yesterday a couple of guys where better than him.
 
Thread is super funny.

He bolted away.

Then looked bored and sat up.

And lol at those who think he was hit by the altitude. In like what, the 50 meters he had gained during his attack? That’s just dumb.

And he then rode as if on a Sunday group ride.

Nice that he no longer feels he has to win every race he enters. No other rider is required to do that. Apparently some here still think he is the only pro rider who cannot simply be using a race for training before bigger targets.
Renowned Evenepoel hater Remco E. seems to disagree with you.

The moment I went we were already at an altitude of 2,200m and I immediately felt that. My arms were full of lactate for five minutes. It just didn't work for a while, but I came through again and then pushed watts that I needed to participate in the front. So that attack killed me for about three kilometers.
 
Yeah, people do not have to ridiculize every performance where Evenepoel doesn't win.
Yeah, other people also do not have to make up lame excuses every time Remco doesn't win.

Remco tried to win here, but he wasn't able to. Other riders where better yesterday. Maybe it was altitude, maybe it was his form that is lacking. Who cares. Remco has proven he is a great rider, but yesterday a couple of guys where better than him.
I don't see why being critical of his performance is ridicule, for it is not, but mere analysis. The fact is his form wasn't sufficient to win, which of course is fine. However, I think he himself will be upset he got dropped by the likes of a returning Bernal and a big Ganna. Cycling isn't just physical, but mental game. Ganna too is peaking for the Giro, perhaps not for GC, but to take the first maglia rosa in the opening TT and he is in better shape than Remco now. Sure it doesn't mean much at the moment, but say it had been Pogacar, who is expected to win every race he enters (so it's not just Remco), people would be just as critical towards him. And so it should be, with extraordinary talent comes more scrutiny over one's performances. It just comes with the territory, like it or not.

As far as the mental game goes, I'm sure he will want to be highly competitive against Pogacar at UAE and not get dropped by minutes on the toughest climb as at TA last year. Champions simply don't like that, which too comes with the territory. Doubtless Remco will also want some early confirmation to know he's on the right path to confidently take on Roglic, et al at the big Giro objective.
 
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Ganna has a history of doing well on this climb, even when he still rode for Uae and Najar went wild. He's really good on shallow gradient tempogrinders.

Nothing dramatic for Remco, with him racing lbl-Giro it's probably better to start the season a bit slower.
Yeah Ganna doing well isn't really a surprise, this was easier than Montagne de Lures and a worse field. Still given it's a 4.2% climb surely that's not enough for the Giro to try and make a Ganna parcours? If he held on on 6% gradients I'd say maybe.
 
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So Superman is back is a bang. While this shallow gradient is good for a monster engine like Ganna it's not for a lightweight like Lopez so the altitude surely had an impact here. Bernal's performance has to be noted - one year after a terrible crash he looks ready for competition at the top level. As for Remco, obviously it's disappointing but no conclusions regarding 2023 should be drawn here - it's still very early in the season and his move was a mistake considering the circumstances and his current form.
 
So Superman is back is a bang. While this shallow gradient is good for a monster engine like Ganna it's not for a lightweight like Lopez so the altitude surely had an impact here. Bernal's performance has to be noted - one year after a terrible crash he looks ready for competition at the top level. As for Remco, obviously it's disappointing but no conclusions regarding 2023 should be drawn here - it's still very early in the season and his move was a mistake considering the circumstances and his current form.
Not really. It reflects that it is January and Lopez is at a team where he isn't preparing for GTs or anything.
 
Not really. It reflects that it is January and Lopez is at a team where he isn't preparing for GTs or anything.
Don't know which part of my post you disagree with. That it's a good climb for Ganna? Or not really favourable gradient for Lopez? Or that altitude favours Lopez? Or that Remco's attack was a mistake? Most of these statements aren't that debatable TBH.
 
Don't know which part of my post you disagree with. That it's a good climb for Ganna? Or not really favourable gradient for Lopez? Or that altitude favours Lopez? Or that Remco's attack was a mistake? Most of these statements aren't that debatable TBH.
I disagree with the large impact of altitude. It's still a very easy climb, Lopez went 33 km/h on average, gaps to some non climbing specialists were very small as well, and Ganna beat all the climbers there apart from Miguel Angel Lopez, who moved down to a continental team. I think the impact of cross/tailwing was bigger.

Given the ease of the climb, Evenepoel getting dropped is even worse, but it's only January he has no real reason to give much of a crap
 
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I disagree with the large impact of altitude. It's still a very easy climb, Lopez went 33 km/h on average, gaps to some non climbing specialists were very small as well, and Ganna beat all the climbers there apart from Miguel Angel Lopez, who moved down to a continental team. I think the impact of cross/tailwing was bigger.

Given the ease of the climb, Evenepoel getting dropped is even worse, but it's only January he has no real reason to give much of a crap
Hi is a winner, of course he will give a crap, otherwise he would not have attacked to win and drop the others. So he rather getting dropped will surely vex him. And he made a mistake, even sinned of hubris, which makes it look foolish, something to make your face turn red at the finish. It's got nothing to with it being meaningless for the Giro, but just making a poor showing. Let's see if he doesn't give a crap to get dropped by Pogacar at the UAE Tour, which also means nothing for the Giro. Somehow I doubt it, because he's no longer coming back to the top from incident, but confirmed monument-GT-World Championship winner.
 
Hi is a winner, of course he will give a crap, otherwise he would not have attacked to win and drop the others. So he rather getting dropped will surely vex him. And he made a mistake, even sinned of hubris, which makes it look foolish, something to make your face turn red at the finish. It's got nothing to with it being meaningless for the Giro, but just making a poor showing. Let's see if he doesn't give a crap to get dropped by Pogacar at the UAE Tour, which also means nothing for the Giro. Somehow I doubt it, because he's no longer coming back to the top from incident, but confirmed monument-GT-World Championship winner.
Yeah UAE should matter a lot more. Maybe not extremely so for the Giro, but also to set future expectation in regards to how often you expect Evenepoel to contend for the big climbing races or if you only expect him to contest those for a shorter period during the year.
 
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