We like our credibility ?

[MD FACG FACP]

Lance announces he can't run 3 miles on a trail and has to drop out of a Tri in NZ. Today he tweets this;


Lance Armstrong
Just ran 6 miles pushing @maxarmstrong1. Yesterday woke up to 20 degress and snow. Ran today in shorts and 65 degrees. Crazy.
4 Hours Ago | reply | permalink


I no longer trust what this guy says. I think he may have used doping products.

 

[scribe]

I'd recommend 'The Clinic' gets renamed 'The Stalker'

 

[mitchman]

+1
or rename it "All LA all the time"

 

[Neworld]

I'd recommend 'The Clinic' gets renamed 'The Stalker'

Hey, if one narcissistically tweets daily about his athleticism, wins the TdF 7 times in a row, makes money off commercials, web sites and oncology patients one should be prepared to be scrutinized heavily.

Live by the sword...

NW

 

[scribe]

That's from a tweet? Whatever.

 

[Neworld]

That's from a tweet? Whatever.

Nah, not from the tweet. From years of BS and lies. When chum is in the water all the sharks come out. Hopefully all the little bits will be swallowed up.

Then we can move on to fixing this beautiful sport and give it some credibility as the title of this thread obliquely addresses.

NW

 

[pedaling squares]

I don't know about Armstrong, but when I run with a stroller I'm not exactly hitting race pace. Apples and oranges.

 

[scribe]

Nah, not from the tweet. From years of BS and lies. When chum is in the water all the sharks come out. Hopefully all the little bits will be swallowed up.

Then we can move on to fixing this beautiful sport and give it some credibility as the title of this thread obliquely addresses.

NW

Who do you put your faith in? Armstrong is gone and hasn't won anything in over a half a decade.

 

[Neworld]

Who do you put your faith in? Armstrong is gone and hasn't won anything in over a half a decade.

Great question! No one right now. But, I do believe in public embarrassment and punishment. And, if the most prolific, ubiquitous liar of all time can be brought to court and fairly proven to be a cheat, then others will worry. Worry enough to deter them more than is happening right now.

Changing a system that has molded decades of cheaters and dopers is an long long process; but well worth it. LA's trial, punishment, financial penalties and further public dissemination of his crimes is a great start.

NW

 

[The Hitch]

+1
or rename it "All LA all the time"

plenty of us have called for a seperate section of the clinic for all those who want to discuss Lance, Lances tweets, Lances mum, Lances dad, Lances children, Lances trial, Lances girlfriends, Lances clothes, Lances companies, Lances sponsorships, Lances food Lances homes, Lances schedule, Lances life etc.

There are plenty of threads in the clinic which do not cover this, even if ultimately people do end up coming in and bringing Lance into the convo/ randomly mentioning lance as if having a thread without him would be some sort of crime against nature.

 

[Hugh Januss]

plenty of us have called for a seperate section of the clinic for all those who want to discuss Lance, Lances tweets, Lances mum, Lances dad, Lances children, Lances trial, Lances girlfriends, Lances clothes, Lances companies, Lances sponsorships, Lances food Lances homes, Lances schedule, Lances life etc.

There are plenty of threads in the clinic which do not cover this, even if ultimately people do end up coming in and bringing Lance into the convo/ randomly mentioning lance as if having a thread without him would be some sort of crime against nature.

Can't really talk about doping in cycling unless you mention Lance. It's like talking baseball without mentioning the NY Yankees.

 

[Anonymous]

Who do you put your faith in? Armstrong is gone and hasn't won anything in over a half a decade.

Well, there was that dramatic solo victory over the local Cat 1's in Nevada City. He was so awesome that day.

 

[MD FACG FACP]

I'd recommend 'The Clinic' gets renamed 'The Stalker'

Really ? Said the man with a permanent AC reference on his posts.

 

[Cal_Joe]

plenty of us have called for a seperate section of the clinic for all those who want to discuss Lance, Lances tweets, Lances mum, Lances dad, Lances children, Lances trial, Lances girlfriends, Lances clothes, Lances companies, Lances sponsorships, Lances food Lances homes, Lances schedule, Lances life etc.

There are plenty of threads in the clinic which do not cover this, even if ultimately people do end up coming in and bringing Lance into the convo/ randomly mentioning lance as if having a thread without him would be some sort of crime against nature.

You forgot to mention that one weird stalker who follows jets/airport logs and posts about where LA is on any given day. I also vote for a separate section for things that do not really matter - and not limited to LA, but any other pro. Maybe these posters could make some money selling stuff to TMZ, Peephole magazine, etc.

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

A separate Lance forum, a separate Lance/Landis forum, splitting the clinic between known/speculation, and many more forums have been discussed. Who knows, maybe something will happen. Probably not with Lance though because -

Armstrong is gone and hasn't won anything in over a half a decade.

And soon his only exposure will be related almost exclusively to litigation and hearings.

The sport badly, badly needs to move beyond Lance, and Landis as well. We still have plenty of doping and corruption problems, but neither of these guys are the future of cycling. They're part of the past. A past I think a lot of us would like to see fade away as soon as possible.

 

[frenchfry]

Lance announces he can't run 3 miles on a trail and has to drop out of a Tri in NZ. Today he tweets this;


Lance Armstrong
Just ran 6 miles pushing @maxarmstrong1. Yesterday woke up to 20 degress and snow. Ran today in shorts and 65 degrees. Crazy.
4 Hours Ago | reply | permalink


I no longer trust what this guy says. I think he may have used doping products.

Relentlessly exploiting his children to market his brand. How sick is that.

 

[Benotti69]

A separate Lance forum, a separate Lance/Landis forum, splitting the clinic between known/speculation, and many more forums have been discussed. Who knows, maybe something will happen. Probably not with Lance though because -

And soon his only exposure will be related almost exclusively to litigation and hearings.

The sport badly, badly needs to move beyond Lance, and Landis as well. We still have plenty of doping and corruption problems, but neither of these guys are the future of cycling. They're part of the past. A past I think a lot of us would like to see fade away as soon as possible.

without their palmeres and with everyone (not just cycling fans) knowing the full extent to how they doped, why they doped and more importantly how they got away with it for so long. then it will be easier to move on, otherwise we move on to the next Landis, Pharmastrong, Contador etc....

 

[rhubroma]

Hey, if one narcissistically tweets daily about his athleticism, wins the TdF 7 times in a row, makes money off commercials, web sites and oncology patients one should be prepared to be scrutinized heavily.

Live by the sword...

NW

Yea, this is what I thought too.

I mean it really does say much about the class of someone, who, when his golden years and public life are over, feels the need to exploit the latest tech trends, puerile and ridiculous as they are, just to still feel venerated by the masses of his world.

Pathetic. Normal people would say "Oh, LA ran six miles today....so. Who cares!"

Of course the fanboys who still drool over his every news, think they have actually buddied up to the guy as participants in this silly Tweeter.

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

without their palmeres and with everyone (not just cycling fans) knowing the full extent to how they doped, why they doped and more importantly how they got away with it for so long....

Sure, and as we determine that, they deserve the same kind of attention we give Raimondas Rumšas, Stephen Schumacher etc. What we don't need to be doing is giving these guys their own forum for discussion here. That's what I was trying to say.

 

[andy1234]

Sure, and as we determine that, they deserve the same kind of attention we give Raimondas Rumšas, Stephen Schumacher etc. What we don't need to be doing is giving these guys their own forum for discussion here. That's what I was trying to say.

Threads like this actually water down the real issue.

Who cares if Armstrong doesn't want to compete in a triathlon and he's out for a run. Who cares if he likes strip clubs, who cares if he bangs chicks 3 at a time?

Are the actual issues surrounding the guy not enough?

If the aim is REALLY to educate the masses on what sort of a character Armstrong really is, then this isn't the place to do it. Spread your wings and find a more challenging audience.

Talk about preaching to the converted.

 

[Berzin]

Of course the fanboys who still drool over his every news, think they have actually buddied up to the guy as participants in this silly Tweeter.

This is a curious psychological phenomena I've noticed that goes back years.

Once at the one-day race in San Francisco, the winner crossed the line and the interviewer immediately barked "Congratulations!!! You beat Lance Armstrong!!!" when the reality is he beat the whole field. He wasn't allowed to enjoy his victory in the presence of Armstrong's shadow. The media wouldn't allow this.

Also, after announcing his comeback during some mountain bike race whose name escapes me, the winner was interviewed after crossing the line. He had pulled off with Lance and took the lead and won. At the finish line yet again, both he and the interviewer seemed obliged to mention Armstrong's name half a dozen times in the span of 10 seconds.

It was almost as if Armstrong's presence gave these two morons the validation they so desperately needed to go on living. Totally and completely vomit-inducing how grown men and women fawn over this guy.

Now I understand why televangelists are so successful in this country. The groupie mentality really is disturbing and something to behold.

 

[rhubroma]

This is a curious psychological phenomena I've noticed that goes back years.

Once at the one-day race in San Francisco, the winner crossed the line and the interviewer immediately barked "Congratulations!!! You beat Lance Armstrong!!!" when the reality is he beat the whole field. He wasn't allowed to enjoy his victory in the presence of Armstrong's shadow. The media wouldn't allow this.

Also, after announcing his comeback during some mountain bike race whose name escapes me, the winner was interviewed after crossing the line. He had pulled off with Lance and took the lead and won. At the finish line yet again, both he and the interviewer seemed obliged to mention Armstrong's name half a dozen times in the span of 10 seconds.

It was almost as if Armstrong's presence gave these two morons the validation they so desperately needed to go on living. Totally and completely vomit-inducing how grown men and women fawn over this guy.

Now I understand why televangelists are so successful in this country. The groupie mentality really is disturbing and something to behold.

It's all about money and man worship.

 

[JPM London]

The sport badly, badly needs to move beyond Lance, and Landis as well. We still have plenty of doping and corruption problems, but neither of these guys are the future of cycling. They're part of the past. A past I think a lot of us would like to see fade away as soon as possible.

Agree, but we're also not all like Bassons - I think a lot of us simply crave closure on that whole era. And taking away whatever learning we can - so we know what to think once in the future.

Also, I guess, there's no way to be sure. What if LA all of a sudden pulls a comeback 3.0 into a team manager position? Then the past is all of a sudden haunting the present (or future or whatever) again. We all thought we'd seen the last of him a handful of years ago, when at least a big portion of us naively thought he might actually have been clean and that those pesky rumours were just that. Even then it seemed like the world of cycling gave a sigh of relief - now we could stop thinking about those rumours and be happy that the future of cycling was definitely clean. Amazingly, just the way the entry of Armstrong in Comeback 1.0 was heralding a clean, post-Festina cycling future.

I think history shows that unless you keep it in mind it'll come back to bite you in the end...

But I still totally agree that it could be nice, just for bit, to be able to discuss and think about cycling without that annoying, nagging voice in the back of your mind.

Sure, and as we determine that, they deserve the same kind of attention we give Raimondas Rumšas, Stephen Schumacher etc. What we don't need to be doing is giving these guys their own forum for discussion here. That's what I was trying to say.

Personally I think it's very sad for Rumsas that he's been demonised, scrutinised and subject to endless speculation just because he tried to help his mother (or whatever) get the medicine she so badly needed - clearly he asked LA, who knows all about curing diseases, to help out and he did. So unfair!

Anyway, yeah, they deserve even less attention than nothing. However, in my mind, it's important to welcome the input from whistleblowers and others finally ready to shed some light - even belatedly.

If the aim is REALLY to educate the masses on what sort of a character Armstrong really is, then this isn't the place to do it. Spread your wings and find a more challenging audience.

Talk about preaching to the converted.

But the converted are such an appreciative crowd and they actually want to hear the sermon - less so with the doomed heretics.

Back in the day nobody - in the peloton, the organisations or even the press - wanted to hear Bassons out. Well, maybe that was just a tad too challenging...

Once at the one-day race in San Francisco, the winner crossed the line and the interviewer immediately barked "Congratulations!!! You beat Lance Armstrong!!!" when the reality is he beat the whole field. He wasn't allowed to enjoy his victory in the presence of Armstrong's shadow. The media wouldn't allow this.

Also, after announcing his comeback during some mountain bike race whose name escapes me, the winner was interviewed after crossing the line. He had pulled off with Lance and took the lead and won. At the finish line yet again, both he and the interviewer seemed obliged to mention Armstrong's name half a dozen times in the span of 10 seconds.

It was almost as if Armstrong's presence gave these two morons the validation they so desperately needed to go on living. Totally and completely vomit-inducing how grown men and women fawn over this guy.

Happened to watch the Cavendish Milan-San Remo recently. Listening to the commentary was hilarious with the world's two biggest fanboys going:

"blah-blah weather, blah-blah wheel-set, blah-blah humptidum, blah (camera cuts to LA for 3 seconds) - AND THERE HE IS! LANCE ARMSTRONG! HOW CAN HE NOT WIN? HE'S ON A BIKE! NOBODY CAN BEAT HIM - HE WON'T ALLOW IT! *gushing endless love*"

And then every now and then when the camera captures His Bikeness they're going: "THERE'S LANCE ARMSTRONG AGAIN - ON HIS WAY TO WIN THE RACE" or "AND NOW HE'S REALLY PUTTING THE HAMMER DOWN!"...
Eventhough he's clearly sitting in the middle of the pack, tacking along and the peloton not even slightly changing pace...

Apparently merely the sight of him is enough to - well, I won't go there...

 

[frenchfry]

Threads like this actually water down the real issue.

Who cares if Armstrong doesn't want to compete in a triathlon and he's out for a run. Who cares if he likes strip clubs, who cares if he bangs chicks 3 at a time?

Are the actual issues surrounding the guy not enough?

If the aim is REALLY to educate the masses on what sort of a character Armstrong really is, then this isn't the place to do it. Spread your wings and find a more challenging audience.
Talk about preaching to the converted.

It's a package deal. I totally agree that as long as he is in our face as cycling fans (comeback, twitter etc.) then his lifestyle is open for discussion.

 

[AnythingButKestrel]

I'm sorry, but if we have to Lancey Boy's face f-ing EVERYWHERE as being Señor Uber Racer (i.e. on TV, on the web, at REI, at the climbing shop, in the beer aisle, on the bar posters, at the car dealer, at the bike shop, the supermarket checkout aisle ...) then dishing his bullsh*t right back at him is completely warranted.

If Lancey Boy wants to pound his chest as SuperRacer(TM)(R)(C), then he should freaking show up to the party and RACE. Otherwise, he needs to STFU and dump the marketing hype.