Wellen's condition "not caused by doping..."

[GreasyMonkey]

From Cyclingnews today, http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/wellens-condition-caused-by-infection-not-doping-doctor-says

Quote: "He also said that the heart muscle inflammation was clearly due to a bacterial viral infection, denying that doping played a role."

Hmmm, a new nasty strain of infection, bacterial & viral at the same time - I have had bacterial infections, and viral infections, but not one that is both.

Makes me wonder, and the symptoms described sound a bit like our pal Ricco...

 

[Benotti69]

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[doolols]

There is no indication so we strongly refute it.

Does this sound a bit like "I have never tested positive for any performance-enhancing drugs"?

 

[biokemguy]

huh?

He also said that the heart muscle inflammation was clearly due to a bacterial viral infection

What is a bacterial viral infection? Maybe they missed the word 'and' between bacterial and viral because there's no such thing as a bacterial viral infection.

Is it shoddy reporting, or is the doctor trying to baffle us with BS? If the latter, it doesn't lend any credibility to the article.

 

[MarkvW]

Poor dude. He sure could use a lot of those very useful white blood cells that fight infections. Bet he's got a lot of red blood cells, though!

 

[greatking88]

I wonder will the UCI/National Federation ask for the doctors reports like they did in the Ricco case?

 

[Cloxxki]

I wonder will the UCI/National Federation ask for the doctors reports like they did in the Ricco case?

Yeah right, the Belgian fed, regarding 'cross? Those riders are saints.

I raced against Wellens on a few occasions. Hope he'll be well soon. And stay clean forever after.

 

[greatking88]

Yeah right, the Belgian fed, regarding 'cross? Those riders are saints.

I raced against Wellens on a few occasions. Hope he'll be well soon. And stay clean forever after.

No worries, I don't have much idea about cross, not so big in Ireland Thanks!!

 

[Cloxxki]

No worries, I don't have much idea about cross, not so big in Ireland Thanks!!

Cross is to Belgium what darts and snooker are to Britain. And football, (soccer) to nearly all nations. Belgians sukk at football, in a dramatic way. Cross is their savior. Not sure what sport the Irish worship?

 

[ElChingon]

The health of some of our so called Athletes is so frail.

From the recent, well mainly from all the BS we've heard over the years you'd think we could have a bubble boy racing soon...

 

[greatking88]

Cross is to Belgium what darts and snooker are to Britain. And football, (soccer) to nearly all nations. Belgians sukk at football, in a dramatic way. Cross is their savior. Not sure what sport the Irish worship?

Gaelic Football is the sport of worship in Ireland

 

[BroDeal]

Can't one of you guys look at his jawline or forehead and determine whether he is doping? It would be so much easier than reading between the lines of a Cyclingnews article.

 

[GreasyMonkey]

Can't one of you guys look at his jawline or forehead and determine whether he is doping? It would be so much easier than reading between the lines of a Cyclingnews article.

Too much mud..... upsets the biometric software.

 

[function]

Frailty

The health of some of our so called Athletes is so frail.

From the recent, well mainly from all the BS we've heard over the years you'd think we could have a bubble boy racing soon...

On the contrary, athlete workloads actually compromises their immune defenses, e.g. Elevated cortisol. Anyone who trains a lot would notice that peak performance is on the very ragged edge of health.

 

[DirtyWorks]

What is a bacterial viral infection? Maybe they missed the word 'and' between bacterial and viral because there's no such thing as a bacterial viral infection.

Is it shoddy reporting, or is the doctor trying to baffle us with BS? If the latter, it doesn't lend any credibility to the article.

It may be the translation to English. And then there's the translation from medical terminology into something legible for us ordinary folks. I'm willing to give the reporter a little wiggle room.

I don't have the link handy, but a couple of years ago a proper Belgian MD made the claim most of the Belgian 'cross success is/was due to doping. Doctor freely admitted to assisting riders of all kinds. Kind of a strange situation with him announcing the Belgian 'cross scene is doping while he was handing the stuff out with instructions.

I don't know how the UCI will play this one. The politics in 'cross are different. If the biggest promoters wanted to break from the UCI, there wouldn't be much of a penalty. The promoters make money without the UCI.

 

[Cloxxki]

It may be the translation to English. And then there's the translation from medical terminology into something legible for us ordinary folks. I'm willing to give the reporter a little wiggle room.

I don't have the link handy, but a couple of years ago a proper Belgian MD made the claim most of the Belgian 'cross success is/was due to doping. Doctor freely admitted to assisting riders of all kinds. Kind of a strange situation with him announcing the Belgian 'cross scene is doping while he was handing the stuff out with instructions.

I don't know how the UCI will play this one. The politics in 'cross are different. If the biggest promoters wanted to break from the UCI, there wouldn't be much of a penalty. The promoters make money without the UCI.

I hate hearing these things.
When I took on pro's of that level, it was most often in cross. I was slaughtered. When they lapped me, it was like a moped gang coming by. I was not trained like a pro, but I did get decent results elsewhere. Nothing warranted losing so much time. I used to think it all came down to technique, but well, those straight line speeds...

 

[Choocher]

What is a bacterial viral infection? Maybe they missed the word 'and' between bacterial and viral because there's no such thing as a bacterial viral infection.

Is it shoddy reporting, or is the doctor trying to baffle us with BS? If the latter, it doesn't lend any credibility to the article.

Well, I recently just came down with a bacterial ear/eye infection while suffering from an upper respiratory virus at the same time. It could be that something has been lost in translation. It's hard not to be cynical, though.

 

[Martinello]

sounds like a clear cut case of sepsis to me (infection leading to an inflammatory response with vasodilatation, compromised circulation and resulting organ failure). I've seen healthy, younger patients deterioate within hours into life threatning multi-organ failure due to sepsis from urinary tract infections or uncomplicated pneumonias so it's not unlikel that Wellens might just have been unlucky.

It can happen to everyone, although most common in the elderly, co-morbid population. An elite athlete would be at risk as well as they're frequently immunosuppressed due to streneous activities.
Doping, except corticosteroids, doesn't really make an athlete more suspectible to sepsis or infections in general.

 

[Roninho]

sounds like a clear cut case of sepsis to me (infection leading to an inflammatory response with vasodilatation, compromised circulation and resulting organ failure). I've seen healthy, younger patients deterioate within hours into life threatning multi-organ failure due to sepsis from urinary tract infections or uncomplicated pneumonias so it's not unlikel that Wellens might just have been unlucky.

It can happen to everyone, although most common in the elderly, co-morbid population. An elite athlete would be at risk as well as they're frequently immunosuppressed due to streneous activities.
Doping, except corticosteroids, doesn't really make an athlete more suspectible to sepsis or infections in general.

Doping in general probably not, but what about doping without proper medical attention (as in buying some dubious new form of dope online without knowing what the precise content is, storing it in their own fridge for a couple of months and injecting it themselves)?

 

[Martinello]

Doping in general probably not, but what about doping without proper medical attention (as in buying some dubious new form of dope online without knowing what the precise content is, storing it in their own fridge for a couple of months and injecting it themselves)?

You're right about that one, numerous instances can be mentioned, such as storing intralipid bags at 40-50C on the front seat of the car in July and then infusing it into 9 PDM riders.
It's basically the issues the IV drug abusers battle every day. The stuff (i.e. heroine) itself is perfectly safe to use with no mentionable sideeffects if taken correctly. But the drug addict has to hide from the authorities, usually take the drugs in a hurry in ill lit conditions without optimal equipment and the quality of the drugs is ofter varying due to handling and cutting.

This is basically what the average pro cyclist is also up against. Ill lit hotel rooms, shady doctors, dirty kitchen tables, training partners who do not keep temperature logs on your hidden fridge etc etc.

 

[Cobblestones]

What is a bacterial viral infection?

Those are bacteria which themselves are infected with viruses?

 

[rgmerk]

Those are bacteria which themselves are infected with viruses?

Slightly offtopic, but viruses that infect bacteria do exist - they're called bacteriophages.

The Russians apparently used them theraputically as an alternative to antibiotics for many years, and research into their use is ongoing. It's of considerable interest, given the rise of bacteria that are resistant to conventional antibiotics.

 

[peterst6906]

The Russians apparently used them theraputically as an alternative to antibiotics for many years, and research into their use is ongoing. It's of considerable interest, given the rise of bacteria that are resistant to conventional antibiotics.

Also off topic, but not only the Russians. Viruses are used as food additives in the US and in Europe, especially for meats and cheese against Lysteria.

But back on topic, if only there was a virus that could boost red blood cell production but have no other ill effects. Sounds like a research project.

 

[Susan Westemeyer]

Wellens' house searched as part of doping investigation

He is cool with it, though and says he has nothing to hide.

Susan

 

[doolols]

Wellens' house searched as part of doping investigation

Bad link?

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/wellens-house-searched-in-doping-investigation

Edit: That's weird. The URL in your post, when quoted, has the colon after the http - but in the post as it appears on the forum, the colon is missing. Peculiar.