What body would you like to see the UCI model itself after?

[carton]

So, furthering the theme of spillover threads, this quote got me thinking:

An honest governing body could control for and minimize doping in a big hurry.

What governing body would you like to see the UCI model itself after?

I took the list of top sports from the first site that popped up in google, sporteology.com, and kicked out cricket, table tennis and volleyball because I needed nine and I can't name a single current cricket, table tennis or volleyball athlete. I thoroughly apologize to the coxswains amongst you.

 

[Maxiton]

(I don't know enough about the other governing bodies to make an informed choice, so I'll just leave this here.)

 

[blackcat]

Gisele Bundchen

pre-silicon front end and pre-pre silicon removal.

 

[carton]

pre-silicon front end and pre-pre silicon removal.

Out of all of the outrageous things you've said that takes the cakes.

 

[blackcat]

Re:

pre-silicon front end and pre-pre silicon removal.

Out of all of the outrageous things you've said that takes the cakes.

poes law bro

 

[Maxiton]

I don't think the model is so much the issue as the ethics. It seems that all governing bodies encourage doping, or at least tolerate it on behalf of the team owners who encourage it. Maybe the ideal governing body would be totally independent of commercial interests, and have the health of athletes and honest competition as its only concerns.

 

[Maxiton]

. . . doping is a sideshow, a straw man. Doping isn't the central problem in cycling. The central problem is corruption in the governing body.

The riders are more the victims of doping than they are its perpetrators. If there were as many Twitter accounts devoted to corruption in the governing body as there are to doping, we might have some hope of getting an honest UCI, and an honest sport. Until then, riders will continue to jeopardize their health, and their careers.

Citius, altius, fortius

That's the very slogan for Olympics.
To think that ANY top sports are clean is naive at best, and as we've seen, it's not just UCI but all governing bodies trying to dismiss the doping part, but which is an unfortunate and unavoidable part in top sports.

I'm definitely not naive about professional sports. Naive about some things, perhaps, but not that. (See my post in the "Manifesto" thread.) Since we are not likely to see a governing body that is truly concerned with the health of the riders and the integrity of the competition, I'd like to see, at the very least, a UCI that allows the race to be decided on the road, hands off drug testing to a neutral third party, and effectively controls for motor use.

It might also be a very good idea to hand off promotion of the sport to a new body, because I think it's clear that promoting the sport while governing it creates conflicts of interest. In fact it creates a complete joke.

 

[sniper]

Re:

i think this company could help redefine and set up useful new governing structures:
http://www.rootstreesurgery.co.uk/

 

[gillan1969]

Re:

Gisele Bundchen

pre-silicon front end and pre-pre silicon removal.

she never did she?????

 

[gillan1969]

Re:

pre-silicon front end and pre-pre silicon removal.

Out of all of the outrageous things you've said that takes the cakes.

he's confusing model with govern...he means Thatcher..pre-dementia

 

[StyrbjornSterki]

I would prefer the Mossad model. Break the rules and they creep into your house in the middle of the night and kill you in your sleep.



I think it's sophistic to attribute the apparent lack of PEDs enforcement to a simple failure of "honesty." I also think the doping is unstoppable.

There is nothing the anti-PEDs forces can know, and no device which they can use, that the dopers can't also know, or buy, to include what methods and processes and devices Anti-PEDs will use to come after them. Plus, anti-PEDs works from a limited budget and must follow a set of publicly-published rules.

OTOH, nothing but their own imaginations limits what the dopers can do to advance their cause. And they are a for-profit concern that employs a positive feedback loop. The better they dope, the more money the can win and the more money they can reinvest in their doping program. Improve the doping, increase the winnings. Increase the winnings, improve the doping. Repeat ad nauseum.

As long as our society produces athletes who are willing to cheat to win, I do not think it possible for anti-doping to even narrow the gap, much less to stamp out doping.

Which at last brings me to the topic of this thread. What I think is going on in the large part is that most (if not all) sports governing bodies are aware that they are losing (or have lost) the battle against PEDs, and the advantages enjoyed by the dopers are unassailable. They have no hope ever to catch up.

Which leaves anti-doping but two options. They can admit the sport is irretrievably lost to doping, which likely either would destroy the sport, or so defame the sport's authority that it would be deposed. Either way, they're made redundant. Or they could enable the sport to continue to exist, but only behind a façade which they are obligated to erect of an ostensibly effective but utterly feckless anti-PEDs program.

And once they have sold out to the idea of fakery as means of preserving the sport, the challenge then becomes one of how to continue making best-faith efforts at PEDs enforcement in the face of the realisation they are merely tilting at windmills.

 

[Escarabajo]

Vino please!

 

[Puckfiend]

I didn't see "Dead" as one of the body options.

 

[TheSpud]

"None of the above"?

 

[dwyatt]

All of those organisations have their issues, so none i guess.

 

[carton]

Re:

All of those organisations have their issues, so none i guess.

"None of the above"?

I didn't see "Dead" as one of the body options.

Vino please!

I thought that was what the Vino option was for. You guys want a separate UCI´s dead-ASO/Velon takeover-no governing body option?

On the Mossad option, I tried to limit this to other sports. Outside of specific sports I'd rather go with a UN/IOC/EU-type supranational than a more tribal Politburo Standing Committee/GRU/Federal Reserve-type deal, just to avoid the politics of it.

 

[blackcat]

Re: Re:

pre-silicon front end and pre-pre silicon removal.

Out of all of the outrageous things you've said that takes the cakes.

he's confusing model with govern...he means Thatcher..pre-dementia

I am not confusing anything with anything, I was intentionally conflating for purposes of wildean drollery, now you are well entitle to say i failed, and indeed that i have failed miserably. i will cop that. i will not deign dunning-kruger by citing #Poe's_law

 

[Maxiton]

In the spirit of Wildean drollery:

 

[carton]

So then it is the lot of you that take the cakes

 

[blackcat]

#MaleGazeMulvey

is that the correct spelling of laura mulvery can anyone help me out?

 

[Maxiton]

Re:

#MaleGazeMulvey

is that the correct spelling of laura mulvery can anyone help me out?

If it's on the cover of Paris Vogue wouldn't it necessarily be the male gaze from a woman's point of view? And wouldn't that make us, momentarily, transvestites?

 

[blackcat]

Re: Re:

#MaleGazeMulvey

is that the correct spelling of laura mulvery can anyone help me out?

If it's on the cover of Paris Vogue wouldn't it necessarily be the male gaze from a woman's point of view? And wouldn't that make us, momentarily, transvestites?

i dunno m8, its feminist film theory, thats feminist film theory, not feminist + film theory

we need to speak to Naomi Wolf and Harold Bloom to dissect this

 

[Maxiton]

Re: Re:

#MaleGazeMulvey

is that the correct spelling of laura mulvery can anyone help me out?

If it's on the cover of Paris Vogue wouldn't it necessarily be the male gaze from a woman's point of view? And wouldn't that make us, momentarily, transvestites?

i dunno m8, its feminist film theory, thats feminist film theory, not feminist + film theory

we need to speak to Naomi Wolf and Harold Bloom to dissect this

I'll take Jacques Lacan and Michel Foucault. I like the distinction you make between feminist film theory and feminist + film theory, though. Good point.

 

[blackcat]

Re: Re:

#MaleGazeMulvey

is that the correct spelling of laura mulvery can anyone help me out?

If it's on the cover of Paris Vogue wouldn't it necessarily be the male gaze from a woman's point of view? And wouldn't that make us, momentarily, transvestites?

i dunno m8, its feminist film theory, thats feminist film theory, not feminist + film theory

we need to speak to Naomi Wolf and Harold Bloom to dissect this

but did you get the Wolf and Bloom reference, their contretemps? It was English faculty, nor continental philosophy afterall. but foucalt did sex theory, re:coitus relations I think.

I'll take Jacques Lacan and Michel Foucault. I like the distinction you make between feminist film theory and feminist + film theory, though. Good point.

dont know if a mod edited my post, bit i think they did

 

[Maxiton]

Re: Re:

#MaleGazeMulvey

is that the correct spelling of laura mulvery can anyone help me out?

If it's on the cover of Paris Vogue wouldn't it necessarily be the male gaze from a woman's point of view? And wouldn't that make us, momentarily, transvestites?

i dunno m8, its feminist film theory, thats feminist film theory, not feminist + film theory

we need to speak to Naomi Wolf and Harold Bloom to dissect this

but did you get the Wolf and Bloom reference, their contretemps? It was English faculty, nor continental philosophy afterall. but foucalt did sex theory, re:coitus relations I think.

I'll take Jacques Lacan and Michel Foucault. I like the distinction you make between feminist film theory and feminist + film theory, though. Good point.

"The next thing I knew, his heavy, boneless hand was hot on my thigh." I bet his hand wasn't the only thing that was boneless.

I missed the reference entirely. Didn't actually know about it until you mentioned it (when I looked it up). Not being an academic I generally don't follow these things too closely. I have only a cursory familiarity with Naomi Wolf, and don't really esteem the work of Harold Bloom. Foucault did a lot more than sex theory.