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Eshnar said:
You don't have to tell me that guys, tell that to Acquarone (I'm already doing it on both Facebook and Twitter :p) What I wanted to know is what you all think about the concept of asking fans what should they do.

i was giving him a hard time durin il giro and a bit after lol now i have stopped i am finally over the last giro lol
 
1. Need an ITT earlier in the race. Create some gaps and force climbers to attack.

2. Two long stages with mammoth consecutive climbs are necessary. I'm ok with one short stage with a steep MTF as well. The more variety the easier to get entertained.

3. Yes yes and again yes. Sterrato is part of cycling. If a contender can't ride on strade bianche, he's not a contender.

4. 20-12-8 is the way. Every stage.

5. Just bring back the maglia ciclamino.

6. If you want Champs-Élysées, go to Champs-Élysées.
 
Libertine Seguros said:
Another thing that has to be done is to spread the decisive stages out. With totally backloaded routes, all that happens is everybody tries to time their form for week 3, and therefore everybody is not at 100% early on in the race and looking to limit their losses ahead of that final week that they're targeting for form, so racing is more conservative. Again, look at the 2010 Giro: Evans and Vino were already in form coming to the Giro, because they had been at peak form for the Ardennes. Therefore they had to make their time up early, because they might struggle (and indeed did) to hold form all the way to the end of the race, where riders like Basso and Scarponi were hitting peak form. Furthermore, you have to give these riders a reason for being in form early in the race - I'm not advocating you put the hardest MTF of the race on stage 4 like the 2007 Vuelta, or even that you use mountain stages at all to this end - but as long as all of the toughest stages are placed in one part of the route's chronology, everybody with GC ambitions will look to the same point in time. It can be with rouleur stages (eg La Grande Motte in the 2009 Tour, Arenberg in the 2010 or even Middelburg in the 2010 Giro, though with the road furniture that may have been a bit too risky from a safety point of view), puncheur stages (Mur-de-Bretagne in the 2011 Tour, Valdepeñas de Jaén in the 2010 & 11 Vueltas, Agrigento in the 2008 Giro), combinations of the above (Montalcino in the 2010 Giro), 'easy' climbing stages that weed out the contenders from the pretenders without creating big gaps (Alpe di Siusi in the 2009 Giro, Aitana in the 2009 Vuelta, less so Sierra Nevada in the 2011 Vuelta - that's an example of one that was TOO easy) or ITTs of varying lengths (Cholet in the 2008 Tour, Ciudad Real in the 2008 Vuelta). Preferably have at least one of each in the first half of the race to blend up the GC, and not leave it all as a final week sprint - a Grand Tour lasts for three weeks, and you should be racing for three weeks. Leave things for the Tadeses as well as the Gebreselassies.. But there has to be something that sets the GC mix early on. Not just for the spectacle, but for safety reasons - one of the problems in the 2011 Tour was that, as the GC mix was still wide open due to a lack of selective stages in the first half of the race, nearly every team was still up the front trying to protect goals; no reappraisal of goals had taken place, and the peloton was a nervous place for it.

Briljant observation and one that has been overlooked the last few years. People claiming it was an amazing Giro because it was close right up to the end probably weren't watching all the stages. It was only that way because for the most part the Giro was a tempo ride throughout the first 2 weeks where nothing noteworthy happened.
 
Dutchsmurf said:
I don't see why. More ITT km wouldn't have made this Giro any more exciting. I actually think the opposite, it would have been even more boring then.
Actually with a serious ITT in the first week Hesjedal would have dropped the mask early and riders like Scarponi and Purito would have attacked him more. For example in Lago Laceno Hesjedal was in great difficulty but the big guns didn't do a thing because they overlooked him.
 
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Eshnar said:
Actually with a serious ITT in the first week Hesjedal would have dropped the mask early and riders like Scarponi and Purito would have attacked him more. For example in Lago Laceno Hesjedal was in great difficulty but the big guns didn't do a thing because they overlooked him.

Purito attacking more than he did? He can't attack for longer than 1-2 km max. That is just the kind of rider he is. Scarponi is old and couldn't go any faster than he did. Sure, Hesjedal would have dropped the mask earlier. That only means the racing for second would have started earlier. Like it or not, but this Giro had a limited field and the racing we got was a result of that.

Where does this 100km of ITT is perfect come from anyway? With pure climbers being (almost) non existing lately, what good would more ITT do? In my opinion the amount of ITT in this Giro was perfect. The scheduling of it howeve wasn't.
 
Eshnar said:
Actually with a serious ITT in the first week Hesjedal would have dropped the mask early and riders like Scarponi and Purito would have attacked him more. For example in Lago Laceno Hesjedal was in great difficulty but the big guns didn't do a thing because they overlooked him.

they also thought he'd blow before they needed to attack him.



1. trade the TTT for MTT or a hillyTT. some finishing uphill and even some finishing downhill. Also agree that the prologue should be longer.
A few more punchier/hilly stages would have impoved things - think the Gatto/Contador escape last year

2. agree with all regarding some earlier MTF's. While the galibier/l'alpe stage worked for the tour last year, I'd rather that didn't become the norm. maybe throw something like that in the first week, say stage 5,6 or 7.

3. yep with a good amount of it, not just a few token bits, every year, and not necessarily only in the first week. stage 18 with 60kms of it anyone?

4. Balance is about right as pointed out eariler using the Cav model, but perhaps increase the intermediate points available too. A few sprint stages in the last week to tempt the sprinters to stay and compete wouldn't hurt either. Evans winning it in 2010 was a bit silly really...

5. comes back to safety. the flat ones should have some chance for teams and sprinters to go full gas against each other with less risk of crashing, but there does need to be recognition of the art n craft of positioning rather than everyone standing in a straight line to see who can slingshot their man the best...
 
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I'd ditch the last day TT, move it to 3-4 days before the end, with a decisive stage or two after. Something like Vuelta 10, long ITT and Bola del Mundo on the last day. If that means a tedious last flat day into Milan then so be it.
 
Dutchsmurf said:
Purito attacking more than he did? He can't attack for longer than 1-2 km max. That is just the kind of rider he is. Scarponi is old and couldn't go any faster than he did. Sure, Hesjedal would have dropped the mask earlier. That only means the racing for second would have started earlier. Like it or not, but this Giro had a limited field and the racing we got was a result of that.
As I said, Hesjedal was about to crack in Lago Laceno. And Piani Resinelli too.
And if Hesjedal arrived at the final stages with 2 minutes of advantage, I just can't help but thinking we would have seen more action.