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I cannot stand wheelsuckers when I am out training. They do no work, give no thanks, are lazy, often overweight, and weak. I despise weakness.

cyclingnews, with yet another example of a rehashed diary entry ripped off from a cyclist's website are the classic "cycling news" wheelsuckers. Doing no work, giving no thanks, lazy, and weak.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/evans-honours-sassi

NEWS, this is not.
 
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i actually quite like wheelsuckers... because they usually suck you can wear them out by going just over their limit... and after a while you sit back making sure you dont look tired at all and then force them to do some work.
Just have a laugh with them, they are at least trying:p
And please dont make such overstated comments about some article, you could have chosen not to read it.
 
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the big ring said:
I cannot stand wheelsuckers when I am out training. They do no work, give no thanks, are lazy, often overweight, and weak. I despise weakness.

cyclingnews, with yet another example of a rehashed diary entry ripped off from a cyclist's website are the classic "cycling news" wheelsuckers. Doing no work, giving no thanks, lazy, and weak.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/evans-honours-sassi

NEWS, this is not.

You would be a wheelsucker amongst the pro peloton. Should they hate you too?
 
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the big ring said:
I cannot stand wheelsuckers when I am out training. They do no work, give no thanks, are lazy, often overweight, and weak. I despise weakness.

cyclingnews, with yet another example of a rehashed diary entry ripped off from a cyclist's website are the classic "cycling news" wheelsuckers. Doing no work, giving no thanks, lazy, and weak.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/evans-honours-sassi

NEWS, this is not.

......interesting response...but have you the considered the possibilty that they actually allow you to go faster by helping manage your back-stream which is a major aero impediment...or maybe they simply want to bask in the reflected glory of someone so supremely strong(...haha... and you have to admit that is also a big ego stroke which is always nice..)...or this is a good way to develop race tactics...or they have taken a good look at the situation and are simply playing with your head which from where I'm sitting and reading seems a pretty easy thing to do at this point in what I'm guessing is an early part of your riding career...experienced riders accept this, just as they accept flat tires and rain and such, and don't get as rattled as you seem to be...

...hint...at some point you are going to have to come to grips with the fact this is part of riding in general and racing in particular...use those folks as a training exercise...relax and learn how to make them pay for the free ride( and a good skill to learn is not to make it too obvious) and learn how and when to drop them( this is the time to make it obvious)...at the very worst you have company on a ride...

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I don't see this as wheelsucking, especially if the source of the information in the article is stated clearly such as "in an interview in Spanish daily Marca Contador said..."

Cyclingnews and it's correspondents can't be everywhere all the time. There are enough original articles by their staff and a few freelancers to keep it a decent mix between original and re-packaged content. I think the key here with the re-packaged content is that the original source is always identified.
 
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the big ring said:
I cannot stand wheelsuckers when I am out training. They do no work, give no thanks, are lazy, often overweight, and weak. I despise weakness.

cyclingnews, with yet another example of a rehashed diary entry ripped off from a cyclist's website are the classic "cycling news" wheelsuckers. Doing no work, giving no thanks, lazy, and weak.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/evans-honours-sassi

NEWS, this is not.

wow big boy. what a hero. keep spinning the big wheel. btw, shall they hide their source or what?
 
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I don't see this as wheelsucking, especially if the source of the information in the article is stated clearly such as "in an interview in Spanish daily Marca Contador said..."

Cyclingnews and it's correspondents can't be everywhere all the time. There are enough original articles by their staff and a few freelancers to keep it a decent mix between original and re-packaged content. I think the key here with the re-packaged content is that the original source is always identified.

I think the key is here, cyclingnews are very selective over wether or not they identify the source. Personally id like to see at the bottom of every article the original source detailed with web links if applicable.

It is ironic that one of the biggest crimes on the forum seems to be saying stuff, or putting out news, without listing the source. Posters have served bans for it.
 
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I think the key is here, cyclingnews are very selective over wether or not they identify the source. Personally id like to see at the bottom of every article the original source detailed with web links if applicable.

It is ironic that one of the biggest crimes on the forum seems to be saying stuff, or putting out news, without listing the source. Posters have served bans for it.

There would be an irony there if it were the case - to be honest I have never paid that much attention.

Personally I am a big fan of the fact that on weeks when I can't be bothered or don't have time to surf around other sites I can get all the news (gossip) in one place. I have always thought of CN as somewhat of an aggregator of news and results ... and over the years they have become more journalistic. But others might have a different POV.

I imagine but don't know that Daniel and Laura think of themselves as more journalist than portal managers? But I have no inside track to this. BTW I know with an Admin title we mods look all official but actually we really arn't much more than users with a bit of extra functionality in the forum.
 

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You would be a wheelsucker amongst the pro peloton. Should they hate you too?

Wrong. If the pro peloton (or anyone for that matter) went past I'd let them - and keep doing the training I need for the racing I do.
 

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i actually quite like wheelsuckers... because they usually suck you can wear them out by going just over their limit... and after a while you sit back making sure you dont look tired at all and then force them to do some work.
Just have a laugh with them, they are at least trying:p
And please dont make such overstated comments about some article, you could have chosen not to read it.

Having had a wheel suck crash into my training buddy as we slowed for a car that was entering a round about and not giving way to us, no, I do not find this humourous.

As for not reading the article, it was not until the first paragraph that you learn they were rehashing someone's blog. I then stopped, as there was nothing "NEW".

A link to the article at the very least would have been helpful and ethical, I would have thought.
 

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wow big boy. what a hero. keep spinning the big wheel. btw, shall they hide their source or what?

spin the big ring, you mean?

they have not revealed their source, no, and I do not understand your question?
 

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......interesting response...but have you the considered the possibilty that they actually allow you to go faster by helping manage your back-stream which is a major aero impedimen..

I don't want to go faster when I am training, but thanks for the offer.
 
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I don't want to go faster when I am training, but thanks for the offer.

....oooooh....you reach out to help someone in such obvious need of help...and you get thanked with some fourth rate sarcasm...oh well...now off you go on and have a very nice day...us weaklings will just grovel in the dust storm left behind as you push that huge big ring of yours into the distance ( and thankfully out of our sight and mind )...

Cheers

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Well done. You have very successfully included the seeds to derail your own thread - and then fertilized them yourself.

...I commend you...beautifully put.... an absolute brilliant bull-eye shot...I really wish I had had your touch in this instance...chapeau...

...if you lived nearby I'd buy you a cold beverage of your choice...

Cheers

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Ta.

However, how about everybody sticks with the real topic of this thread (clarification of sources for CN articles) and we all ignore the irrelevant wheelsucker conversation?

no, really. Stick to the editorial topic or your posts may be deleted.
 
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Ta.

However, how about everybody sticks with the real topic of this thread (clarification of sources for CN articles) and we all ignore the irrelevant wheelsucker conversation?

no, really. Stick to the editorial topic or your posts may be deleted.

Uh oh, I had not read this far down yet when I made that last post. Please be gentle.
 
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Ta.

However, how about everybody sticks with the real topic of this thread (clarification of sources for CN articles) and we all ignore the irrelevant wheelsucker conversation?

no, really. Stick to the editorial topic or your posts may be deleted.

...ok ok ok...as much as this pains me, I have to admit that journalistic wheel sucking sucks for all the reasons old what's his name originally enumerated plus the fact they actually win the sprint at the end because...hey...they get paid for successfully doing it....therefore it really. really sucks...

...now can I have my milk and cookies, because I'm really sweepy, and I want to go beddie-bye...

...that being said, the grown-up in me understands that the cost of maintaining staff to cover a world wide sport is very high, and drawing on independent reporters and materials is a necessity...but of course attributing material to the original sources is also essential...and proper remuneration is of course required...

...and on that note, how about a round of cold beverages for everyone...yes?...and on the CN tab of course....after-all we have just provided some very valuable content without which CN would whither on the vine as a respected news organization...and that, dear sirs, is no word of a lie...

Cheers

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The thing is that I am unaware of an item posted on the CN site that uses text published elsewhere without referencing it. Is the issue perhaps simply the way that attribution is done?
 

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The thing is that I am unaware of an item posted on the CN site that uses text published elsewhere without referencing it. Is the issue perhaps simply the way that attribution is done?

It is not original content, but is presented as such. It is rehashed in a way to make it look like CN had a conversation with Cadel, or interviewed him. To me it seems dishonest.

Or at the very least, lazy, like the wheel suckers who can't be bothered riding in the wind, poor babies, even though they set out on the journey of their own accord.

HTFU, and do some work you slackers. :mad:
 
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and yet it doesn't take much effort to find evidence of CyclingNews articles that have been "ripped off" by other websites in the manner you describe. Are you saying that CyclingNews needs to have a different standard to everyone else? Look around - most major news sources are presenting rehashes of reuters or AAP articles.
 
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Martin318is said:
and yet it doesn't take much effort to find evidence of CyclingNews articles that have been "ripped off" by other websites in the manner you describe. Are you saying that CyclingNews needs to have a different standard to everyone else? Look around - most major news sources are presenting rehashes of reuters or AAP articles.

...well lets look at it this way...I come to CN because I think it is the best in providing information about competitive cycling...so in that regard you strive to achieve a higher standard and one that I would hope reflects positively on the bottom line...

...but when something negativelly affects the bottom line as is the case in journalistic wheel-sucking you immediately go dumpster diving...and drag out this miserable bit of cowardice about how everybody else does it...

...so how should we describe your mission statement....we aspire to greatness but when it comes to the brass tacks we are as sh*tty as everybody else...

...now please realize that the aforementioned is overblown for effect and that yes, I realize journalism can cost big money and that it is a business that needs a positive bottom line to survive...but...

....and to all the contributors on these forms, do remember when you post that you are directly contributing to the bottom line of CN...boys and girls we are a goldmine...an audience that not only populates the site but writes its own content that in large measure is the site....and for what remuneration exactly?....

Cheers

blutto
 
Ok - so I was intrigued to check this out having never really payed any attention to this. I can't find anything that's not referenced as from another source. I might be missing something ... are there any examples? :confused: Or are people sayin git needsto be more expliccit somehow?

I think the guys at CN take this pretty seriously

Happy to hear thoughts