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It's coming:

This year the build-up the Tour de France, which begins on 3 July, has been shrouded in controversy; something that cycling fans have become accustomed to for far too long.

The debates and accusations that have surfaced throughout the earlier parts of the year have ranged from the ridiculous to one matter of a particularly destructive nature.

It has left cycling fans apprehensive and uncertain over the authenticity of its sport and its most celebrated riders.
The pending damage of accusations made by Floyd Landis towards Lance Armstrong and his former US Postal team colleagues back in April have tipped the balance regarding Armstrong’s integrity.

http://www.thesportreview.com/tsr/2010/06/lance-armstrong-doping-scandal-floyd-landis/

Edited by mod, thanks to TeamSkyFan for the link
 

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sorry hog, but "The Lance Scandal" will blow over even faster than the Tiger Woods Scandal. Will blow over like a summer storm in the Alps...

And most Cancer Survivors are so forgiving it is not funny.
It is wonderful.

Enjoy the media frenzy while it lasts:)




ps....better the scandal comes out now versus during a political campaign.
 
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Pepsi Cola said:
Are you trying to pass off an article by somebody else as your own commentary?

The mods on here are really fair so I'm sure they won't ban you this time. But if it turns out you have done this before - repeatedly - then they will ban you on the spot...

which is next? rc cola? dr pepper? 7-up? shasta? will you work through the colas before moving on to other soft drink styles?

i like grape nehi. it reminds me of radar o'reilly.
 
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So far, all that has happened is the wind has blown. Contrary to Polish's opinion, this will not "blow over" however. He obviously does not understand Federal investigations. But nothing will happen before the Tour.
 
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Pepsi Cola said:
This info seems out of date in any event. The speculation on Kristin was rife in the days after Landis leaked emails but died down when she issued a statement denying memory of Landis' claims.

wait till a federal prosecutor gets her under oath with the possibility of perjury and jail time.
 
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wait till a federal prosecutor gets her under oath with the possibility of perjury and jail time.

LA's legal team would just trash her on the stand if she were to do that painting her as a bitter ex-wife. She wouldn't even be called to testify on that reason alone. The only chance they'd have would be a video of LA and crew in the act with full narative and up close shots of the materiel.
 
if you keep creating new threads about it every day with the same old facts then it might appear so, but I don't see this investigation going anywhere soon.

Even if lance, among all the other cyclists involved, gets nailed, it will probably be years away until he is convicted. I couldn't even see a trial happening for at least another 6 months. People that hold onto this belief that this issue is going to immediately move from scandal to conviction are living in fantasy land. You can enjoy your pipe dream or you can put it aside and enjoy the rest of the racing season.
 
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LA's legal team would just trash her on the stand if she were to do that painting her as a bitter ex-wife. She wouldn't even be called to testify on that reason alone. The only chance they'd have would be a video of LA and crew in the act with full narative and up close shots of the materiel.

Wow, you really don't know anything about legal proceedings or Kristin, do you?
 
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Kodiak said:
LA's legal team would just trash her on the stand if she were to do that painting her as a bitter ex-wife. She wouldn't even be called to testify on that reason alone. The only chance they'd have would be a video of LA and crew in the act with full narative and up close shots of the materiel.

of course, yes a video would work, well done, been bashing my head against a pole with the whole wife thing getting no where, thanks.

also, hopefully with france out of the world cup, the french media will decimate LA and crew
 
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question: is this investigation actually happening? did novitsky and the feds decide it is worth their time and effort to actually take this on?

if so, it will be a very long time before we see anything happen. i say a minimum of three years. maybe as long as 5 or 6. it won't in anyway affect this tour. although i expect that some serious pr on the part of landis, et al. will happen in the immediate run up to the tour.

my prediction is that this will all blow over. lance will retire with what is left of his legacy more or less intact.

then we can all move on.
 
Polish said:
sorry hog, but "The Lance Scandal" will blow over even faster than the Tiger Woods Scandal. Will blow over like a summer storm in the Alps...

And most Cancer Survivors are so forgiving it is not funny.
It is wonderful.

Enjoy the media frenzy while it lasts:)




ps....better the scandal comes out now versus during a political campaign.


ding ding ding.................winner
 
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spanky wanderlust said:
question: is this investigation actually happening? did novitsky and the feds decide it is worth their time and effort to actually take this on?

if so, it will be a very long time before we see anything happen. i say a minimum of three years. maybe as long as 5 or 6. it won't in anyway affect this tour. although i expect that some serious pr on the part of landis, et al. will happen in the immediate run up to the tour.

my prediction is that this will all blow over. lance will retire with what is left of his legacy more or less intact.

then we can all move on.

No. Another myth.
 
spanky wanderlust said:
question: is this investigation actually happening? did novitsky and the feds decide it is worth their time and effort to actually take this on?

Michael Ball, Rock Racing team named in search warrant for PEDs on heels of Floyd Landis confession

The government's investigation coincides with the extraordinary doping confession Landis made this spring in a series of e-mails to cycling officials that implicated the sport's top stars, including Lance Armstrong, in doping. Ball was not named in the e-mails, which claimed Armstrong and his team's director, Johan Bruyneel, introduced Landis to testosterone patches, EPO, human growth hormone and illicit blood transfusions. Armstrong has denied the charges, and plans to ride in the Tour de France next month.

FDA investigator Jeff Novitzky, who directed the BALCO steroid probe, helped obtain the search warrant on Ball's home in Los Angeles, according to sources. The U.S. Attorney's office for the Central District of California, which is standing behind Novitzky's probe, declined to comment on the case. Earlier this month, The News reported that assistant U.S. Attorney Doug Miller, an experienced prosecutor in that office, had joined the investigation. In 2004, Miller was responsible for the government's probe into the leaking of grand jury testimony of BALCO figures such as Barry Bonds to the San Francisco Chronicle - a probe that ended with the conviction and imprisonment of attorney Troy Ellerman.

Hmmm...
 
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good analysis roadie.

there is more in the m. ball’s connection to flandisgate.

i think it’s in the way how leogrande was caught and eventually done with.

to remind: leogrande’s epo test was inconclusive and he was convicted largely through the weight of circumstantial evidence (sonye’s sworn affidavit and joe papps pictures).

the parallel is clear - a sworn affidavit from a trustworthy witness of doping counts heavily. if some of what novitzky heard from flandis is corroborated by another witness, armstrong is a toast.

if anything, the search warrant on ball is the clear evidence that usada and the feds are working very closely...and making progress. ball is the perfect subject for a search as his vanity almost predisposes him to leaving sloppy traces and making mistakes in covering up.

there is another name there (dave scott) connected to ball, flandis and leogrande. novitzky owes him a call. too bad flandis seems trying to protect him by lying about not taking testosterone in 2006.
 
Moose McKnuckles said:
Threads like this always bring a swift response from the Lance fanboys. It's hilarious to watch.

Personally, I have no idea what's going to happen at this point.

yet you post in every thread saying Lance is going to prison.............


go figure.........huh?:rolleyes:
 
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I can't wait for the Tour, I wonder what will unfold in the next month. It's gonna be a circus show. Novitzky after Lances ***, Landis dropping bombs, AFLD butting heads with UCI, last years Astana infusion case, police raids and positive tests. And oh yeah, theres a race also.
 
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mikkemus23 said:
so thehog is banned over this? :confused:

Plagiarism is never good, but the hog's instance hardly seems serious; it's unknown if he was trying to pass the text off as his own or just neglected to quote his source. Maybe he didn't think it was important. Maybe this was a tipping point for other indescretions? Was it a hog hunt?

Still, it's odd to expect journalistic standards on a forum - a medium commonly understood to be informal and public - when CN's own 'journalists' editorialise. What sanction will Hedwig receive for this?

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/no-additional-tests-by-afld-at-tour

What sanction will I receive for posting 'off topic' (even though it would be inefficient to discuss it in the moderators' thread instead of here, the thread hog's ban occurred in)? Maybe the mods are inspired by the red card-happy World Cup refs!

BTW: time's running out for some big action on Lance and his former Astana team mates before the Grand Depart.
 
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CycloErgoSum said:
Plagiarism is never good, but the hog's instance hardly seems serious; it's unknown if he was trying to pass the text off as his own or just neglected to quote his source. Maybe he didn't think it was important. Maybe this was a tipping point for other indescretions? Was it a hog hunt?

The Hog has been warned literally dozens of time to stop quoting entire articles, but rather quote a section and provide a link. He has kept doing it over and over again. A temporary ban is hardly an overreaction considering he clearly wasn't taking the warnings seriously.

Incidentally I'm not sure if Cyclingnews aren't to some extend responsible for what goes on here on the forums. If they are clearly that's even more reason to take action against The Hog's consistent plagiarism.