White and O'Grady

[Mrs John Murphy]

To make a change from the usual suspects:

White an O'Grady have their own history's. White especially but let's not go there.

Let's go there.

What is the story on White and also 'Stuey' O'Grady so beloved of Eurosport commentators.

 

[Ozzie2]

To make a change from the usual suspects:



Let's go there.

What is the story on White and also 'Stuey' O'Grady so beloved of Eurosport commentators.

Love the guy (sog)
But no one leads the peleton for that long at that speed In July like he did a few years ago without Having been properly prepared

still a legend
workhorse

 

[skippy]

Typical ! nothing happening with " you know who " so you go looking for new targets !
Both of these guys were abused by the mushrooms over the years and now they are at the end of their racing careers you think you have free rein ?

FIND SOMETHING worthwhile to do , perhaps help a charity ? Donate some of the under used time to " LiveSTRONG " or a charity of your choice !

Sorry forgot , that you need to feel important and invincible !

Asked the " mods " to reconsider the requirements for " Senior member ", perhaps they need to check the " IP addresses " before allowing scurrilious threads to be started !

 

[sittingbison]

Hmmm...I'm not sure I like starting a thread about SOG when there is not the slightest whiff of scandal or shred of evidence, other than a bit of conjecture. Besides he is recovering in hospital after a horrific injury.

There is entry of genuine stuff going on, with real or circumstantial evidence, not imaginings. I vote this one gets locked before too much is reigned down that will never be retracted

 

[Mrs John Murphy]

Sounds like a vote for censorship more like.

All riders should be up for discussion - there is nothing that says that only certain riders are allowed to be discussed.

And O'Grady was riding for CSC led by Mr 60% and whose riders spent a lot of time hanging out with Spanish gynaecologists.

Scratch the surface of any cycling fan and there is a nationalist waiting to leap out to defend their national honour.

Repeat after me - white anglophone riders don't dope*

* Except for a few dodgy guys like Armstrong, Landis, Hamilton, Millar, Yates...

 

[ToreBear]

Sounds like a vote for censorship more like.

All riders should be up for discussion - there is nothing that says that only certain riders are allowed to be discussed.

And O'Grady was riding for CSC led by Mr 60% and whose riders spent a lot of time hanging out with Spanish gynaecologists.

Scratch the surface of any cycling fan and there is a nationalist waiting to leap out to defend their national honour.

Repeat after me - white anglophone riders don't dope*

* Except for a few dodgy guys like Armstrong, Landis, Hamilton, Millar, Yates...

My Impression is that before 2006 doping hookups were very selective by Riis. After, 2006 and Puerto there were no hookups.

So if your looking for dirt on O'Grady, I would look elsewhere.

 

[Telmisartan new]

My Impression is that before 2006 doping hookups were very selective by Riis. After, 2006 and Puerto there were no hookups.

So if your looking for dirt on O'Grady, I would look elsewhere.

I have nothing on SOG. Absolutely nada. White,well,most in here know the Trent Lowe story so little point in getting into that,belongs in the JV thread,suffice to say White and del Moral are well acquainted.

 

[timbat]

White ... where there is smoke there is fire.

The Garmin incident, sending Trent Lowe to Del Moral, his own past with Postal .....

Reading Tyler's book it would suggest that since White never rode the Tour he wasn't on the A-team while at Postal/Disco.

Still questionable in my book ... sadly

 

[the big ring]

I'll be honest: I probably won't contribute to the "Cadel doped" thread. There's my bias.

White - no question he's got history.

O'Grady? The only thing I have is a memory of him coming out in defense of his mate Lance Armstrong. Stuie seems like a smart guy, so I struggle to accept he honestly thinks LA was clean. I understand standing by your mates, and cannot find Stuey's LA defense online, so happy to be corrected.

 

[Mrs John Murphy]

What's the story on his time at Cofidis and CSC?

I guess we'll have to wait for Hog to turn up to tell us what the story is...

 

[Nick C.]

wow just wow nothing for or against these guys but are things so pathetic that we have "when did you stop beating your wife" threads. and then getting indignant and sanctimonious when called on it.

 

[the big ring]

wow just wow nothing for or against these guys but are things so pathetic that we have "when did you stop beating your wife" threads. and then getting indignant and sanctimonious when called on it.

Who do you think is going to participate in a "Truth and reconciliation forum" if we end up having one?

 

[msjett]

All riders have the potential to have doped in the past or to dope in the future. Australian cyclists have been busted and will in the future get busted for doping. Being Australian doesn't make you immune. And why, if everyone else is doing it wouldn't we?

 

[Mrs John Murphy]

Who do you think is going to participate in a "Truth and reconciliation forum" if we end up having one?

Personally, rather than getting all defensive about my favourite rider/national hero being questioned, I'd welcome it, because if they have nothing to hide then they'll be vindicated.

 

[Nick C.]

I was unaware it was possible to prove a negative but carry on.

 

[Mrs John Murphy]

2002 Redux

You guys are like Armstrong fans in 2002. The same old arguments as well.

Can Lemond, Bassons, etc 'prove' they are clean? Nope, but they have been able to withstand repeated questioning and scrutiny.

Just because you like a rider, think he's nice guy, because he has the same passport as you, doesn't mean that he's either clean or that he shouldn't be questioned.

Or perhaps you'd prefer it if we only asked questions of swarthy Spanish riders, dodgy East Europeans, and greasy Italians?

 

[Galic Ho]

Asked the " mods " to reconsider the requirements for " Senior member ", perhaps they need to check the " IP addresses " before allowing scurrilious threads to be started !

You don't post in a particular manner and get a prize FFS. It's not like the mods anoint everyone with oil, dunk our heads under water and wallah! We're baptised and 'senior members.' The leaders of the forum!!!

No, your status on the forum, is down to the number of posts you have made. Nothing more, nothing less. I think the number from memory is 150 posts. Or 250. Somewhere around that mark and you get your 'senior' wings.

 

[sittingbison]

Sorry Mrs Murphy
You are barking up the wrong tree using the jingo argument. If you bother to notice, I have spent the past three months hoeing into Rogers and Porte, and recently Kerrison.

I asked a perfectly legit question, that without any form of evidence whatsoever there is no point questioning SOG. I agree everyone should be open to scrutiny, however hopefully that scrutiny will start with some form of concern. In this case you have failed to present anything, so once again I ask the mods to close this thread.

Again, there are more than enough extremely vexing issues to persue without wasting time and energy on vexation. If you have something of genuine interest, fine. Until then, give it a rest.

 

[auscyclefan94]

Ask Janeck Tombak on what he said about O'Grady. Doesn't explicitly say O'Grady but you know that it is him that he is referring to. I will find the article on it in a minute.

 

[Galic Ho]

You guys are like Armstrong fans in 2002. The same old arguments as well.

Can Lemond, Bassons, etc 'prove' they are clean? Nope, but they have been able to withstand repeated questioning and scrutiny.

Just because you like a rider, think he's nice guy, because he has the same passport as you, doesn't mean that he's either clean or that he shouldn't be questioned.

Or perhaps you'd prefer it if we only asked questions of swarthy Spanish riders, dodgy East Europeans, and greasy Italians?

I agree. What I really want to know about was what happened at CSC with Andy Schleck and O'Grady at that Vuelta (2010 I think) where they were supposed to be helping Franck and yet they were outing cutting a path through all the bars in Spain mid Grand Tour. Instant dismal from the team and Saxo were down 2 good riders and strong helpers. All because they were drinking and partying whilst they should have been in bed.

That's extreme even for cyclists. Did they do this because they were leaving Saxo and Riis? Peeved at Bjarne maybe for something else? Still one of the most arrogant things I've seen from these two, heck make that any cyclist and they are normally team players. O'Grady has kept his public image clean. Like Evans. Like McEwen. White...not even close. Hasn't stopped his work prospects. He was originally going to Sky, then he left before the 2010 season. Go figure hey? Garmin...now Greenedge. Yay!

Despite what White and O'Grady have probably done in cycling (yes they are clearly suspect and almost bankable they were dirty at some stage), they can still read a race and make strong strategies. They work well with teams and riders. That alone makes them vital for any team. And yes, they'll be teaching it to a young generation on Greenedge. So what would people prefer? You learn the 'ropes' at Sky, Garmin or Greenedge? Is there even a difference right now? I don't think there is. Except that the Sky inner circle have got a better doctor.

 

[auscyclefan94]

Here's the article that I was talking about. Someone paraphrased what was said.

http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showpost.php?p=238872&postcount=80

 

[Mellow Velo]

Sorry Mrs Murphy
You are barking up the wrong tree using the jingo argument. If you bother to notice, I have spent the past three months hoeing into Rogers and Porte, and recently Kerrison.

I asked a perfectly legit question, that without any form of evidence whatsoever there is no point questioning SOG. I agree everyone should be open to scrutiny, however hopefully that scrutiny will start with some form of concern. In this case you have failed to present anything, so once again I ask the mods to close this thread.

Again, there are more than enough extremely vexing issues to persue without wasting time and energy on vexation. If you have something of genuine interest, fine. Until then, give it a rest.

The shoe pinches on the other foot, doesn't it?

O'Grady has pulled the Schleck Tour train all over the Alps and Pyrenees, hour after hour, for half a dozen years, yet he is an ex-sprinter/trackie.
Dropped almost the entire peloton, on the Agnello, all on his lonesome, just last year.

Won a completely out of the blue Paris-Roubaix, a la Cancellara.

Has ridden for Riis for years, so we have the Fuentes link.

I'd say there's at least as much of what passes for "evidence" around here, against SOG as there is Richie Porte.

I agree that standards around here need to improve, especially, when they are double.

 

[auscyclefan94]

The shoe pinches on the other foot, doesn't it?

O'Grady has pulled the Schleck Tour train all over the Alps and Pyrenees for hour after hour, for half a dozen years, yet he is an ex-sprinter/trackie.
Dropped almost the entire peloton, on the Agnello, all on his lonesome, just last year.

Won a completely out of the blue Paris-Roubaix, a la Cancellara.

Has ridden for Riis for years, so we have the Fuentes link.

I'd say there's at least as much of what passes for "evidence" around here, against SOG as there is Richie Porte.

I agree that standards around here need to improve, especially, when they are double.

I agree with what a lot of what you are saying Mellow Velo although to say his Roubaix win was out of the blue is very wrong.

 

[sittingbison]

At last, some genuine issues. No problem with that, it possibly provides something to discuss. And no, there isn't any pinching, because if you are alluding to say Wiggo or Groome there is a mountain of circumstantial evidence to examine.

However, as it's late at night here, and I'm tapping on a phone, I'll just point out one small thing. SOG is a genuine classics rider, a captain of domestiques. With genuine pedigree from the track. It is not unexpected for him to pull off a Paris Roubaix. Same goes for teams, Bassons rode for Festina, Moncoutie for Cofidis. Etc etc. It's not an argument with any substance other than it can be voiced.

Again, without something NEW that has come forth, there is no point in this thread. It's all done to death. There is nothing circumstantial that does not apply to basically EVERY rider. There are plenty of current issues to ponder until there is something specific.

 

[Nick C.]

That would qualify as raising a question and providing some evidence as to why. Just pulling a name out of a hat and when asked for more info coming up with the fanboy, nationality, freedom of the press lines is beyond weak.