Who has Not Doped?

[ray j willings]

It seems to me that almost everyone in the clinic suspects anyone/everyone in big time sport are doping.
Is there anyone who you think is clean? Any sport except Darts and Snooker.

I go for Gary Lineker and
Nichole Cooke
I reckon they are clean.

 

[Dr.Guess]

Christer Majbäck

 

[djpbaltimore]

Tim Tebow?

 

[PremierAndrew]

Chris Froome. Probably the only non-doper in sport right now

 

[gunara]

I go for Gary Lineker

of international yellow card maybe, but isn't it tiredness that often cause foul play?

 

[The Carrot]

All the Brits.

 

[BigMac]

Bike Pure role models.

 

["Jeff"]

Difficult to say who did dope or didnt dope but I am convinced these people didnt make a living of it.

Thierry Marie, Martial Gayant, Charly Mottet, Luis Herrera, Urs Zimmermann, Frans Maasen, Niki Ruttimann, Eduardo Chozas, Jean-Francois Bernard, Steve Bauer, Anselmo Fuerte, Martin Earley, Eric Boyer, Laudelino Cubino, Eddy Bouwmans, Edwig van Hooydonck, Jelle Nijdam, Luc Roosen, Thierry Claveyrolat etc etc

Just check out how many cyclists of the 80s, retired in the early 90s or regressed considerably.

I would have said Eddy Bouwmans too but he admitted to have used EPO once.

 

[Benotti69]

Re:

[quote=""Jeff"":3unm1svp]Difficult to say who did dope or didnt dope but I am convinced these people didnt make a living of it.

Thierry Marie, Martial Gayant, Charly Mottet, Luis Herrera, Urs Zimmermann, Frans Maasen, Niki Ruttimann, Eduardo Chozas, Jean-Francois Bernard, Steve Bauer, Anselmo Fuerte, Martin Earley, Eric Boyer, Laudelino Cubino, Eddy Bouwmans, Edwig van Hooydonck, Jelle Nijdam, Luc Roosen, Thierry Claveyrolat etc etc

Just check out how many cyclists of the 80s, retired in the early 90s or regressed considerably.

I would have said Eddy Bouwmans too but he admitted to have used EPO once.[/quote]

The above highlighted, I do not believe those 2 rode clean etc etc.

 

[gooner]

Dennis Bergkamp.

 

[Benotti69]

Re:

[quote=""Jeff"":2r8ap6wr]Difficult to say who did dope or didnt dope but I am convinced these people didnt make a living of it.

Thierry Marie, Martial Gayant, Charly Mottet, Luis Herrera, Urs Zimmermann, Frans Maasen, Niki Ruttimann, Eduardo Chozas, Jean-Francois Bernard, Steve Bauer, Anselmo Fuerte, Martin Earley, Eric Boyer, Laudelino Cubino, Eddy Bouwmans, Edwig van Hooydonck, Jelle Nijdam, Luc Roosen, Thierry Claveyrolat etc etc

Just check out how many cyclists of the 80s, retired in the early 90s or regressed considerably.

I would have said Eddy Bouwmans too but he admitted to have used EPO once.[/quote]

EPO didn't work for everybody. Also, not everyone knew how to maximise its use. Armstrong was using it before cancer and not enjoying much benefit until meeting Ferrari.

 

["Jeff"]

Re: Re:

[quote=""Jeff"":3txukxwp]Difficult to say who did dope or didnt dope but I am convinced these people didnt make a living of it.

Thierry Marie, Martial Gayant, Charly Mottet, Luis Herrera, Urs Zimmermann, Frans Maasen, Niki Ruttimann, Eduardo Chozas, Jean-Francois Bernard, Steve Bauer, Anselmo Fuerte, Martin Earley, Eric Boyer, Laudelino Cubino, Eddy Bouwmans, Edwig van Hooydonck, Jelle Nijdam, Luc Roosen, Thierry Claveyrolat etc etc

Just check out how many cyclists of the 80s, retired in the early 90s or regressed considerably.

I would have said Eddy Bouwmans too but he admitted to have used EPO once.

The above highlighted, I do not believe those 2 rode clean etc etc.

Good for you.

 

[Benotti69]

Re: Re:

[quote=""Jeff"":28rtgnjg]
You act like I am new to EPO.
[/quote]

Dude, your postings have being obviously doped for a long time...........

 

[the delgados]

Punters in big time football aren't on a program. That's what I've been told by a former NCAA football player who was.

 

[the delgados]

Thierry Marie won a stage of an epo-fuelled Tour after riding solo for more than 200 km.
I still remember doped up teams (not riders) desperately trying to chase him down at the end of the stage.

 

[Gregga]

Marie, Gayant, Bernard, french champions of corticosteroids, ask Kimmage regarding Claveyrolat
Chozas, Fuerte, Cubino, dodgy spanish teams
Nijdam, in dirtiest dutch team behind PDM
Van Hooydonck, Mottet, Boyer, yes, probably clean (but Mottet confessed taking amphetamines for crits)
And most of all, Zimmermann, yes, the cleanest despite being in Conconi's team, he only ate organic food, seeds, and that probably cost him a TdF...

EDIT : JF.Bernard was probably on EPO at Banesto in 1991-1994

 

["Jeff"]

Re:

Thierry Marie won a stage of an epo-fuelled Tour after riding solo for more than 200 km.
I still remember doped up teams (not riders) desperately trying to chase him down at the end of the stage.

1991 was not EPO fuelled and Marie once was +20 minutus up front. So now we know you have remembered nothing.

Marie, Gayant, Bernard, french champions of corticosteroids, ask Kimmage regarding Claveyrolat
Chozas, Fuerte, Cubino, dodgy spanish teams
Nijdam, in dirtiest dutch team behind PDM
Van Hooydonck, Mottet, Boyer, yes, probably clean (but Mottet confessed taking amphetamines for crits)
And most of all, Zimmermann, yes, the cleanest despite being in Conconi's team, he only ate organic food, seeds, and that probably cost him a TdF...

EDIT : JF.Bernard was probably on EPO at Banesto in 1991-1994

This is so simple. Indurain, doped, so the whole Banesto team was. Marie, Gayant, doped, just ask Kimmage and RIP Claveyrolat. Nijdam, doped because he rode for the dirtiest dutch team behind PDM. Fuerte, Chozas, doped, because they rode for ONCE, a team that just started. Laughable. You dont need to agree with it, but this is such a bull.

Please come up with your list of names. I can do the same about any rider. Every rider somehow has a link with doping/bad management/suspicious director, EVERY rider.

 

[the delgados]

Jeff,
You are right. I thought the epic solo attack took place at a later date. My apologies.

 

[Gregga]

Re: Re:

[quote=""Jeff"":32nmhdz2]This is so simple. Indurain, doped, so the whole Banesto team was. Marie, Gayant, doped, just ask Kimmage and RIP Claveyrolat. Nijdam, doped because he rode for the dirtiest dutch team behind PDM. Fuerte, Chozas, doped, because they rode for ONCE, a team that just started. Laughable. You dont need to agree with it, but this is such a bull.

Please come up with your list of names. I can do the same about any rider. Every rider somehow has a link with doping/bad management/suspicious director, EVERY rider.[/quote]

At least, Bernard took so much Synacten for Ventoux '87 that he was blocked for the next week, that's pretty well documented (Roche's soigneurs fooled him, saying Roche would take a crazy amount of corticos, which was false - maybe Roche had a blood bag instead). I don't exactly know what he was on in 1991 at Banesto, but it was an impressive "renaissance", and in 1992 he was flying during the whole spring (including LBL). And it's a chance he's still alive, given his post retirement addictions, related or not what he took as a pro rider.

 

[jens_attacks]

Jeff definitely on epo for his col d'eze ascents
And a cortico maniac, it is well known

Lale cubino worked with fuentes

 

[jens_attacks]

To be ontopic:

Thomas dekker, after the comeback

 

[Gregga]

Re:

Lale cubino worked with fuentes

Cubino was Vino before Vino, working with both Fuentes and Ferrari by accident
http://www.dopeology.org/people/Laudelino_Cubino/

 

["Jeff"]

Re: Re:

Jeff definitely on epo for his col d'eze ascents
And a cortico maniac, it is well known

Please show me this well known documentation. Let me be the first to say, that you probably will come up with nothing.

 

[SeriousSam]

I'm interested in what others regard as convincing evidence that an athlete never used banned performance enhancing drugs at any point. For those that give serious answers, please don't just state names, also give the reason as to why you think an athlete was/is clean.

 

[Gregga]

Re: Re:

[quote=""Jeff"":24z9jiro]
This is something I notice with a lot of here. A lot of ''research'' on the internet and via books but very little live expierence. If you would have watched it or followed his career path, than there's a lot more behind it, than just repeating what the internet says.[/quote]

If you like I can share a real life experience with this great guy : Bonette, TdF '93, I was at the top with a young 15yo cycling fan friend of mine who shouted "this is Jeff, allez Jeff, allez Jeff". Bernard replied "Ta gueule petit con !".

I'm sure you know enough of french to get how despicable this guy is, doped or not, and to understand I don't rely on internet to have an opinion on a rider