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Who's The Best All-Round Rider In Pro Cycling?

Oct 11, 2011
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This has probably been discussed before but I came up with what I thought was a fairly interesting thought experiment and I was wondering what people thought on it.

Imagine:

1. A new stage race open to all riders. It sits alone in the calendar and is easily the most sought after prize in pro cycling eclipsing the TDF, Worlds and Olympics. All the best riders will race it and prepare accordingly to peak for the race.

2. The race is raced over the course of a month with days in between each stage so that recovery isn't a problem for riders.

3. The race consists of an equal number of stages that demonstrate all the necessary skills for a pro racer: Flat sprints, hilly sprints, cobbled stages, hilly classic stages, flat and hilly time-trials, and hill and mountain top finishes.

4. The race is not decided on time but points for position finished. every rider in the race gets at least one point. So if there was a 200 strong peloton, on any one stage the winner of the stage would get 200 points, the last placed rider 1 point (for the sake of this thought experiment, there is no such thing as a crash or withdrawal).

5. There are no teams as such. Every rider races for himself.

I think this is a rational way to think about who the best all-round rider is. Contador might win the MTF's and do well in TT's and classic type races thus picking up a lot of points. However, he might come halfway down the field in the sprint stages. Likewise, Cancellara, Sagan and Gilbert would do well in their best disciplines but might not be in the top 100 on MTF's. What is needed is a rider who could potentially finish top 20 to 30 on every single "stage" whilst excelling at some stages.

My choice is not going to be very popular in some quarters hereabouts, but I do think that Bradley Wiggins fits the bill. He's not a bad guy for a flat sprint stage, his pace at the end yesterday suggests that a top twenty/thirty on flat sprint stages is not beyond him. TT's speak for themselves and he'd likely be top 10 to 15 on MTF's. He's not in the top echelon for classic type stages but again has the ability to not be too far down the order. The only type of racing I'm unsure of for him are the cobbles. This isn't just Wiggins fanboy-ism - I struggled to think of anyone else who could finish top 20-30 on every type of stage.

So am I wrong on Wiggins? Who am I missing?

And for what it's worth, I'm not suggesting that BW is the best rider in the real world peloton, just that his skillset is arguably the most diverse thus making him the best all-rounder.
 
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Your suggesting that Wiggins would be able to get a good result without wheel sucking the rest of his team?
 
Oct 11, 2011
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Marcus135 said:
Your suggesting that Wiggins would be able to get a good result without wheel sucking the rest of his team?

Well I suppose at least he wheel sucks his own team rather than others (thinking of a soon to be former TDF winner here). As a serious answer, yes I do do. He's shown in this race and the Dauphine that when he needs to, he can comfortably work for himself (the first few stages of this tour, the EBH leadout yesterday, closing down an Evans breakaway in the Dauphine and a Nibali break two days ago). It just so happens that "wheel sucking" one's own team just happens to be a particularly effective way of winning as this TDF has potentially proven.
 
Jun 16, 2009
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mscaviy2601 said:
Well I suppose at least he wheel sucks his own team rather than others (thinking of a soon to be former TDF winner here). As a serious answer, yes I do do. He's shown in this race and the Dauphine that when he needs to, he can comfortably work for himself (the first few stages of this tour, the EBH leadout yesterday, closing down an Evans breakaway in the Dauphine and a Nibali break two days ago). It just so happens that "wheel sucking" one's own team just happens to be a particularly effective way of winning as this TDF has potentially proven.

When did those incidents happen?
 
Oct 11, 2011
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auscyclefan94 said:
When did those incidents happen?

for Evans in the Dauphine, I don't remember the exact stage but on one summit, Evans was in a group ahead of the Wiggins group and Wiggins rode across to the Evans group as they went over the summit. As for Nibali, when Froome "blew up" a couple of days ago.

And FWIW, I think you're Cadel Evans answer earlier is probably going to the best alternative to my own suggestion. Full of admiration for a very ballsy rider.
 
Jul 14, 2009
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Chavanel, Cancellera, Devolder, Spilak, or Sagan in a couple of years. Wiggins would be annihilated on the cobbles. And he'd be pretty poor in the flat sprints.
 
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mscaviy2601 said:
3. The race consists of an equal number of stages that demonstrate all the necessary skills for a pro racer: Flat sprints, hilly sprints, cobbled stages, hilly classic stages, flat and hilly time-trials, and hill and mountain top finishes.

You need to add a technical descent stage, and a technical finali stage.

4. The race is not decided on time but points for position finished. every rider in the race gets at least one point. So if there was a 200 strong peloton, on any one stage the winner of the stage would get 200 points, the last placed rider 1 point (for the sake of this thought experiment, there is no such thing as a crash or withdrawal).

So a rider finishing dead last one day can end up at 100th place if he wins the second day?

5. There are no teams as such. Every rider races for himself.

So no rider will try to ask lesser riders to help them win through under the table pay offs you will never ever find out about?
 
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ElChingon said:
You need to add a technical descent stage, and a technical finali stage.



So a rider finishing dead last one day can end up at 100th place if he wins the second day?



So no rider will try to ask lesser riders to help them win through under the table pay offs you will never ever find out about?

1. Fine by me.

2. Yes. But a rider finishing 30th on both days would get 340 points compared to the 201 points your rider would get. It's not about determining the best rider at any one discipline but the best at all the disciplines.

3. It's a thought experiment. What might happen in the real world doesn't come in to it
 
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ericthesportsman6 said:
Chavanel, Cancellera, Devolder, Spilak, or Sagan in a couple of years. Wiggins would be annihilated on the cobbles. And he'd be pretty poor in the flat sprints.

Devolder and Spilak...

Spilak maybe but he has to show something first and his TT still seems to be improving, at the moment Chavanel is a pretty good bet but his climbing of the high stuff is too weak.

I would say the rider has to be able to properly be capable of climbing mountains and therefore we are looking more at Contador who can sprint, descend, do well in Ardennes, climb and TT.
 
iZnoGouD said:
Edvald Boasson Hagen


I was surpsrised not to see him mentioned on the first page.

For me this is the right answer. In good form and in good circumstances he can win or be close in almost every race. EBH is at least good in every part of cycling sport (TT, mountains, sprint, cobbles, hills)

The second bet is Sagan.


BTW it would be great to see a 4 stages race to decide who the bedst allrounder is ( long TT, L-B-L like hills,hard mountain stage,and Roubaix like cobbles)
 
ericthesportsman6 said:
Chavanel, Cancellera, Devolder, Spilak, or Sagan in a couple of years. Wiggins would be annihilated on the cobbles. And he'd be pretty poor in the flat sprints.

And he's never shown anything during the hilly classics.
Actually all he's capable of is stage races which he does very well, but he's far from the most all round rider.
 
I had actually seen one imaginary competition touring some famous routes. Mostly for the usually top GC men but some exceptions. This was based on time.

It was something like this:

MTT Santuario di Oropa
TTT on Chrono des Nations route
Mountain stage ending in Alpe d'Huez
Mountain stage ending in Alto de L'Angliru
Giro di Lombardia
La Fleche Wallonne
Paris-Roubaix
Flat stage ending in Champs-Élysées

When he was on top of his game I think rider like Stijn Devolder would have been really good in this. He would have lost a little in the mountains but likely destroying most competitors in Paris-Roubaix. Also a good TT rider at his peak.
 
auscyclefan94 said:
Cadel Evans.

Have to agree here. I think he wouldn't do too badly on the cobbles, is a reasonably good sprinter, and world class uphill sprinter, good climber, good ITT, competes for the win in hilly classics. Only rider that comes close would be Valverde, but his form since his comeback is less than stellar.

I'm talking about a good allrounder, mind you. I am personally also an allrounder, equally bad at everything.
 
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