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Why Alberto Contador will never be a champion for the ages

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Alberto Contador is a great rider who makes for very entertaining racing. His never-give-up attitude has made him a fan favourite, and rightly so. But he'll never be a champion for the ages, like Hinault or Merckx were. Why?

First of all, because he's missed out on an entire half of cycling: monuments and classics. The only one-day race of note Contador has won is a Milan-Turin, while the aforementioned Hinault and Merckx racked up one monument win after the other. Furthermore, both of them became world champions too. Jacques Anquetil too won important classics and set a new Hour Record to boot. Contador still has time to correct this, but it seems very unlikely he'll ever win anything better than a Flèche Wallonne.

Second, and most importantly, while he's collected several Grand Tour wins, most of them have important caveats that undermine Contador's claim to being a legend. Let's have a look at them:

2008 Giro d'Italia: A fine win by Contador, that's for sure. But a legend-class win? No way! He didn't even manage to put 3 minutes into such Grand Tour "all-time greats" as Marzio Bruseghin and Franco Pellizotti! As I said, he was a worthy winner of the race... but not a fantastic one.

2008 Vuelta a España: After Leipheimer's surge in the final time trial, one of only two stages in which Levi could really ride for himself, Contador's winning margin dwindled to 31", just two seconds more he had taken in time bonuses. Levi and Alberto were almost tied in real time! Now, consider the fact that Leipheimer had worked his *** off for Contador, and the fact that Leipheimer was forced to stay behind with Alberto's rivals when the latter attacked (out of fear of dragging them back onto Alberto's wheel), and it seems quite likely that Leipheimer would've won the race if he hadn't been Contador's domestique. A true cycling legend wins because he's the best, not because the best has been neutered as his domestique.

2009 Tour de France: Possibly the best GT win in Contador's career. He won the race with a dominant performance. However, the lack of serious competition does detract somewhat from his triumph. Who came in third? A living fossil. Who came in fourth and fifth? Two guys unable to unseat a living fossil. But even so, if all of Contador's wins had been like this one, there'd be fewer qualms about his claim to legendhood.

2010 Tour de France: He's been stripped of it, but let's have a look at it nevertheless. The asterisk on this one is pretty big: he won the race thanks to the Chaingate episode. Whether it was a malicious, deliberate attack or a serendipitous coincidence, a true cycling legend doesn't win simply because he attacked his rival when he had a mechanical.

2011 Giro d'Italia: He's been stripped of it too. If he'd got to keep it, it would be the best GT win of his career. If all his wins had been like this one (and he hadn't tested positive), he would undoubtedly be on Merckx-Hinault-Anquetil level. But they weren't... and technically he didn't even win this one.

And that's all, folks. Is Contador an awesome rider? Yes. Is he the best GT rider of the 21st century so far? Very likely. Is he a legend of cycling for the ages? Absolutely not.
 
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Considering only 6 riders have won all 3 Grand Tours and one of them is Nibali I don't see how Contador could not be a champion for the ages.
 
not ready yet

says it all lol

ALBERTO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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JRTK73 said:
Considering only 6 riders have won all 3 Grand Tours and one of them is Nibali I don't see how Contador could not be a champion for the ages.
To become a champion for the ages, it's not just about how much you win, it's also about how you win it.
 
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inri2000 said:
Obviously a troll
You could have:

A) waited to read my arguments and then counter them with your own; or
B) use an ad-hom against me.

That you chose option B strongly suggests you have no arguments to counter mine.
 
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@OP
Why do you only selectively mention the field of each GT? The field in the 2011 Giro was much worse than the 2009 Tour, where the guys on the podium together arguably won 10 Tours. Living fossil or not.

One could also say that riders until the early '80s can never be legends because of the lack of decent competition, like you have today. Italians, Spaniards and Colombians were later to join the party.

Anyways, Contador = legend.
 
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Pentacycle said:
@OP
Why do you only selectively mention the field of each GT? The field in the 2011 Giro was much worse than the 2009 Tour, where the guys on the podium together arguably won 10 Tours. Living fossil or not.
Yeah, but beating 2009 Armstrong is far less impressive than beating, say, 2004 Armstrong, don't you agree?
 
He had one bad year in 2013, which happens to everyone. This year he has proven to be back to his best, but then he had the worst luck of his career yet and crashed out.

The sport of road cycling is a sport built on legends and heroism. Contador has won GT's in which he was by far the best and he has won GT's in which others were better than him. That's the true mark of a champion. He always races to win, and if he doesn't win, he usually goes down in a heroic and legendary way. You know what he did after he lost the Tour in 2011, you know what he did when he lost a **** race like Paris Nice in 2009.

Nowadays it's impossible to be dominant both in Classics and in GT's. Evans won a rainbow jersey when all stars alligned for him, Schleck one LBL and Valverde won a couple of monuments and worlds medals mostly cause of his sprinting pedigree. Are you really judging a guy cause he chooses to do what he's best at?
 
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It seems bizarre that the 2012 Veulta could be used against Alberto. That race and the way he won it showed just how brilliant he was. He found a way to win when he should have been well beaten.

If Contador isn't a legend then who has been since 1990?
 
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Why Contador always will be a legend:
Alberto showed time after time that he can return from massive losses, would it be mental or physical. He showed he can win not only by being the strongest, but also the bravest and the tactical best rider (Vuelta '12). He is one of the toughest riders ever, and showed that he is born with a fighter inside of him. He even rode up a mountain with a broken tibia in this year tour. All of this is something people gonna remember. And then add his palmeres, and you have a recipe for a cycling legend
 
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Too late. He already is a legend.

About the classics: It's obviously another period in cycling. I doubt there will be another rider ever again who can win a lot of GTs (7 is a lot) as well as several monuments.
 
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Alright, let's do this.

HyperMartin said:
First of all, because he's missed out on an entire half of cycling: monuments and classics.

Don't have to say the same thing twice

HyperMartin said:
2007 Tour: An obvious one. The "Chicken" Rasmussen had clearly been the stronger rider throughout the Tour and, if Contador has anyone to thank for winning this Tour, it's the management of the Rabobank team. A true cycling legend doesn't win the race only because the strongest rider was withdrawn.

True, you've point here, sadly enough it can't be said for your other statements.

HyperMartin said:
Furthermore, Contador "won" the Tour by only 23". But do you know how many time bonuses Contador got? 24" more than Evans! So Alberto wasn't even the strongest rider in real time. A true cycling legend wins à la pédale, not thanks to time bonuses.

Oh here it begins. Did you happen to see the tignes stage, the stage Rasmussen wins? If not watch the stage again and look who gets a flat tire at the end which cost him about 1 minute since i'm sure he would have been able to follow mayo.

HyperMartin said:
2008 Giro d'Italia: A fine win by Contador, that's for sure. But a legend-class win? No way! He didn't even manage to put 3 minutes into such Grand Tour "all-time greats" as Marzio Bruseghin and Franco Pellizotti! As I said, he was a worthy winner of the race... but not a fantastic one.

Winning a GT with almost no prepartion is almost unheard off in these times. It's one of his most impressive ones. He won the race without being the best in the mountains. That's one of the things all the legends possess, win a race any other rider would have prob lost. This is one of Contador's biggest strengths, somehow he's almost always able to pull it off. Vuelta 2012 is another example.

Vuelta 2008, you're right about that. In his defence the route sucked really hard, almost no mountains at all. Then again we've no idea how Contador would have raced if levi wasn't in his team.

HyperMartin said:
2009 Tour de France: Possibly the best GT win in Contador's career. He won the race with a dominant performance. However, the lack of serious competition does detract somewhat from his triumph. Who came in third? A living fossil. Who came in fourth and fifth? Two guys unable to unseat a living fossil. But even so, if all of Contador's wins had been like this one, there'd be fewer qualms about his claim to legendhood.

Destroyed everyone with 1 finger in his nose and with a **** route but somehow you still attempt to downgrade his victory.

HyperMartin said:
2010 Tour de France: He's been stripped of it, but let's have a look at it nevertheless. The asterisk on this one is pretty big: he won the race thanks to the Chaingate episode. Whether it was a malicious, deliberate attack or a serendipitous coincidence, a true cycling legend doesn't win simply because he attacked his rival when he had a mechanical.

In this post you made the same mistake as in the tour '07. Watch the cobbles stage again. Who lost time cause of a mechanical at the end? Make sure you do your research correctly when you make a thread.

Btw Merckx and Hinault said they would have done the same in Contador's place. His only mistake was to lie and say he didn't see Andy's chain problem.

HyperMartin said:
2011 Giro d'Italia: He's been stripped of it too. If he'd got to keep it, it would be the best GT win of his career. If all his wins had been like this one (and he hadn't tested positive), he would undoubtedly be on Merckx-Hinault-Anquetil level. But they weren't... and technically he didn't even win this one.

So this one doesn't count for his legacy? I disagree, he was never caught for doping in that race, it definitely counts for me. Tour 2010 on the other hand...

HyperMartin said:
2012 Vuelta a España: He was very clearly not the strongest rider in the race. Very. Indeed, even in the Fuente Dé stage he put very little time into Rodríguez in those parts he was riding alone (about 25" on the climb and a similar amount on the previous flat). Put bluntly, Contador only won the race because his Saxo teammates + Tiralongo took some monstruous pulls for him on the flat. Put bluntly, Tiralongo, Hernández and the other Saxo guy won the race for him. So, while he certainly merits a huge applause for the tactical coup, Contador's win was in no way cycling legend-class. A true cycling legend doesn't need his teammates to win the race for him.

Contador used his team to their full potential, he used a stage to its full potential. He surprised purito completely. Those seems to be the characterics great cyclists should have. Contador won a GT for mountain sprinters while he's a meh sprinter on it. Btw it's funny how you don't count the boni sec here but in tour '07 and vuelta '08 you did it. Do it in this one and see who would be leader before fuente de :eek:

Btw let's ignore all Contador's impressive victories in the 1 week stage races....
 
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BigMac said:
Not all classics are monuments.

But all monuments are classics, he didn't mention 1 week stage races so what's the point of mentioning lower rate classics then?
 
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BigMac said:
Great post, OP! Don't mind the fanboys. Even Cadel is more legendary from my point of view. Valverde too.

What, pray tell, does your point of view consist of?
 
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