Why does Paul Kimmage no longer work for the Sunday Times?

[onetofifteen]

Apologies if this has been discussed in another thread. I couldn't find mention of it.

In this interview with velonation:

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/1...rue-winners-of-those-Tours.aspx#ixzz25bbqlVex

he says the following:

"Unfortunately, the only action they take is against people like me. I’m currently unemployed…anti-doping is not profitable and it’s not popular, and it’s pretty appalling that I’m deemed to be the problem.

Well, if I am the problem here, that’s reflective for me of them as people, and of the organisation, and of the mess the sport is in."

Does anyone have more info?

 

[the big ring]

Does anyone have more info?

jfgi?

http://www.sportsjournalists.co.uk/jobs/kimmage-and-hawkey-cut-from-sunday-times-sport/

 

[Darryl Webster]

jfgi?

http://www.sportsjournalists.co.uk/jobs/kimmage-and-hawkey-cut-from-sunday-times-sport/

And Sunday Times just happens to be owned by Sky owner Rupert Murdock.
How convenient

 

[hiero2]

Well, I am going to be sure and try and read both Kimmage books mentioned. Just because.

And asfaic, Murdock should be in prison, not a free man. Talk about ****ers.

 

[Parker]

And Sunday Times just happens to be owned by Sky owner Rupert Murdock.
How convenient

And yet the Chief Sports Reporter for the Sunday Times is still David Walsh.

Print media is shedding jobs all over the world. Many papers are going to wall. Lots of jobs are being lost. Kimmage isn't immune just because this forum loves him.

 

[AcademyCC]

And yet the Chief Sports Reporter for the Sunday Times is still David Walsh.

Print media is shedding jobs all over the world. Many papers are going to wall. Lots of jobs are being lost. Kimmage isn't immune just because this forum loves him.

+1 three other times journalists lost their jobs at same time. Unfortunate but just the sign of our times, nothing more.

 

[onetofifteen]

+1 three other times journalists lost their jobs at same time. Unfortunate but just the sign of our times, nothing more.

So you don't think Kimmage was implying anything when he said "Unfortunately, the only action they take is against people like me. I’m currently unemployed…anti-doping is not profitable and it’s not popular"?

Also, speaking of David Walsh, with all this news of Armstrong coming out and how Walsh was right all along, I haven't seen or heard him raise any suspicions about Sky, despite the parallels with USPS. Could it be that he is afraid of losing his job?

 

[benny_profane]

So you don't think Kimmage was implying anything when he said "Unfortunately, the only action they take is against people like me. I’m currently unemployed…anti-doping is not profitable and it’s not popular"?

Also, speaking of David Walsh, with all this news of Armstrong coming out and how Walsh was right all along, I haven't seen or heard him raise any suspicions about Sky, despite the parallels with USPS. Could it be that he is afraid of losing his job?

Probably more to do with the fact that if he wrote an article accusing Sky of doping it would never get past the paper's legal team. I guess that's part of Kimmage's point when he says 'anti-doping is not profitable'.

 

[AcademyCC]

So you don't think Kimmage was implying anything when he said "Unfortunately, the only action they take is against people like me. I’m currently unemployed…anti-doping is not profitable and it’s not popular"?

Also, speaking of David Walsh, with all this news of Armstrong coming out and how Walsh was right all along, I haven't seen or heard him raise any suspicions about Sky, despite the parallels with USPS. Could it be that he is afraid of losing his job?

Re read that section of the article, he's not talking about the times, he's talking about the UCI and the omertà in pro cycling. It is unfortunate though, apart from being an advocate for anti doping, he was a dam good sports journalist. His interviews were the first page I turned to in the Sunday times.

Walsh was on talksport during the week. He destroyed Armstrong but did finish off with a comment about sky, basically said we should always
ask questions or else cyclists will dope.

 

[JPM London]

So you don't think Kimmage was implying anything when he said "Unfortunately, the only action they take is against people like me. I’m currently unemployed…anti-doping is not profitable and it’s not popular"?

There are several possibilities here...

1) No matter what the realities are, PK could still very much feel the motivation was different.

2) He could be implying - not that he lost his job over it, but that it's not made him immune. IOW that AD-stance is not a guarantee of work.

3) Hard times are not necessarily the only reasons people get laid-off.

All three are possible - I tend to believe either one or two...

 

[levione]

He lost his job, as someone else mentioned, because there were a number of redundancies at that point in time.

Ther reason why David Walsh hasn't written articles attacking Sky is because many of the parallels with Postal exist only in the fevered fantasies of posters on here. Whilst there has been a lot of new evidence coming out regarding Armstrong from recent court cases and books, the earliest evidence has been out there for years, such as the issue of failed tests in 1999.

No matter how much some people would like it be so, there isn't anything out there to print about Sky.

You can't go put out articles saying "it all looks a little suspicious to me."

If there was any evidence to implicate Wiggins, Sky or anyone else in British sport, it would be all oiver the press before you could whip off Kate Middleton's bikini top. The British (and I am one) love nothing more than to raise up our heroes just to knock them down. It's been something of a national sport over the years. Scandal sells. The fact that there hasn't been so much as a sniff, in even the raggiest of rags, tells me that ther eis nothing out there to write about.

I'm not saying that they're all clean (I hope they are, I think they are,but how can anyone know), but that the absence of articles is not part of some conspiracy run by Rupert Murdoch.

 

[kingjr]

The British (and I am one) love nothing more than to raise up our heroes just to knock them down. It's been something of a national sport over the years.

It's the same in Germany (where I'm from) and in most other countries. So it's a pretty international sport

 

[Cycle Chic]

No matter how much some people would like it be so, there isn't anything out there to print about Sky.

You can't go put out articles saying "it all looks a little suspicious to me."

If there was any evidence to implicate Wiggins, Sky or anyone else in British sport, it would be all oiver the press...

I'm not saying that they're all clean (I hope they are, I think they are,but how can anyone know), but that the absence of articles is not part of some conspiracy run by Rupert Murdoch.

Well derrr errrrr.....go read a few Threads before you come here writing that drivel.

 

[levione]

I have read a lot of threads thank you.

It's not drivel. I was actually being pretty equivocal. Why be rude and aggressive?

I'm saying that I think they're clean but how can anyone know until concrete evidence emerges to suggest otherwise?

There are a number of people on here who believe they kmow, but their views are based on a mix of supposition and prejudice.

If it ever emerges through failed tests, evidence from files in labs, recorded conversations, evidence from team mates etc that Sky doped, I will be the first to condemn them. Until that point I won't.

 

[frenchfry]

Probably more to do with the fact that if he wrote an article accusing Sky of doping it would never get past the paper's legal team. I guess that's part of Kimmage's point when he says 'anti-doping is not profitable'.

That's because Sky is all about incremental gains. For example, if Motoman trades up from a 500cc to an 800cc motorcycle.

 

[LauraLyn]

I have read a lot of threads thank you.

It's not drivel. I was actually being pretty equivocal. Why be rude and aggressive?

I'm saying that I think they're clean but how can anyone know until concrete evidence emerges to suggest otherwise?

There are a number of people on here who believe they kmow, but their views are based on a mix of supposition and prejudice.

If it ever emerges through failed tests, evidence from files in labs, recorded conversations, evidence from team mates etc that Sky doped, I will be the first to condemn them. Until that point I won't.

Hi. Welcome. I don't agree with you. I think many of the things that Wiggins has said along with his behavior in interviews allow for reasonable suspicion. Also the doctor Sky hired and its general lack of follow-up to its stated transparency also raise reasonable questions about Sky and doping.

Nonetheless you are right that there is no evidence, only suspicion. And you are certainly right to argue that people should not jump to conclusions.

You shouldn't be deterred by the aggressive responses you mentioned or by a feeling that you need to be part of a group think. This Forum is only enriched by a diversity of viewpoints. It is undermined by the moments when a lack of tolerance is shown for those who would contribute something different.

 

[Cycle Chic]

Hi. Welcome.

You shouldn't be deterred by the aggressive responses you mentioned or by a feeling that you need to be part of a group think. This Forum is only enriched by a diversity of viewpoints. It is undermined by the moments when a lack of tolerance is shown for those who would contribute something different.

Yes welcome to The Fold of Laura Lyn - I will cherish you my child and guide you....All Hail Laura Lyn

 

[Velodude]

Yes welcome to The Fold of Laura Lyn - I will cherish you my child and guide you....All Hail Laura Lyn

Who joined the forum in July 2012 (the month Armstrong was initially required to make a decision whether to fight USADA charges or fold - 30 day extension agreed in light of Fed Court skirmish).

LL starts posting on 24 August 2012 - the date Armstrong folded.

LL has contributed over the next 24 days 564 posts (record?) tacitly claiming expertise and knowledge in all areas of substance, trivia and foreign languages raised about deity Armstrong.

 

[sittingbison]

...If it ever emerges through failed tests, evidence from files in labs, recorded conversations, evidence from team mates etc that Sky doped, I will be the first to condemn them. Until that point I won't.

levione, the sad truth is there is rarely a smoking gun. As USADA attorney Bock wrote to Fat Pat, only one of the other placegetters during Lances disgraced reign was caught in flagrante delicto so to speak. Then there are the Marion Jones et al.

There is much more to consider than failed tests. Thats why there is a 5000+ post Sky thread, plus several Wiggo ones and a couple on Froome.

 

[TubularBills]

I have read a lot of threads thank you.

It's not drivel. I was actually being pretty equivocal. Why be rude and aggressive?

I'm saying that I think they're clean but how can anyone know until concrete evidence emerges to suggest otherwise?

There are a number of people on here who believe they kmow, but their views are based on a mix of supposition and prejudice.

If it ever emerges through failed tests, evidence from files in labs, recorded conversations, evidence from team mates etc that Sky doped, I will be the first to condemn them. Until that point I won't.

Brits Don't Cheat.

Tom Simpson.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4viqf-qL9I

Chris Boardman.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3VVVHk5_xM

David Millar.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2004/jul/02/cycling.tourdefrance2004

Rob Hayles.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/cycling/2295587/Rob-Hayles-fails-blood-test.html

Bradley Wiggins.

UK Track.

http://cyclinginfo.co.uk/blog/5694/procycling/why-are-british-cycling-so-successful/

Dig a little.

 

[Maxiton]

levione, the sad truth is there is rarely a smoking gun. As USADA attorney Bock wrote to Fat Pat, only one of the other placegetters during Lances disgraced reign was caught in flagrante delicto so to speak. Then there are the Marion Jones et al.

There is much more to consider than failed tests. Thats why there is a 5000+ post Sky thread, plus several Wiggo ones and a couple on Froome.

No, but there is a smoking Tour champ. Which in this case is not all that different.

 

[King Of The Wolds]

Brits Don't Cheat.

Tom Simpson.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4viqf-qL9I

Chris Boardman.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3VVVHk5_xM

David Millar.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2004/jul/02/cycling.tourdefrance2004

Rob Hayles.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/cycling/2295587/Rob-Hayles-fails-blood-test.html

Bradley Wiggins.

UK Track.

http://cyclinginfo.co.uk/blog/5694/procycling/why-are-british-cycling-so-successful/

Dig a little.

A link to Boardman winning his Big G, an article celebrating the successes of the GB track team and Wiggo enjoying a well deserved go on something which doesn't enhance performance. WTF?

 

[D-Queued]

A link to Boardman winning his Big G, an article celebrating the successes of the GB track team and Wiggo enjoying a well deserved go on something which doesn't enhance performance. WTF?

While I, too, am looking forward to the dot connections, you can't be serious about supporting Mary Jane?

This forum was all over Phelps a short while ago, and his 'well deserved go on something' almost cut his career short.

Setting aside whether it is banned or not*, it represents very poor decision making for someone so prominent in the public eye at a time when the UK is hosting the big party.

Now, if he were an immature teen, that would be something. But, he just won the Tour and the Olympic Gold, and he is on the other side of what we used to call the Generation Gap.

Many fingers get pointed around here at the United States, often deservedly so, for hypocrisy on doping. But, as Phelps underscores, this would not be tolerated on this side of the pond. Why is it tolerated on the 'Isles?

*The rules, of course, have been enforced and a judoka was disqualified at London 2012 for testing positive for marijuana.

Wiggins is an idiot, and these pictures indicate that he was partaking of a banned substance. Perhaps someone should send the pictures to WADA and have him face the consequences.

Dave.

 

[samerics]

Boardman is a cheat how exactly? And Wiggins smoking a roll up, dodgy or otherwise, is proof of what?? Absolute paranoia and idiocy. 9/11 was an inside job, right??

 

[Dr. Maserati]

While I, too, am looking forward to the dot connections, you can't be serious about supporting Mary Jane?

This forum was all over Phelps a short while ago, and his 'well deserved go on something' almost cut his career short.

Setting aside whether it is banned or not*, it represents very poor decision making for someone so prominent in the public eye at a time when the UK is hosting the big party.

Now, if he were an immature teen, that would be something. But, he just won the Tour and the Olympic Gold, and he is on the other side of what we used to call the Generation Gap.

Many fingers get pointed around here at the United States, often deservedly so, for hypocrisy on doping. But, as Phelps underscores, this would not be tolerated on this side of the pond. Why is it tolerated on the 'Isles?

*The rules, of course, have been enforced and a judoka was disqualified at London 2012 for testing positive for marijuana.

Wiggins is an idiot, and these pictures indicate that he was partaking of a banned substance. Perhaps someone should send the pictures to WADA and have him face the consequences.

Dave.

To the highlighted - pretty simple, not everyone (or country) has the absurd notions of the US.
You appear to confuse PEDs with recreational drugs.