Why doesn't the booing of dopers get reported?

[Mrs John Murphy]

It's funny but you read report after report of dopers being welcomed back to the sport, we hear about reaction from teams, riders and officials - with the exception of punching bags like Ricco, its the usual 'blah, blah'. We hear Dertie tell us about all the heart felt support he's got from his fans. Is it really that fans are so pleased to see dopers return?

Take for example this spring, Contador was booed at the sign in to FW, Vino was booed again yesterday and Cancellara was booed at RVV.

Why the silence and why the failure to report and reflect the fact that fans on ground don't like seeing dopers like Dertie, Vino and Cancellara at the races. The hacks don't seem to notice that while the teams, UCI, race organizers and other journalists don't mind dopers (other than Ricco) the fans do.

 

[blackcat]

MJM how many are booing for them fo0r getting caught, not the doping. How many at the sign in are oblivious. This is Orwellian. It suits the guys like Harmon, Ligget, Sherwen... who spout the meme of "few bad apples". Most at the sign in are pretty hardcore, are they gonna boo their own, like Dr Dave, Mr Bruylandts, or Dimitri De Fauw who committed suicide, he leaked how Lefevre was running the Quick Step program. Boos seem to be partisan and along nationalist lines, from concocted media narratives. Rasmussen was going down months before the Tour. I heard about those stories, before they broke. They needed a sign off from upstairs at the UCI and Danish cycling. Most of the plebs like us are hoodwinked to tell u the thruth

 

[The Hitch]

Take for example this spring, Contador was booed at the sign in to FW, Vino was booed again yesterday and Cancellara was booed at RVV.

Huh?
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[Mrs John Murphy]

I agree, but I found the booing of Cancellara instructive. He hasn't been caught but was getting booed.

People don't like seeing Dertie racing, or Vino riding.

The media presents it as if people are throwing flowers in front of Dertie because everyone is so pleased to see him back - when this is clearly not the case. It's a whitewash.

Needless to say it's all part of the cycling media's attitude of 'nothing negative or critical about anyone - as we want some more exclusive interviews and press releases'.

If it might cause problems then it won't get reported.

The Hitch - Cancellara was booed at RVV during the race.

 

[The Hitch]

The Hitch - Cancellara was booed at RVV during the race.

The point is I doubt it was for doping.

Im pretty sure he does dope but it is far more understandable that fans would boo Vino and Contador. Cancellara is a bit more complicated.

 

[blackcat]

The point is I doubt it was for doping.

Im pretty sure he does dope but it is far more understandable that fans would boo Vino and Contador. Cancellara is a bit more complicated.

motor doping hitchy

 

[hrotha]

Well, without having been there at the time to analyze the atmosphere, my first reaction is to think they weren't booing a doper, they were booing the big bad guy who was out to crush their Flemish heroes at their sacred race. Regardless, Cancellara is just an example, MJM could have mentioned any other rider, so it's kind of beside the point.

 

[L'arriviste]

Well, without having been there at the time to analyze the atmosphere, my first reaction is to think they weren't booing a doper, they were booing the big bad guy who was out to crush their Flemish heroes at their sacred race. Regardless, Cancellara is just an example, MJM could have mentioned any other rider, so it's kind of beside the point.

+1. This is exactly why they were booing the Canc, but I think maybe MJM knew that.

It's sort of ironic given the subject of this thread because his being booed was almost entirely down to the way Canc was being called out by the Belgian media at that time.

Aside from that, I don't recall often hearing reporters comment on negative crowd reactions. That said, I wasn't watching cycling during the years where they painted needles on the road. Anyone in the commentary box mention that whenever the helicopter hovered over it?

 

[Jamsque]

What do the Tifosi think of Contador? I know he got his share of boos at Fleche, is he likely to receive the same treatment in Italy? Certainly on the German stages I'd expect some nastiness.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

italian fans don't care for doping, same with spain and netherlands. I know vino got booed in lbl and I heard nothing but tremendous shouting and ovatiosn for vino in giro amsterdam start. he even said it in interviews afterwards.

contador won't be booed in italy. they are cycling fans and no idiots

 

[hrotha]

italian fans don't care for doping, same with spain and netherlands. I know vino got booed in lbl and I heard nothing but tremendous shouting and ovatiosn for vino in giro amsterdam start. he even said it in interviews afterwards.

contador won't be booed in italy. they are cycling fans and no idiots

That's uncalled for. People who don't agree with you regarding Clinic issues are not idiots.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

That's uncalled for. People who don't agree with you regarding Clinic issues are not idiots.

I find it incredibly idiotic to boo vino and cheer leukemans as in belgium.

 

[Timmy-loves-Rabo]

That's uncalled for. People who don't agree with you regarding Clinic issues are not idiots.

Having integrity is clearly idiotism.

He is right that the Italians don't care tho.
Same with the dutch, when dekker returns he wont be frowned upon.

 

[hrotha]

I find it incredibly idiotic to boo vino and cheer leukemans as in belgium.

Fair enough and agreed but your original post used a broader brush.

 

[theyoungest]

Having integrity is clearly idiotism.

He is right that the Italians don't care tho.
Same with the dutch, when dekker returns he wont be frowned upon.

With Dekker I don't think it's the doping story that really matters to people, he has always been a bit too flamboyant for some, and I guess that won't change (I sure hope not, we don't need Dekker back if he's become boring and complacent )

I agree with Ryo that the hypocrisy in Belgium regarding Vino was painful to watch. Their national hero is Frank VDB, for crying out loud.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Fair enough and agreed but your original post used a broader brush.

because that's how it is in this (cycling)world. selective indignation. why is a rider like millar and basso widely respected and welcomed back while someone like rasmussen will never be coming back?

basso is absolutely the worst btw for lying about him "planning" to do epo but then decided not to, while he clearly won that giro on epo. he lied to keep his win and is now seen as a hero of some sorts. discgusting to say the least. so I for one welcome all dopers back with wide arms especially those who have the most enemy's and aren't asskissers like a basso

 

[The Hitch]

What do the Tifosi think of Contador? I know he got his share of boos at Fleche, is he likely to receive the same treatment in Italy? Certainly on the German stages I'd expect some nastiness.

Last year on the Zonc, all the sings said Basso and forza basso in big letters and people were screaming his name as he crossed the finish. At the presentation where they had the good 20 000 or so people in the Roman amphitheater, at the end the presenter shouted Ivan, and the whole crowd shouted "Basso"!!!.

On the other hand Contador hasnt been banned while Basso and Vino have served their time. But then again, neither have Garzelli and Pettachi and they joined Michelle Scarponi and I cant remember who else in the Giro presentation, so any boos for Contador should be presented more as an anti favourite/ anti non Italian, than anti doping.

because that's how it is in this (cycling)world. selective indignation. why is a rider like millar and basso widely respected and welcomed back while someone like rasmussen will never be coming back?

basso is absolutely the worst btw for lying about him "planning" to do epo but then decided not to, while he clearly won that giro on epo. he lied to keep his win and is now seen as a hero of some sorts. discgusting to say the least. so I for one welcome all dopers back with wide arms especially those who have the most enemy's and aren't asskissers like a basso

I thought you liked Basso. you at one point said you were 100% sure he no longer dopes.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

oh yeah he no longer dopes. but he's a lying asskisser worse than di luca. still compared to most I like his way of racing as despite the fact he has not an ounce of explosovity in his body he tries whatever he can to force the race. so in the race I don't hate him so much although there are riders I like a lot more

I don't know where I ever said I liked him though.

 

[boomcie]

I agree with Ryo that the hypocrisy in Belgium regarding Vino was painful to watch. Their national hero is Frank VDB, for crying out loud.

Frank is a tragic figure, a Byronic hero. Everybody knows his story and acknowledges his immense talent. Nobody can deny the many mistakes he made. He became a very sad figure toward the end of his life. For me, disliking the guy would be like kicking a cripple puppy. I can't help it. He inspired me when I was young and is probably the reason why I love cycling so much.

Vino on the other hand, I find blatantly arrogant in the way he treated his suspension. He rarely shows any weaknesses on the road and he is a real fighter. He is a villainous figure. Like many others I was not happy when he took LBL last year and I was cheering for Kolobnev.

Appart from Vino being an attractive rider, I don't see any reason why I'd like this ******. I find him not sympathetic at all.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

you don't understand a single thing from the culture of "russia" when you don't understand why and how vino dealed with his suspension.

I absolutely adore vdb and will always defend his "out of this world" talent and personality(similar to pantani) but how can you ever say you like vdb and not vino. if there is one rider today that is and should be inspiring young riders it's vino

 

[movingtarget]

Well, the booing of Vino after the LBL was reported last year and it could actually be heard as he was on the podium, as was the booing of Contador at the TDF last year. Have not heard anything similar this year.

 

[palmerq]

I moved a few of the posts from the giro thread in here, it all seems to be about the same thing, riders who doped getting booed.

 

[Fus087]

you don't understand a single thing from the culture of "russia" when you don't understand why and how vino dealed with his suspension.

Please do enlighten us about it then, instead of just putting that out there.

 

[Mrs John Murphy]

My point was that the press does its best to minimise or just ignores any hostile reaction by fans towards riders.

The only time negative coverage was highlighted was when the Uniballer was busy wrapping himself in the US flag and blaming anti-Americanism.

If Dertie is given the bird at the Giro will we hear about it? I doubt it. If there are needles painted on the road will we hear about it? I doubt it.

Movingtarget - fans who were at FW and LBL this week report that both Dertie and Vino were heavily booed when they were shown at the sign in. Neither of which was reported by the media. Which is IMO an example of the selective 'nothing critical' style of reporting we are lumbered with.

 

[Mongol_Waaijer]

as was the booing of Contador at the TDF last year

i think we know whose fans were responsible for this.