why is UCI still waiting?

[sniper]

This little press release says UCI are still waiting for the USADA file, and, counter to what UCI had hoped for, they might not be able to decide upon the Lance ban/strippping until after Valkenburg.
http://newsticker.sueddeutsche.de/list/id/1362513

So USADA still haven't sent UCI their report.
Why?

1. USADA is merely annoying UCI.
2. USADA lawyers are on holiday.
3. USADA don't have their (f)acts together (have been bluffing about the evidence).
4. the USADA report is going to slam UCI, so they are taking the time they need to get it straight.

 

[Tinman]

5. USADA want to wait for the full fall out from Tylers book, Johan Museeuws confession and JV's team members' doping. The flood gates are opening and it may provide additional evidence and build public support for its case
6. USADA don't want to give Pat an opportunity to declare the amnesty and "turn the page on the black era" at Valkenburg UCI meeting without bringing out the dirt. Better for Pat to play his hand first, then for USADA to declare theirs
7. USADA dont want Pat to have the last word, as Valkenburg will provide much media opportunity to UCI, and any coinciding USADA news will be diluted in the media
8. USADA want to firm up arrangements with WADA on how to go public with the information
9. USADA may be working on an arrangement with WADA (and/or UCI) we are not aware of

It makes total sense for USDADA to wait. This is not going away, unless the political interference becomes too dangerous.

 

[I Watch Cycling In July]

This little press release says UCI are still waiting for the USADA file, and, counter to what UCI had hoped for, they might not be able to decide upon the Lance ban/strippping until after Valkenburg.
http://newsticker.sueddeutsche.de/list/id/1362513

So USADA still haven't sent UCI their report.
Why?

1. USADA is merely annoying UCI.
2. USADA lawyers are on holiday.
3. USADA don't have their (f)acts together (have been bluffing about the evidence).
4. the USADA report is going to slam UCI, so they are taking the time they need to get it straight.

Think USADA said it would take some time to put their reasoned decision together because they have to strip out anything related to the cases going to arbitration. Maybe something about the overwhelming volume of it too...

 

[the big ring]

This little press release says UCI are still waiting for the USADA file, and, counter to what UCI had hoped for, they might not be able to decide upon the Lance ban/strippping until after Valkenburg.
http://newsticker.sueddeutsche.de/list/id/1362513

So USADA still haven't sent UCI their report.
Why?

1. USADA is merely annoying UCI.
2. USADA lawyers are on holiday.
3. USADA don't have their (f)acts together (have been bluffing about the evidence).
4. the USADA report is going to slam UCI, so they are taking the time they need to get it straight.

5. http://www.usada.org/sanctions/

Do not be fooled by UCI machinations. There are time limits and rules in place that USADA have nailed at every turn. They are not about to drop the ball on this one. Consider it has been 3 weeks since Lance said, "I quit" and 5 more athletes have been sanctioned since that day.

Consider the UCI kept Contador's positive quiet for 3 months.

The USADA should in no way be pressured to perform like some circus animal purely because the UCI have a meeting some time in September. It is an arrogant press release and should be treated as such.

 

[Robert21]

10. Armstrong is only one of those charged as being party to the conspiracy, and WADA don't want to put out the evidence relating to Armstrong yet in case some of the other parties awaiting arbitration claim such a release prejudices their hearing?

 

[Robert21]

Think USADA said it would take some time to put their reasoned decision together because they have to strip out anything related to the cases going to arbitration. Maybe something about the overwhelming volume of it too...

Beat me to it!

 

[Cramps]

BBC report from end of August suggested the delay is related to protecting cases against others. The reasoning still seems valid:

"The BBC understands Usada would have done so already [released the report] but for two reasons:
Armstrong was charged along with three doctors, a coach, and US Postal team manager Johan Bruyneel in June - and proceedings are continuing against three of them;

The agency has been concerned that its witnesses have to be protected from outside influence."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cycling/19433990

 

[python]

once again, usada is supposed to act (and act quickly) b/c posters in the clinic are impatient.

for one, i am glad the usada is taking its time to produce an important legal document that will sets forth the evidence w/o giving the uci and armstrong ammo for shooting it down.


but really, there are 2 simple reasons for not rushing.

1. the code does not require a certain date the reasoned decision to be produced by.
2. uci has proven that it can not be trusted. what they will get needs careful scrubbing.

 

[sniper]

admittedly, these crap UCI press releases had me fooled. I was under the (clearly false) impression that USADA was somehow legally obliged to send their reasoned decision to the UCI within a certain period after said decision.

posted by Python: 1. the code does not require a certain date the reasoned decision to be produced by.

do USADA really have no deadline whatsoever?

Anyway, hardly surprising to see UCI trying to make USADA look as sloppy as possible.

 

[richtea]

How many people actually work at the UCI and USADA? These types of report do take a long to write, and then to finalise, particularly if you face staffing constraints. And I expect it will take the UCI a while to the same on their side.

 

[python]

this wada code paragraph responding to the time frame questions has been posted (and buried alive) countless times. i expect the same fate and the questions asked again and again...

8.3 Waiver of Hearing
The right to a hearing may be waived either expressly or by the Athlete’s or other Person’s failure to challenge an Anti-Doping Organization’s assertion that an anti-doping rule violation has occurred within the specific time period provided in the Anti-Doping
Organization’s rules. Where no hearing occurs, the Anti-Doping Organization with results management responsibility shall submit to the Persons described in Article 13.2.3 a reasoned decision explaining the action taken.

 

[sniper]

(...)
7. USADA dont want Pat to have the last word, as Valkenburg will provide much media opportunity to UCI, and any coinciding USADA news will be diluted in the media (...)

good points. I think at least #7 is on the mark (the others might be as well).
That would explain this:

"Reasoned Decision" in approx. the next 10 days.

Race Radio ‏@TheRaceRadio
I expect it to be out in the next 10 days.

i.e. shortly after Valkenburg.

 

[MarkvW]

How many people actually work at the UCI and USADA? These types of report do take a long to write, and then to finalise, particularly if you face staffing constraints. And I expect it will take the UCI a while to the same on their side.

Absolutely. And since this is probably going to be USADA's final word on the subject of Lance Armstrong, they want to make sure that they get it exactly right.

Race Radio also made the point that USADA might have gotten new evidence since the initial disclosure. Processing that information is another reason for further delay.

 

[AntiGravityCycling]

Absolutely. And since this is probably going to be USADA's final word on the subject of Lance Armstrong, they want to make sure that they get it exactly right.

Race Radio also made the point that USADA might have gotten new evidence since the initial disclosure. Processing that information is another reason for further delay.

Processing that info? Well, if they got new info, they will be glad they waited. And they may be working on getting newer info as well. Making sure they have it all, and putting it out there all at once, may take some time.

USADA certainly stands to come out of this looking very good compared to the UCI and their rather checkered history. But they have to get it right, and they seem to see that.

Very interesting times!

 

[Orvieto]

10. Armstrong is only one of those charged as being party to the conspiracy, and WADA don't want to put out the evidence relating to Armstrong yet in case some of the other parties awaiting arbitration claim such a release prejudices their hearing?

Bingo.
They don't want to jeopardize any of the other cases. When is the Bruyneel arbitration anyway? To me that's the first real impact on current racing. He's an active DS. He could very easily be banned next year and RadioTrekLeopardNissanWhatever could be in even worse condition than it is now.

 

[DirtyWorks]

Making sure they have it all, and putting it out there all at once, may take some time.

It should take quite a bit of time because they have to have it formatted to shape and pull mass media stories. Many, not all, journalists are lazy by habit. They have most of their stories pre-packaged.

Look at it like Wikileaks for a minute. Ignore the fact powerful people object to having their data storage compromised for a minute, how many mass media stories actually arose from the data posted? Not much. That's why USADA has to write most of the story for mass media.

Totally off topic, if one lives by the rule that nothing on a computer is private then what you've written on one will probably not come back to haunt you.

 

[airstream]

they await resonanse to die away a bit that they could easily declare that lance saves his titles

 

[Freddythefrog]

They are busy

Pat is busy working with the UCI legal team finalising the case against Floyd ! Remember, he told us he was going to do this because Floyd was nasty. They want to get him into court and allow him to call his witnesses. Then all the truth will come out and we will see that Floyd was just making it all up because he is a sore loser.

 

[Freddythefrog]

I got that wrong !

No, not working on Floyd's case, they have gone after Kimmage. Floyd is for next month ?

It is better than any novel !

 

[the big ring]

No, not working on Floyd's case, they have gone after Kimmage. Floyd is for next month ?

It is better than any novel !

Kimmage is December and sub peona'd. Floyd is this month and not sub peona'd.