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Why isn't Evans ever on a good team?

In short, he's an idiot or his manager is an idiot. Maybe both are idiots. He has never done what is necessary to put himself on a team that can support his GT aspirations.

The move to BMC was stupifying. Not only is the team a Pro Conti team that does not have a guaranteed entry to any GT, it does not have the riders to support him. BMC is worse than Lotto. He voluntarily jumped from the frying pan into the fire.

I don't see why he could not have called upon Garmin at the end of last season. Garmin could have lost Wigans, gained Evans, and had Evans salary paid for by Sky's buyout of Wigans' contract. Garmin would have gained a better rider than Wigans and it would not have cost them a thing. Heck, they might have made a profit on the deal. Evans would have a team that could support in in the mountains and TTTs. Instead he lives in fear that a puncture at the wrong moment will end his chances.
 
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BroDeal said:
In short, he's an idiot or his manager is an idiot. Maybe both are idiots. He has never done what is necessary to put himself on a team that can support his GT aspirations.

The move to BMC was stupifying. Not only is the team a Pro Conti team that does not have a guaranteed entry to any GT, it does not have the riders to support him. BMC is worse than Lotto. He voluntarily jumped from the frying pan into the fire.

I don't see why he could not have called upon Garmin at the end of last season. Garmin could have lost Wigans, gained Evans, and had Evans salary paid for by Sky's buyout of Wigans' contract. Garmin would have gained a better rider than Wigans and it would not have cost them a thing. Heck, they might have made a profit on the deal. Evans would have a team that could support in in the mountains and TTTs. Instead he lives in fear that a puncture at the wrong moment will end his chances.

What he said.
 
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Do the good teams know something and want nothing to do with him?

Or,

Does Evans turn down fabulous offers from the serious GC teams?

c) if he signed for a good team we wouldnt be able to laugh at him.

Anyway, it wasnt his teams fault today, it was the wind
 

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BroDeal said:
In short, he's an idiot or his manager is an idiot. Maybe both are idiots. He has never done what is necessary to put himself on a team that can support his GT aspirations.

The move to BMC was stupifying. Not only is the team a Pro Conti team that does not have a guaranteed entry to any GT, it does not have the riders to support him. BMC is worse than Lotto. He voluntarily jumped from the frying pan into the fire.

I don't see why he could not have called upon Garmin at the end of last season. Garmin could have lost Wigans, gained Evans, and had Evans salary paid for by Sky's buyout of Wigans' contract. Garmin would have gained a better rider than Wigans and it would not have cost them a thing. Heck, they might have made a profit on the deal. Evans would have a team that could support in in the mountains and TTTs. Instead he lives in fear that a puncture at the wrong moment will end his chances.

Isn't his manager Tony Rominger? You would assume he would be pretty shrewd.

I don't blame Evans for getting out of his Lotto contract when the oppurtunity arose - but as BroDeal pointed out going to a Pro Conti team is a huge gamble - and Garmin would have made an excellent choice.

BMC did quite well today - but its only day 4 of the race and the cracks in the team are already evident.
If Cadel falls short by 1 or 2 minutes in this Giro those precious minutes wont have been lost on the road they will have been lost in the team selection before a pedal was turned in anger.
 
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Isn't his manager Tony Rominger? You would assume he would be pretty shrewd.

I don't blame Evans for getting out of his Lotto contract when the oppurtunity arose - but as BroDeal pointed out going to a Pro Conti team is a huge gamble - and Garmin would have made an excellent choice.

BMC did quite well today - but its only day 4 of the race and the cracks in the team are already evident.
If Cadel falls short by 1 or 2 minutes in this Giro those precious minutes wont have been lost on the road they will have been lost in the team selection before a pedal was turned in anger.

Wiggins stuffed around his team (Garmin) with will he or wont he until very late in the season - well after Cadel had announced his move - so at the time he signed for BMC Garmin wasn't an option (and didn't look like one given Wiggins had confirmed he would stay). He probably didn't expect Ballan to be sitting out of the Giro due to being named in a doping investigation either. He did note when he joined that he expected the team to continue its ambitious recruiting for 2011 as well, and at the tour he wont have to deal with the split team (or more to the point, Hincappie) heading to Cali.
 
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Wiggins stuffed around his team (Garmin) with will he or wont he until very late in the season - well after Cadel had announced his move - so at the time he signed for BMC Garmin wasn't an option (and didn't look like one given Wiggins had confirmed he would stay). He probably didn't expect Ballan to be sitting out of the Giro due to being named in a doping investigation either. He did note when he joined that he expected the team to continue its ambitious recruiting for 2011 as well, and at the tour he wont have to deal with the split team (or more to the point, Hincappie) heading to Cali.

Wigans was angling to leave Garmin for Team Sky. Everyone knew he wanted to leave, especially after his surprise Tour performance. Vaughters repeatedly had to tell the press that he expected Wigans to fulfill his contract. Evans' manager should have been astute enough to call Garmin and offer the possibility of signing Evans, which would have given Garmin an easy way out of the Wigans mess.
 
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Dr. Maserati said:
Isn't his manager Tony Rominger? You would assume he would be pretty shrewd.

I don't blame Evans for getting out of his Lotto contract when the oppurtunity arose - but as BroDeal pointed out going to a Pro Conti team is a huge gamble - and Garmin would have made an excellent choice.

BMC did quite well today - but its only day 4 of the race and the cracks in the team are already evident.
If Cadel falls short by 1 or 2 minutes in this Giro those precious minutes wont have been lost on the road they will have been lost in the team selection before a pedal was turned in anger.

While he is not on a good team on the road i believe Cadel is in a very good state of mind at the moment and is very happy with how focused BMC are on helping him towards his goals .

I agree Garmin would have been a good choice but i can also see why Cadel may have been hesitant as he may have seen a similar situation with Farrar being there with McEwan at Lotto .

BMC may not have the best team this year but they showed they were able to spend dollars to improve their riding ranks and Cadel may still think he has a couple of more years in him to win a GT. If BMC are willing to spend the dollars they will only improve their ranks next year.
 

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To answer a few of the above posts - he didn't appear to even look at Garmin as an option as JV was quoted as saying....
"Cadel is a great athlete, and I wish I'd known he was on the market. But no, he hasn't signed for Garmin in 2010"

I think the observation that he is more content at a team that he is the sole leader is certainly true - I just think it is dissapointing that the team is so weak in this race in particular because he has a great chance of winning.
 
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All pure speculation Bro. Who's to say Rominger didnt speak to Vaughters? Maybe Mr Tweed doesnt like Cuddles or didnt fit into the team persona. Who's to know all the political machinations inside the pro peloton.

As mentioned above, I think the key is Cadel's state of mind. He looks in a good place for the time being.
 
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I think the "A" team from BMC is better than what got from Lotto, but BMC do not have the depth to split, like most ProTour outfits do. And they are really missing Ballan at the Giro.

Think about it

Evans, Ballan, Hincapie, Kroon, Burghart is as good as a core as you will ever get. Couple of real Hard men in Hincapie and Burghart, Kroon will be there on the last mountain (he just falls away at the key moments when he is a leader) Ballan goes the distance ans a good all rounder than can make strategic attacks (taking pressure of the rest of the team

For the rest choose between Brookwater looks to be coming on well, Wyss also, Santambrogio is a good mountain man, Moos and Frank and it is a team that could win the Giro... unfortunately 4 of the guys mentioned are in the Giro team!
 
BroDeal said:
In short, he's an idiot or his manager is an idiot. Maybe both are idiots. He has never done what is necessary to put himself on a team that can support his GT aspirations.

The move to BMC was stupifying. Not only is the team a Pro Conti team that does not have a guaranteed entry to any GT, it does not have the riders to support him. BMC is worse than Lotto. He voluntarily jumped from the frying pan into the fire.

I don't see why he could not have called upon Garmin at the end of last season. Garmin could have lost Wigans, gained Evans, and had Evans salary paid for by Sky's buyout of Wigans' contract. Garmin would have gained a better rider than Wigans and it would not have cost them a thing. Heck, they might have made a profit on the deal. Evans would have a team that could support in in the mountains and TTTs. Instead he lives in fear that a puncture at the wrong moment will end his chances.

Not much to add to that. Spot on, right there.

Of course, Hincapie should be supporting Evans in the Giro, not mucking about in a second-tier race in California.
 
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BroDeal said:
In short, he's an idiot or his manager is an idiot. Maybe both are idiots. He has never done what is necessary to put himself on a team that can support his GT aspirations.

The move to BMC was stupifying. Not only is the team a Pro Conti team that does not have a guaranteed entry to any GT, it does not have the riders to support him. BMC is worse than Lotto. He voluntarily jumped from the frying pan into the fire.

I don't see why he could not have called upon Garmin at the end of last season. Garmin could have lost Wigans, gained Evans, and had Evans salary paid for by Sky's buyout of Wigans' contract. Garmin would have gained a better rider than Wigans and it would not have cost them a thing. Heck, they might have made a profit on the deal. Evans would have a team that could support in in the mountains and TTTs. Instead he lives in fear that a puncture at the wrong moment will end his chances.

Bold bit. I don't think anyone would accuse Tony Rominger of idiocy. Doping yes, but not cretinism.

Bro did of course use the disjunctive, so his post is still valid if Cadel is an idiot.

ACF - any thoughts?
 
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I think its pretty clear that a lot of Cadel's decision was about where he was going to feel more comfortable, and at BMC as sole leader its pretty clear he is really enjoying his cycling. Just a pity that BMC have split forces and had some other incidents (ballan and kroon) that have negatively affected their ability to help Cadel at the Giro.
 
I'd say also that he was quite comfortable that it might be a step backwards this year but with expectation of being better off next year.
When he signed with BMC they didn't have Giro invite let alone Tour.
Of course the ball will be in court of BMC to sign up some more solid support for 2011.
 
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evans wasnt really that big a statr before he went to lotto was he? i cant remember.... he had the pink jersey in the giro then went to telekom/tmobile didnt go so well... so to me lotto seems like a normal progression from that.. So him being on lotto isnt so strange... maybe going to bmc wasn't a great idea..Although i have no idea how many teams would have taken him(he did have to break his contract)... but bmc is an interesting project and if they told him he will have a lot of freedom to be leader then it's probably a good team for him... he allready won la fleche and the giro is still very young.

bmc on paper have quite a good team and I think they will only get better.
 
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Evans knew his GT hopes would be slim moving to BMC.

He only moved to BMC because he got lots of $$$$$$$ and incentives. BMC wanted to make it big. To secure the rainbow jersey was the only way to do it and they are getting lots of $$$$$$.

Maybe when BMC are successful at going pro-tour, Evans will jump ship.
 
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Evans knew his GT hopes would be slim moving to BMC.

He only moved to BMC because he got lots of $$$$$$$ and incentives. BMC wanted to make it big. To secure the rainbow jersey was the only way to do it and they are getting lots of $$$$$$.

Maybe when BMC are successful at going pro-tour, Evans will jump ship.

Didn't Evans have to pay out his Lotto contract? I doubt he will have a net gain from the move this year.
 
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I don't think Evans has the temperment to be on a team with no hope of supporting a gt charge. I think the addition of Hincapie in a support role helped the deal. I also think Evans continues to delude himself if he thinks he can do it alone with a key rider or two to help him.
 
Mapei and T-Mobile weren't exactly bad, but of course you're talking about recently.

Lotto weren't really a bad team either but certainly not one built to support a GT GC guy.

He does seem to be snake-bit, though. First, the Dekker and Kohl debacles and now this year doesn't seem to be working out either.

Sure, a team with Ballan, Hincapie, Kroon, and Burghardt would be solid(though still lacking a bit for a top GC guy) , but that doesn't look like it's going to work out either. BMC should have just focused on either the Giro or the Tour, but not both. As it is, he has no real help at the Giro. You could argue that all the time he's lost so far is due to his team's weakness.

Then he will go to the Tour, likely not at his best, with a team that will probably be missing Ballan and with no real climbers on the squad as I don't think Kroon is going to cut it.

I don't really know all the details but is seemed like the BMC thing was kind of a late, impulsive decision. I'm sure he would have had more and better suitors if he had decided he wanted out sooner.

Have to agree with BroDeal - Garmin would have been a good match.