Wilfried Peeters knew everything

[Miburo]

Quote of Johan Museeuw

http://www.dezondag.be/johan-museeuw-zwijgt-niet-meer-wilfried-peeters-wist-alles/

 

["Jeff"]

I have never been a fan of Johan "I wanted to end my career nicely'' Museeuw. How people in Belgium acted like he was God. That win in Lugano on that course was just laughable.

Though he is one of the few who speaks out loud. Yet he gotta understand, him, Boogerd, Armstrong are open because they were forced to be open. Those who dont have to, remain in silence. He shouldnt whine about that and the myth of a level playing field is annoying too.

Peeters was nothing more but average until GB/MG/Mapei came along. He was his buddy, of course he knew everything. I didnt know they werent buddies anymore.

 

[Gung Ho Gun]

The thing is, Museeuw doesnt really speak out. He speaks loudly but it all boils down to "everyone did it and I just doped because I had to". To my knowledge he never talked about what he used, when and how, or which doctors were involved. And now he tries to play the "I'm one of the few who is honest about it, and confessions like mine are helping the sport" card.

 

["Jeff"]

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Very few are telling when and how.

Calling out which doctors were involved is nice info for us, but pretty lame IMO.

NSB behaviour.

 

[Benotti69]

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[quote=""Jeff"":3839zypi]Very few are telling when and how.

Calling out which doctors were involved is nice info for us, but pretty lame IMO.

NSB behaviour.[/quote]

Why is calling out Doctors lame?

Part of the problem is that so few talk.

 

["Jeff"]

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[quote=""Jeff"":cut3aq8b]Very few are telling when and how.

Calling out which doctors were involved is nice info for us, but pretty lame IMO.

NSB behaviour.

Why is calling out Doctors lame?

Part of the problem is that so few talk.[/quote]To me trust means a lot. They trusted each other back than and it should stay like that. Those who get caught should pay the price and accept it. Dont betray others to get a lesser sentence.

We are not talking about murder/kidnapping whatever here.

Of course I would like to know all ins and outs as well, just because its interesting. Yet I fully agree with Boogerd who refuses to give names. I do think he/they shouldnt whine about the fact that they were all doing it.

 

[MarkvW]

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[quote=""Jeff"":1dtqjt7x]I have never been a fan of Johan "I wanted to end my career nicely'' Museeuw. How people in Belgium acted like he was God. That win in Lugano on that course was just laughable.

Though he is one of the few who speaks out loud. Yet he gotta understand, him, Boogerd, Armstrong are open because they were forced to be open. Those who dont have to, remain in silence. He shouldnt whine about that and the myth of a level playing field is annoying too.

Peeters was nothing more but average until GB/MG/Mapei came along. He was his buddy, of course he knew everything. I didnt know they werent buddies anymore.[/quote]

Professional cycling is a rich man's hobby. For those rich men, it is a level playing field. Each rich guy has the opportunity to purchase the best rider, doped or undoped.

From the professional rider's perspective, of course the racing is slanted in favor of the dopers, and among the dopers it is slanted in favor of the best responders to dope therapy. It is anything but level. But who cares about the riders? Who cares about doping?

Nobody cares about the riders. That much is obvious. They are used up and discarded. The UCI is anything but a union for professional cyclists--it is a way for a clique to make money as middlemen. Professional riders are screwed every way--and doping is just one of the ways they get it.

And nobody cares about doping--not really. People here, most of us, are fanboys and fangirls despite full knowledge of just how filthy the sport is. Our fandom drives the sport, which in turn drives the doping. We only care about the riders to the extent of the amusement they provide us. If we cared about their actual health, we'd drop this sport like a diseased hot potato.

Anyway, I'm just trying to say that the level playing field exists for team owners and it has never existed (and will never exist) for professional riders.

 

[Gung Ho Gun]

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Anyway, I'm just trying to say that the level playing field exists for team owners and it has never existed (and will never exist) for professional riders.

And all Museeuw really talks about is how it was a level playing field, which is my problem with him

 

[MarkvW]

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Anyway, I'm just trying to say that the level playing field exists for team owners and it has never existed (and will never exist) for professional riders.

And all Museeuw really talks about is how it was a level playing field, which is my problem with him

Thanks.

 

[Benotti69]

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[quote=""Jeff"":n6mu3nl7]Very few are telling when and how.

Calling out which doctors were involved is nice info for us, but pretty lame IMO.

NSB behaviour.

Why is calling out Doctors lame?

Part of the problem is that so few talk.[/quote]To me trust means a lot. They trusted each other back than and it should stay like that. Those who get caught should pay the price and accept it. Dont betray others to get a lesser sentence.

We are not talking about murder/kidnapping whatever here.

Of course I would like to know all ins and outs as well, just because its interesting. Yet I fully agree with Boogerd who refuses to give names. I do think he/they shouldnt whine about the fact that they were all doing it.[/quote]

So you believe in omerta?

There is no trust is cycling. That has been proven time and time again.

 

[carton]

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[quote=""Jeff"":1hhjgwyc]To me trust means a lot. They trusted each other back than and it should stay like that. Those who get caught should pay the price and accept it. Dont betray others to get a lesser sentence.

We are not talking about murder/kidnapping whatever here.

Of course I would like to know all ins and outs as well, just because its interesting. Yet I fully agree with Boogerd who refuses to give names. I do think he/they shouldnt whine about the fact that they were all doing it.[/quote]
I have no problem with cheats betraying other cheats. In fact I kind of enjoy it. Once I saw the boyfriend of a girl who I'm pretty sure cheated on me cheating on her at a bar. Next two round rounds were on me. I mean, she was a decent enough person, and I really try to wish her the best, but I do think there is some justice to just desserts.

The guys that survive torture for months until any intelligence they have is useless will earn my deepest respect, as long as I think that good people can possibly talk themselves into believing that their cause is just. But hardcore cheats (and Museeuw isn't Andy Pettite trying HGH for a month to recover from an injury, or Paolini getting busted for being an idiot) don't rate highly with me regardless (unless they really have made a huge effort to redeem themselves), and them screwing over their friends but providing useful information is probably more of a plus than a minus in my ledger.

 

["Jeff"]

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[quote=""Jeff"":26g2hm2t]To me trust means a lot. They trusted each other back than and it should stay like that. Those who get caught should pay the price and accept it. Dont betray others to get a lesser sentence.

We are not talking about murder/kidnapping whatever here.

Of course I would like to know all ins and outs as well, just because its interesting. Yet I fully agree with Boogerd who refuses to give names. I do think he/they shouldnt whine about the fact that they were all doing it.

I have no problem with cheats betraying other cheats. In fact I kind of enjoy it. Once I saw the boyfriend of a girl who I'm pretty sure cheated on me cheating on her at a bar. Next two round rounds were on me. I mean, she was a decent enough person, and I really try to wish her the best, but I do think there is some justice to just desserts.

Well I think thats not entirely the same. Obviously he screwed you, so why wouldnt you. Let me be clear, I have no problem with that.

 

[MarkvW]

There are the written rules of professional cycling, and there are the unwritten rules. Doping is fully permitted within the unwritten rules.

The written rules seem to be there for sponsors only, like USPS, who are dumb enough to believe that they mean anything.

Is German TV still not broadcasting cycling? At least they got it.

 

[blackcat]

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There are the written rules of professional cycling, and there are the unwritten rules. Doping is fully permitted within the unwritten rules.

The written rules seem to be there for sponsors only, like USPS, who are dumb enough to believe that they mean anything.

Is German TV still not broadcasting cycling? At least they got it.

this.

insider v outsider

just dont get caught

 

[Benotti69]

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[quote=""Jeff"":19b43rbv]To me trust means a lot. They trusted each other back than and it should stay like that. Those who get caught should pay the price and accept it. Dont betray others to get a lesser sentence.

We are not talking about murder/kidnapping whatever here.

Of course I would like to know all ins and outs as well, just because its interesting. Yet I fully agree with Boogerd who refuses to give names. I do think he/they shouldnt whine about the fact that they were all doing it.

I have no problem with cheats betraying other cheats. In fact I kind of enjoy it. Once I saw the boyfriend of a girl who I'm pretty sure cheated on me cheating on her at a bar. Next two round rounds were on me. I mean, she was a decent enough person, and I really try to wish her the best, but I do think there is some justice to just desserts.

Well I think thats not entirely the same. Obviously he screwed you, so why wouldnt you. Let me be clear, I have no problem with that.

So they were married then......

 

[carton]

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[quote=""Jeff"":19l1imgs]Well I think thats not entirely the same. Obviously he screwed you, so why wouldnt you. Let me be clear, I have no problem with that. [/quote]
You might have missed an "s" there, but looking back at it mine was a convoluted sentence in an international forum. So for clarity: the girl, who likely cheated on me, was being cheated on. What I was getting at is that though I try to be a nice guy and wish her well, I wasn't exactly heartbroken for her. And while I definitely don't believe you always get what's coming in life, when it does happen, I'm good with it.

 

[roundabout]

Quote of Johan Museeuw

http://www.dezondag.be/johan-museeuw-zwijgt-niet-meer-wilfried-peeters-wist-alles/

http://www.sadtrombone.com/?autoplay=true

 

[Irondan]

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There are the written rules of professional cycling, and there are the unwritten rules. Doping is fully permitted within the unwritten rules.

The written rules seem to be there for sponsors only, like USPS, who are dumb enough to believe that they mean anything.

Is German TV still not broadcasting cycling? At least they got it.

They (German TV) televised this years Tour with the caveat that any doping offences would have them pull the plug.

 

[thehog]

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There are the written rules of professional cycling, and there are the unwritten rules. Doping is fully permitted within the unwritten rules.

The written rules seem to be there for sponsors only, like USPS, who are dumb enough to believe that they mean anything.

Is German TV still not broadcasting cycling? At least they got it.

Loving the avatar!

 

[Echoes]

Back in 2010/11 Museeuw was invited by Michel Wuyts for the TV show "De Flandriens" and back then I distinctly remember him saying he refused to resort to the usual "level playing field" excuse. "Ik zeg niet dat we op dezelfde trein waren" (I don't say we are all on the same train") He said something like that, I don't remember the exact words.

But at that time, he still stuck to his ridiculous "by the end of my career [sic], I made a mistake" story: "At a time it was easy to do so" blabla. A comment that was ridiculed by Van Hooydonck at the time. It was until Sep. 2012 that he finally admitted to doping during most of his career and urged for a collective coming out because "almost everybody doped back then". When you think he published a book with his previous "version".


Worst thing is when I heard the comment by Michel Wuyts clearing Museeuw with the "level playing field" excuse. First he's accusing a rider like Baldato of doping same way as Museeuw did while till date Baldato has never been exposed (to my knowledge), how suspicious he might have been. But then, well, Wuyts knows that Van Hooydonck was riding clean. So how could he have made such statement ???

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

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Anyway, I'm just trying to say that the level playing field exists for team owners and it has never existed (and will never exist) for professional riders.

And all Museeuw really talks about is how it was a level playing field, which is my problem with him

Thanks.

Just follow the carreer trajectory of Mauro Gianetti and you will know there is nothing like a level playing field in cycling with regards to doping.

 

[frenchfry]

Pascal Hervé (mentioned on another thread), Mauro Gianetti....those were the days! Now that was cycling at its best, mano à mano let the best man win!