Will Alberto Contador keep his 2010 Tour de France crown?

[The Hitch]

When all the dust is settled, when all the smoke is cleared, who will go down as 2010 TDF champion?


Ps. Thank you Barrus. I didnt think youd do it.

 

[El Pistolero]

Jurgen Van Den Broeck will win this.

 

[The Hitch]

People really think Schleck will test positive and not get the 2010 title? i mean if he tests positive in the future, this wont mean he loses the 2010 title. Vino didnt lose the 06 Vuelta when he tested positive at the 07 Tour.

So he would have to test positive for this years tour. Do people know something i dont?

 

[El Pistolero]

People really think Schleck will test positive and not get the 2010 title? i mean if he tests positive in the future, this wont mean he loses the 2010 title. Vino didnt lose the 06 Vuelta when he tested positive at the 07 Tour.

So he would have to test positive for this years tour. Do people know something i dont?

Story has it AS tested positive for Clen after being contaminated by a kiss from AC.

 

[hrotha]

People really think Schleck will test positive and not get the 2010 title? i mean if he tests positive in the future, this wont mean he loses the 2010 title. Vino didnt lose the 06 Vuelta when he tested positive at the 07 Tour.

So he would have to test positive for this years tour. Do people know something i dont?

My vote is "Someone leaks the results of the other tests on the TdF samples and hordes of riders, including Andy, go down. Andy doesn't even get to be declared winner of the 2010 TdF before this happens."

That'd be the more fun option anyway.

 

[The Hitch]

Looks like I ruined the thread the second I offered the 3rd option.

Story has it AS tested positive for Clen after being contaminated by a kiss from AC.

nice

 

[bobs nob]

My vote is "Someone leaks the results of the other tests on the TdF samples and hordes of riders, including Andy, go down. Andy doesn't even get to be declared winner of the 2010 TdF before this happens."

That'd be the more fun option anyway.

At this point, that is about the only part of being a fan of this sport that even remotely sounds like fun.

I can't tell you why, but knowing AC is a doper and hadn't gotten caught was a whole lot better than knowing he is a doper that WAS caught. It has all been very sickening (and that has nothing to do with bad meat).

 

[Anonymous]

Story i heard is Contador wasnt the only one checked for plasticizer (I mean why would he be, they would have tested more than one rider)

 

[ElChingon]

I just hope they run the Plasticizer test on the Tour samples (all of them) and then determine who will win if Contador is indeed banned.

I just hate the views of the UCI, they keep re-iterating how bad it is for Cycling but never say how its cleaning it up. They should be welcoming the new tests and alerting them (riders) so they know the gig is up and then we could of avoided this, maybe? But we know they don't want clean racers, they just want a clean image, no matter how fake it is.

 

[usedtobefast]

based on current protocol AC is DQ'd. i feel bad for the guy if his story is true.
Magic 8 Ball says unable to say for sure. it will be a huge black mark for pro bike racing if his result is nullified. like the sport needs more bad press. me, i don't want it to go bad, but i don't have much clout.

 

[Indurain]

I'm sure Contador is guilty, but doesn't it seem odd that not only did they test for minute samples of a particular doping product but also used a relatevely new test not even accepted by the UCI at that stage.

It isn't so much a question of whether he's guilty, we all know that, but rather a question of who did he upset? Why have they gone after him?

I think Contador is bad for the sport. Can the sport handle another era like Indurain/Armstrong. Because it was going to happen. Getting rid of him makes the TdF a whole lot more exciting.

Funny enough, I won't miss him. Not sure why? Hard to pin point it, perhaps a combination of he was boring, geekish, his pistol salute, too dominating in timetrials to be real. But I did admire the way he handled Armstrong who I dislike so much more (but funny enough made cycling more exciting during his comeback).

 

[Hugh Januss]

Who else is as conflicted as I am?

Do I think that it will be bad for cycling if Clentador gets off? YES
Do I believe that he tested positive because of a steak?NO
Do I think that Schleck etal. was any less "prepared" than Clentador?NO NO NO
Do I want to see Clentador get off so I can watch all the top guys dope (sorry I mean duke) it out in TDF 2011?yes
Argh, I'm so confused.

 

[hfer07]

I think Contador is bad for the sport. Can the sport handle another era like Indurain/Armstrong. Because it was going to happen. Getting rid of him makes the TdF a whole lot more exciting.

If AC is banned-then who's going to challenge ASchleck? stopping one "era" short won't impede the next one to begin....BTW if AS wins 3 TDF too-then he has to be put down as well, so the tour won't get boring?

 

[bobs nob]

Do I think that it will be bad for cycling if Clentador gets off? YES
Do I believe that he tested positive because of a steak?NO
Do I think that Schleck etal. was any less "prepared" than Clentador?NO NO NO
Do I want to see Clentador get off so I can watch all the top guys dope (sorry I mean duke) it out in TDF 2011?yes
Argh, I'm so confused.

Some of you have followed the sport for so long, it's impossible to walk away. Like marriage. I haven't followed it that long. Sort of a passionate fling that was destined to self immolate. Why do I feel like the lucky one?

 

[Berzin]

Doping never bothered me too much until Armstrong began making a mockery of the sport.

When he started winning, with that Ed Grimely haircut and that vacant, beady-eyed look on his face I knew all was lost.

That's when I knew for a fact it was nothing but a freak show where "he who has the best chemist" wins.

At least Contador looks and rides like a climber, and he is graceful on the time trial bike. Armstrong looks like a bullfrog sitting on a chair when he rides.

How can someone so graceless and so lacking in style (those socks, puleeze don't get me started on those hideous socks) be allowed to morph into such a Tour Juggernaut?

I don't want Contador to get banned because I enjoy watching him race and I hope he gets to keep his Tour win even if he is sanctioned. It has nothing to do with whether he doped or not.

I actually don't care. The only doper that annoys me is Armstrong.

 

[bobs nob]

Doping never bothered me too much until Armstrong made a mockery of the sport.

When he began winning then I knew for a fact it was nothing but a freak show where "he who has the best chemist" wins.

At least Contador looks and rides like a climber, and he is graceful on the time trial bike. Armstrong looks like a bullfrog sitting on a chair when he rides.

How can someone so graceless and without style (those socks, puleeze don't get me started on those hideous socks) be such a Tour Juggernaut?

I don't want Contador to get banned because I enjoy watching him race. It has nothing to do with whether he dopes or not.

I actually don't care. The only doper that annoys me is Armstrong. All the rest I can pretty much forgive.

I pretty much agree with everything you say except I DO care. I am not feeling very forgiving and I don't think anyone is a bigger fan of AC than I am.

I don't know what the heli I am watching anymore. An athlete or a science experiment taken to its logical extreme....?

 

[Maxiton]

I'm sure Contador is guilty, but doesn't it seem odd that not only did they test for minute samples of a particular doping product but also used a relatevely new test not even accepted by the UCI at that stage.

It isn't so much a question of whether he's guilty, we all know that, but rather a question of who did he upset? Why have they gone after him?

One word: Armstrong.

Yes, Armstrong has the influence with / power in the UCI to make this happen, and the will to do it. Lynden Johnson famously said of someone, "I've got his pecker in my pocket." That lump you may have noticed in the back pocket of another famous Texan, Armstrong? Let's just say it came from Pat McQuaid.

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I did admire the way he handled Armstrong who I dislike so much more (but funny enough made cycling more exciting during his comeback).

That alone showed him worthy of being called a true grand champion.

Some of you have followed the sport for so long, it's impossible to walk away. Like marriage. I haven't followed it that long. Sort of a passionate fling that was destined to self immolate. Why do I feel like the lucky one?

Pro cycling has a deep, rich, and variegated history. There is more than enough here to keep one fascinated and entertained. Don't give up on it so easily.

Doping never bothered me too much until Armstrong began making a mockery of the sport.



At least Contador looks and rides like a climber, and he is graceful on the time trial bike. Armstrong looks like a bullfrog sitting on a chair when he rides.

How can someone so graceless and so lacking in style (those socks, puleeze don't get me started on those hideous socks) be allowed to morph into such a Tour Juggernaut?

I don't want Contador to get banned because I enjoy watching him race and I hope he gets to keep his Tour win even if he is sanctioned. It has nothing to do with whether he doped or not.

I actually don't care. The only doper that annoys me is Armstrong.

Now there is an honest statement. I suspect your feelings are shared by many here, even if they can't admit it to themselves.

Me, I fall somewhere in between. I can see the appeal of Armstrong, especially in his early years. The tragedy of Armstrong, I think, is that by the time he stood astride the sport as le Patron, he had been thoroughly corrupted by it - even as he reinforced the continuing corruption of the sport; - a kind of closed loop.

 

[montagna lunga]

pollster : need another category :

d) who cares now?

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

I'm sure Contador is guilty, but doesn't it seem odd that not only did they test for minute samples of a particular doping product but also used a relatevely new test not even accepted by the UCI at that stage.

It isn't so much a question of whether he's guilty, we all know that, but rather a question of who did he upset? Why have they gone after him?

Who is "they"? The UCI was trying to cover this up, so clearly the UCI is not the "they" to whom you're referring. I'm curious as to whom you're referring here.

 

[Benotti69]

Jurgen Van Den Broeck will win this.

why? the Lotto team were known as a doping team were they not?

 

[Benotti69]

One word: Armstrong.

Yes, Armstrong has the influence with / power in the UCI to make this happen, and the will to do it. Lynden Johnson famously said of someone, "I've got his pecker in my pocket." That lump you may have noticed in the back pocket of another famous Texan, Armstrong? Let's just say it came from Pat McQuaid.

That alone showed him worthy of being called a true grand champion.



Pro cycling has a deep, rich, and variegated history. There is more than enough here to keep one fascinated and entertained. Don't give up on it so easily.



Now there is an honest statement. I suspect your feelings are shared by many here, even if they can't admit it to themselves.

Me, I fall somewhere in between. I can see the appeal of Armstrong, especially in his early years. The tragedy of Armstrong, I think, is that by the time he stood astride the sport as le Patron, he had been thoroughly corrupted by it - even as he reinforced the continuing corruption of the sport; - a kind of closed loop.

it is not allowed to edit peoples quotes. I do not like your mockery of an honest post from a member.

 

[Barrus]

Everyone, lay off each other, and lay of off Armstrong, there are enough threads concerning him. This one is about Contador

 

[Maxiton]

it is not allowed to edit peoples quotes. I do not like your mockery of an honest post from a member.

Chill, pill. I don't know what you're talking about. There was no mockery intended.

 

[Maxiton]

Everyone, lay off each other, and lay of off Armstrong, there are enough threads concerning him. This one is about Contador

I can understand that it's your role in part as admin to keep things civil between participants and I appreciate that. But i take exception to your attempt to restrict the free exchange of honest ideas in what is after all a forum designed for that purpose. There is a line between administration and petty authoritarianism and it isn't all that fine.

 

[Vonn Brinkman]

Alright enough bothering one another, let's get back on topic.
I think Andy will get the Tour title of 2010.
But I sincerely hope he doesn't, I don't like all this post-awarding Tours, moving up people unto the podium and changing everything. It's not good for cycling to take away titles and give them to other riders.
Having said that, I mean, if Schleck gets the Tour, will everyone recognize him as the 2010 Tour champion? Will it officially be known as his first Tour win?
I'd rather just give Alberto a ban of a half year and let him keep his title.