Worse Team & Best Team Up to Now

[toolittle]

About half of season now. Giro has been completed half.

Which teams are best performed?

Which teams are worse performed?

Which teams are out-performed (according to their riders quality)?

Which teams are under-performed (according to their riders quality)?

 

[pmcg76]

About half of season now. Giro has been completed half.

Which teams are best performed?

Which teams are worse performed?

Which teams are out-performed (according to their riders quality)?

Which teams are under-performed (according to their riders quality)?

Is this for the seson or for the Giro, I think its the season.

Tough one, RadioShack have done well, Saxo Bank have been a surprise but when you have Contador, it shouldnt be a surprise. Really cannot think of any outstanding teams. Most are equal I guess or have had good individual performances. Gilbert OPL, Scarponi Lampre, Evans BMC, Liquigas have done ok. HTC, Rabobank, Sky, Garmin all done something.

Leopard-Trek have been the big let down so far, Quick Step were poor during their main part of the season, Euskaltel quiet as expected. Maybe Movistar have been a slight disappointment also.

Just leaves the French teams and they have done OK also.

 

[Califer Hill]

Leopard-Trek have been the big let down so far, Quick Step were poor during their main part of the season, Euskaltel quiet as expected. Maybe Movistar have been a slight disappointment also.

Just leaves the French teams and they have done OK also.

Think putting Leopard-Trek as a let down is wrong. They only really took part in 3 stages before pulling out

 

[pmcg76]

Think putting Leopard-Trek as a let down is wrong. They only really took part in 3 stages before pulling out

No I think this one is one for the season to date, I am not sure from the OP. If it is for the Giro, then my apologies. Of course I would never suggest Leopard-Trek being a let down at the Giro.

 

[Califer Hill]

No I think this one is one for the season to date, I am not sure from the OP. If it is for the Giro, then my apologies. Of course I would never suggest Leopard-Trek being a let down at the Giro.

Apologies skimmed the first post and assumed it was about the Giro. Again i'm not to sure that Leopard-Trek are that much of a let down, Podiums in all 4 Monuments is pretty impressive.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Don't know what you expected of Movistar; they've won a stage, come 2nd in another and kept their leader's powder dry. Outside of the Giro I think they've done as well as could be expected of a team lacking a solid leader. The Castilla y León GC (Tondó) including 2 stage wins for Ventoso, the Madrid GC (Costa), three guys in the top 10 at País Vasco, 2 in the top 10 at Murcía, a top 5 at Romandie (Intxausti) and 6th at Catalunya (Tondó) and the TDU (Ventoso), several stages thanks to Ventoso (and a handful thanks to Rojas), Kiryienka 2nd at the Critérium International, Erviti won the Vuelta a La Rioja, David López is racking up results unlike he has done since about 2007, Madrazo was looking very promising until his injury, Pasamontes has a top 5 in the Ruta del Sol and at Asturias...

pretty much everybody on the team has contributed some decent results, bar a couple (eg Plaza, who's been injured, Soler and Iriarte). They've had their fingerprints absolutely covering the Spanish calendar, but I appreciate that if you don't follow that they certainly haven't covered themselves in glory in races like, say, the Ardennes and Paris-Nice, where with Valverde, Sánchez and Rodríguez, they used to be a force to be reckoned with.

 

[Bye Bye Bicycle]

Some surprises:

- Lokomotiv

Absolutely destroying the spanish amateur scene.

- RealCyclist.com

Mancebo winning EVERYTHING, including three stage races in a row. Cole House becoming a good sprinter again. Cesar Grajales in his third spring.

- Exergy

Obscure Columbians coming out of nothing added to some worn out US pros seems to be a good recipe.

- Bonitas

New team on the South African race scene - and from the start successfull with Tyler Day being the biggest discovery.

 

[Mambo95]

Here are some figures for you. A comparison of how many points a team has scored compared to the same stage last year, on both ProTour and CQ rankings. (ProTour teams only, no Leopard)

The score is the percentage of last year's points at this point that have been scored this year. So if last year they had 200 points at this stage and have 300 this year, that's 150%.

ProTour Ranking

1. Sky 197%
2. RadioShack 185%
3. Garmin 170%
4. Ag2r 147%
5. HTC 144%
6. Rabobank 141%
7. Movistar 126%
8. BMC 121%
9. Omega 102%
10. Quick Step 101%
11. Lampre 97%
12. Saxo 71%
13. Liquigas 71%
14. Euskaltel 70%
15. Vacansoleil 67%
16. Astana 51%
17. Katusha 46%


CQ Ranking

1. BMC 535%
2. Sky 321%
3. Lampre 280%
4. Vacansoleil 263%
5. Garmin 246%
6. Radioshack 176%
7. Rabobank 155%
8. Movistar 131%
9. Quick Step 126%
10. Omega 111%
11. Ag2r 97%
12. HTC 74%
13. Euskaltel 72%
14. Katusha 62%
15. Astana 61%
16. Liquigas 56%
17. Saxo 39%

Just figures. No opinion. And, of course, they don't tell the full story.

 

[Mellow Velo]

Clearly they don't tell the story.
One season GC and stage win and BMC have improved twice as much as the next team; 500% better than they were?
Au contraire. Just confirms how poor they were last year.

 

[Christian]

Even though they are among the most hated teams on this forum, I think HTC and RadioShack have both had really good seasons so far.

HTC is impressive because they have a large variety of riders winning. Paris-Nice and MSR are among the biggest races so far. Now they pull Sivtsov out of the hat and might even have a shot at a top-3 or op-5 at the Giro. I'm sure they will be the best team (in terms of wins) by far this season.

RadioShack mainly because of the 7th spring of Andy Klödi and then some really good youngsters in smaller races.

 

[Andre.J]

Lotto so far

 

[greenedge]

Is this for the seson or for the Giro, I think its the season.

Tough one, RadioShack have done well, Saxo Bank have been a surprise but when you have Contador, it shouldnt be a surprise. Really cannot think of any outstanding teams. Most are equal I guess or have had good individual performances. Gilbert OPL, Scarponi Lampre, Evans BMC, Liquigas have done ok. HTC, Rabobank, Sky, Garmin all done something.

Leopard-Trek have been the big let down so far, Quick Step were poor during their main part of the season, Euskaltel quiet as expected. Maybe Movistar have been a slight disappointment also.

Just leaves the French teams and they have done OK also.

Leopard were the most consistent team. They shall go better. You call winning a classic for HTC a fail along with Garmin and Sky and Rabo won 2 minor classics, one with Langveld and CJ.

Best has definetly been Radioshack even thouh they have no classic riders and Robbies have not won sprints.

Fail Katusha is all i have to say but at least Moreno is emerging as a great mountain domestique.

 

[nobilis]

Is this for the seson or for the Giro, I think its the season.

Maybe Movistar have been a slight disappointment also.

I don't quite agree concerning Movistar. It was obvious that they had no real leader before the season started but it's, IMO, the most homogenous team. They have a myriad of riders than can aim for top 10 or even top 5 in stage races. (Arroyo, Tondo, Plaza (Injured), Lopez, Intxausti, Kiriyenka who is in great shape this year) and they're being omnipresent in every stage race they're in. Not to mention Ventoso one of the most prolific sprinters this year, winning quality sprints.

 

[auscyclefan94]

About half of season now. Giro has been completed half.

Which teams are best performed?

Which teams are worse performed?

Which teams are out-performed (according to their riders quality)?

Which teams are under-performed (according to their riders quality)?

Clearly they don't tell the story.
One season GC and stage win and BMC have improved twice as much as the next team; 500% better than they were?
Au contraire. Just confirms how poor they were last year.

2 gc victories actually (Tirreno and Romandie) + a stage.

Rabobank have been the most improved team. They are such a strong team with so many guys who cantake victories.

BMC have been quite dissapointing, looking at their recruitments and the quality of their riders, they should really have some more wins. They have been close in quite a few races though. MV, you shouldn't just judge a team on number of wins.

 

[greenedge]

ACF what team will you go for after Cadel retires??? GE/ Garmin if they keep Bobridge/ Meyers or another team with aussies in it.

 

[auscyclefan94]

ACF what team will you go for after Cadel retires??? GE/ Garmin if they keep Bobridge/ Meyers or another team with aussies in it.

I'm not sure. I'll probably enjoy cycling more as a whole which the posters on the forum will be happy about as I won't be so biased towards BMC. I always hope the aussies go well. I generally am attached to athletes in general who are fair, compete with passion and are humble. For some reason, I don't feel overly attached to many of the current Australian riders. I certainly think there is a 'boys club' going on amongst some australian riders. I will barrack for Bobridge and Meyer but I am a bit sceptical on how good these guys (especially Cam) will go on the road.

I may need some suggestions of who I will become a fan of.

back on topic, I have been a bit dissapointed with Garmin but impressed with Lotto even if Gilbert has contributed a fair bit to their total.

 

[Astana1]

Any team that has won a monument is having a pretty good year I would say.

The team I would give props to is Saxobank. They lost a good bit of their strength but are still very competitive. It's almost like Riis hasn't lost a step. That alone made winning Flanders really special.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

the aussies have so much awesomely talented riders you have a large selection to chose from

 

[auscyclefan94]

the aussies have so much awesomely talented riders you have a large selection to chose from

yeah I guess, may be I will go for tim roe so I can continue to support BMC. Everyone seems to talk up meyer and bobridge so much all the time. I fear that people will be very dissapointed if they don't live up to expectations. People are talking up meyer as a gc rider a fair bit but actual results justify that other than tthe esting done at the ais, he isn't known as being a stage racer. Tim isn't overly hyped up or talked about in the cycling media but for me has some potential so I'll support him. Seems like a nice quiet guy.

 

[orbis_25]

Katusha have been pretty bad so far. I know Pozzato isn't the most popular rider around, but I always hold out hope he'll achieve something. This year he's been non-existent. Rodriguez was 2nd at Fleche, Kolobnev 5th at Amstel, which are both impressive results, but other than that there hasn't been much. The team just seems quieter than usual. Maybe it's the lack of hype around Pippo's latest shoes...

 

[Captain_Cavman]

Here are some figures for you. A comparison of how many points a team has scored compared to the same stage last year, on both ProTour and CQ rankings. (ProTour teams only, no Leopard)

The score is the percentage of last year's points at this point that have been scored this year. So if last year they had 200 points at this stage and have 300 this year, that's 150%.

ProTour Ranking

1. Sky 197%
2. RadioShack 185%
3. Garmin 170%
4. Ag2r 147%
5. HTC 144%
6. Rabobank 141%
7. Movistar 126%
8. BMC 121%
9. Omega 102%
10. Quick Step 101%
11. Lampre 97%
12. Saxo 71%
13. Liquigas 71%
14. Euskaltel 70%
15. Vacansoleil 67%
16. Astana 51%
17. Katusha 46%


CQ Ranking

1. BMC 535%
2. Sky 321%
3. Lampre 280%
4. Vacansoleil 263%
5. Garmin 246%
6. Radioshack 176%
7. Rabobank 155%
8. Movistar 131%
9. Quick Step 126%
10. Omega 111%
11. Ag2r 97%
12. HTC 74%
13. Euskaltel 72%
14. Katusha 62%
15. Astana 61%
16. Liquigas 56%
17. Saxo 39%

Just figures. No opinion. And, of course, they don't tell the full story.

Interesting stuff, it certainly challenges the impressions I had.

I thought Garmin had been disappointing but according to the stats they've made a big leap forward. And I thought that Lotto had made a big leap forward when according to the stats, they haven't.

The comparison of HTC, (CQ vs PT) is also interesting, no Greipel picking up wins in shitty small races perhaps.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Interesting stuff, it certainly challenges the impressions I had.

I thought Garmin had been disappointing but according to the stats they've made a big leap forward. And I thought that Lotto had made a big leap forward when according to the stats, they haven't.

The comparison of HTC, (CQ vs PT) is also interesting, no Greipel picking up wins in shitty small races perhaps.

I was just about to say that

 

[Anonymous]

Interesting stuff, it certainly challenges the impressions I had.

I thought Garmin had been disappointing but according to the stats they've made a big leap forward. .

maybe we should add garmin and cervelo's scores togther for last year, and then do the math and compare how they have done.

 

[Christian]

I'm not sure. I'll probably enjoy cycling more as a whole which the posters on the forum will be happy about as I won't be so biased towards BMC. I always hope the aussies go well. I generally am attached to athletes in general who are fair, compete with passion and are humble. For some reason, I don't feel overly attached to many of the current Australian riders. I certainly think there is a 'boys club' going on amongst some australian riders. I will barrack for Bobridge and Meyer but I am a bit sceptical on how good these guys (especially Cam) will go on the road.

I may need some suggestions of who I will become a fan of.

back on topic, I have been a bit dissapointed with Garmin but impressed with Lotto even if Gilbert has contributed a fair bit to their total.

We'd be glad to have you with us here at LEOPARD TREK mate, I'll have them send your manager an offer

 

[toolittle]

Interesting stuff, it certainly challenges the impressions I had.

I thought Garmin had been disappointing but according to the stats they've made a big leap forward. And I thought that Lotto had made a big leap forward when according to the stats, they haven't.

The comparison of HTC, (CQ vs PT) is also interesting, no Greipel picking up wins in shitty small races perhaps.

Neither CQ or UCI index represent 100% of actual team performance.

But I think UCI index is more popular and points are counted for Biggest races only.

CQ counts too much on f***ing small races.


IMO, Saxo bank is best-performed. No real big star but still manage to take big wins.
Lotto is good and many big wins with gilbert

Katusha is a strong team but poor result.

Leopard got good result but they must produce more with such a resources. It is a demostration of underperform.