Worst Team in the WT

[Oliwright]

Who do u guys reckon is the worst team in the WT?

Obviously there are very different budgets throughout the peleton, but i still think its worth opening this can of worms.

 

[burning]

Cannondale by a mile

 

[LaFlorecita]

Cannondale.
It was a pretty decent team before Vaughters corrupted it

 

[GenericBoonenFan]

Cannondale by far

 

[Brullnux]

Cannondale and IAM

I miss Liquigas

 

[BigMac]

Lampre of course...



...Joke, Lampre is not a team.

 

[burning]

Re:

Lampre of course...



...Joke, Lampre is not a team.

Ulissi is better than whole Cannondale combined, you just hate Lampre because Costa is doing nothing at all and you put blame on the team

 

[Oliwright]

IMO AG2R

 

[BigMac]

Re: Re:

Lampre of course...



...Joke, Lampre is not a team.

Ulissi is better than whole Cannondale combined, you just hate Lampre because Costa is doing nothing at all and you put blame on the team

Yes, that is exactly why.


Hint: no, it's not. You were to quick to pull the bias card.

 

[Anderis]

Cannondale is ahead of Lampre in CQ Team Ranking for 2016...

Can't see how you rate them below IAM.

 

[Oliwright]

WT team rankings mean nothing. I can't remember a single Canondale WT win all season. Lampre had an excellent Giro.

 

[BigMac]

Cannondale is ahead of Lampre in CQ Team Ranking for 2016...

Can't see how you rate them below IAM.

Lots of teams worse than Cannondale.

WT team rankings mean nothing. I can't remember a single Canondale WT win all season. Lampre had an excellent Giro.

That's why Anderis mentioned CQ Rankings, not WT.

 

[Oliwright]

IAM's budget is much much less than Canondale.

 

[BigMac]

IAM's budget is much much less than Canondale.

That should have no bearing at all in objectively pointing out the worst team.

 

[Anderis]

WT team rankings mean nothing. I can't remember a single Canondale WT win all season. Lampre had an excellent Giro.

Cannondale didn't have bad Giro team-wise. There were moments when they were outnumbering Astana in mountains, let alone any other team.

Surely they are poor at winning recently but they are nowhere near the worst team in terms of depth.

 

[Oliwright]

IAM's budget is much much less than Canondale.

That should have no bearing at all in objectively pointing out the worst team.

Considering the achievement of both teams is similar in my view, then budget becomes a deciding factor.

 

[Oliwright]

WT team rankings mean nothing. I can't remember a single Canondale WT win all season. Lampre had an excellent Giro.

Cannondale didn't have bad Giro team-wise. There were moments when they were outnumbering Astana in mountains, let alone any other team.

Surely they are poor at winning recently but they are nowhere near the worst team in terms of depth.

Imo depth on a mountain stage in a Giro protecting a rider who finished just inside the top 10 isn't worth anywhere nears as much as a stage win. It depends what people class as success.

 

[Laplaz]

IAM Cycling imo

 

[May0maniac]

Lampre has an even smaller budget, only 7.5m, but you're right, it's not just about the money.
The Cannondale team was already pretty bad in 2014, they still had Sagan but other than that it was just a shadow of the mighty Liquigas squad.

 

[Anderis]

Imo depth on a mountain stage in a Giro protecting a rider who finished just inside the top 10 isn't worth anywhere nears as much as a stage win. It depends what people class as success.

Strong team doesn't always mean a successful team.

There's a lot of room for disagreement because it's hard to set clear criteria for finding the "worst" team. I disagree that Cannondale is the worst, because they're not the last in any measurable way (wins, CQ Team Ranking, WT Team Ranking) and sometimes they show depth that's much stronger than their recent top results would suggest.

 

[Alexandre B.]

Let's see the top 5 of each WT team on the UCI World Ranking.

Astana
8°) Vincenzo Nibali = 1448,75
32°) Miguel Ángel Lopez = 836.75
60°) Jakob Fuglsang = 499
80°) Luis Leon Sanchez = 421
96°) Tanel Kangert = 380

AG2R La Mondiale
19°) Romain Bardet = 1064
50°) Samuel Dumoulin = 620
85°) Jan Bakelants = 411
102°) Pierre Latour = 366
117°) Domenico Pozzovivo = 335

BMC Racing Team
9°) Richie Porte = 1373
11°) Greg Van Avermaet = 1338
39°) Samuel Sanchez = 722
46°) Tejay Van Garderen = 657
67°) Philippe Gilbert = 463

Cannondale
89°) Rigoberto Uran = 398
116°) Andrew Talansky = 335
122°) Michael Woods = 321
133°) Lawson Craddock = 293
137°) Dylan van Baarle = 287

Etixx-Quick Step
21°) Julian Alaphilippe = 1010
25°) Daniel Martin = 949
33°) Bob Jungels = 810
35°) Marcel Kittel = 795
40°) Petr Vakoc = 720

FDJ
6°) Thibaut Pinot = 1473
26°) Arnaud Démare = 933.79
53°) Arthur Vichot = 580
75°) Sébastien Reichenbach = 428
170°) Matthieu Ladagnous = 230.79

IAM Cycling
57°) Jarlinson Pantano = 542
65°) Dries Devenyns = 480
108°) Heinrich Haussler = 359
135°) Jérôme Coppel = 292
138°) Leigh Howard = 285

Lampre-Merida
16°) Rui Costa = 1088
18°) Diego Ulissi = 1076
181°) Yukiya Arashiro = 219
188°) Sacha Modolo = 206
198°) Louis Meintjes = 199

Lotto Soudal
29°) André Greipel = 867
56°) Jurgen Roelandts = 553
62°) Tiesj Benoot = 491
63°) Tony Gallopin = 483
95°) Jens Debusschere = 384

Movistar
2°) Alejandro Valverde = 1775
4°) Nairo Quintana = 1576.25
7°) Ion Izagirre = 1456
47°) Giovanni Visconti = 644
91°) Juan José Lobato = 394

Orica GreenEDGE
30°) Simon Gerrans = 863
31°) Esteban Chaves = 856
45°) Michael Matthews = 659
48°) Michael Albasini = 634
59°) Mathew Hayman = 508

Dimension Data
27°) Edvald Boasson Hagen = 908
64°) Mark Cavendish = 482
125°) Reinardt Janse van Rensburg = 316
165°) Youcef Reguigui = 240
218°) Kanstantsin Siutsou = 179

Giant-Alpecin
42°) Tom Dumoulin = 697
43°) Warren Barguil = 684
118°) Nikias Arndt = 330
212°) Sam Oomen = 186
317°) Søren Kragh Andersen = 135

Katusha
10°) Alexander Kristoff = 1349
14°) Ilnur Zakarin = 1126
97°) Joaquim Rodriguez = 380
100°) Simon Spilak = 371
103°) Viacheslav Kuznetsov = 365

LottoNL-Jumbo
13°) Sep Vanmarcke = 1275
34°) Dylan Groenewegen = 795
36°) Steven Kruijswijk = 775
77°) Wilco Kelderman = 426
151°) Primož Roglic = 260

Team Sky
15°) Sergio Luis Henao = 1091
20°) Wouter Poels = 1051
28°) Christopher Froome = 904
37°) Geraint Thomas = 773
38°) Michal Kwiatkowski = 760

Tinkoff
1°) Peter Sagan = 2433
3°) Alberto Contador = 1652
61°) Rafał Majka = 496
69°) Michael Valgren = 444
71°) Roman Kreuziger = 440

Trek-Segafredo
5°) Fabian Cancellara = 1519
41°) Giacomo Nizzolo = 711
68°) Jasper Stuyven = 452
70°) Bauke Mollema = 442
75°) Edward Theuns = 428

 

[TMP402]

If Contador and Sagan weren't on Tinkoff I might have to go with them, but otherwise IAM.

 

[PremierAndrew]

Re:

If Contador and Sagan weren't on Tinkoff I might have to go with them, but otherwise IAM.

Kreuziger and Majka alone are better than a couple of teams on WT

 

[PremierAndrew]

Re:

Let's see the top 5 of each WT team on the UCI World Ranking.

WT rankings are a pretty bad indicator though. Unless, of course, winning the Tour Down Under and a top 5 finish on a stage is indeed more prestigious than winning Paris-Roubaix

 

[burning]

Re: Re:

Let's see the top 5 of each WT team on the UCI World Ranking.

WT rankings are a pretty bad indicator though. Unless, of course, winning the Tour Down Under and a top 5 finish on a stage is indeed more prestigious than winning Paris-Roubaix

UCI ranking is different compared to WT ranking.

Cannondale has only 5 wins and their biggest win is a stage on California which has a complete trash lineup. Their best result in this season is a 2nd placement on a stage in Giro.

Giant got decimated by the accident but they still managed to get 2 Giro victories, so they are better than Cannondale even without Degenkolb.

Lampre: 2 Giro stage + a Catalunya stage as WT victories.

IAM: Giro + Tour de Suisse stage victories

DDD: 4 WT victories

Cannondale is easily the worst team by a mile, its not even close