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OK, thhree new teams overnight that I haven't acknowledged directly, but to @del1962 , @Googolplex and @Twiddle87 (great to have new players aboard: welcome), all is OK and your teams are entered: thanks, good luckand enjoy.
So that makes 30 teams: always a shame to see a few stalwarts absent, and I fear that at least some of those are due to the troubles at VeloRooms.
But those that we do have: the teams
30 of them, sorting within team is by price
The Riders
So that makes 30 teams: always a shame to see a few stalwarts absent, and I fear that at least some of those are due to the troubles at VeloRooms.
But those that we do have: the teams
30 of them, sorting within team is by price
| Amis Velo | PIDCOCK Thomas | |
| ALAPHILIPPE Julian | ||
| TURNER Ben | ||
| POLITT Nils | ||
| JORGENSON Matteo | ||
| ASGREEN Kasper | ||
| SIMMONS Quinn | ||
| MILAN Jonathan | ||
| MOSCON Gianni | ||
| SCHELLING Ide | ||
| LEDANOIS Kévin | * | |
| HALVORSEN Kristoffer | ||
| Anderis | PIDCOCK Thomas | |
| ALAPHILIPPE Julian | ||
| TURNER Ben | ||
| TULETT Ben | ||
| ASGREEN Kasper | ||
| SIMMONS Quinn | ||
| COSTA Rui Alberto Faria | ||
| VAN WILDER Ilan | ||
| VAN EETVELT Lennert | ||
| GLOAG Thomas | ||
| PEDERSEN Casper Phillip | ||
| DEKKER David | ||
| Armchair Cyclist | PIDCOCK Thomas | |
| ALAPHILIPPE Julian | ||
| SAGAN Peter | ||
| HONORE Mikkel Frølich | ||
| KWIATKOWSKI Michal | ||
| ASGREEN Kasper | ||
| SIMMONS Quinn | ||
| SCHACHMANN Maximilian | ||
| MILAN Jonathan | ||
| HOELGAARD Markus | * | |
| WALLS Matthew | ||
| DEKKER David | ||
| Blues in the Bottle | PIDCOCK Thomas | |
| BENOOT Tiesj | * | |
| ALAPHILIPPE Julian | ||
| POLITT Nils | ||
| JORGENSON Matteo | ||
| SIMMONS Quinn | ||
| VAN EETVELT Lennert | ||
| GLOAG Thomas | ||
| MOSCON Gianni | ||
| GRIGNARD Sébastien | * | |
| ENGELHARDT Felix | * | |
| EEKHOFF Nils | ||
| Bminchow | PIDCOCK Thomas | |
| ALAPHILIPPE Julian | ||
| SAGAN Peter | ||
| TURNER Ben | ||
| VERMEERSCH Florian | ||
| ASGREEN Kasper | ||
| SIMMONS Quinn | ||
| MILAN Jonathan | ||
| GLOAG Thomas | ||
| MOSCON Gianni | ||
| VADER Milan | ||
| DEKKER David | ||
| BR | SHEFFIELD Magnus | |
| ALAPHILIPPE Julian | ||
| TURNER Ben | ||
| VERMEERSCH Florian | ||
| BIERMANS Jenthe | * | |
| SIMMONS Quinn | ||
| PAGE Hugo | ||
| MILAN Jonathan | ||
| VAN EETVELT Lennert | ||
| PENHOËT Paul | ||
| PEDERSEN Casper Phillip | ||
| MAYRHOFER Marius | ||
| Comodoro | PIDCOCK Thomas | |
| ALAPHILIPPE Julian | ||
| SENECHAL Florian | * | |
| WRIGHT Fred | ||
| GAVIRIA RENDON Fernando | * | |
| PAGE Hugo | ||
| VAN DEN BERG Marijn | ||
| VAN EETVELT Lennert | ||
| HERMANS Ben | ||
| MAYRHOFER Marius | ||
| QUICK Blake | * | |
| VAN DE PAAR Jarne | ||
| Del 1962 | PIDCOCK Thomas | |
| ALAPHILIPPE Julian | ||
| SAGAN Peter | ||
| LAMPAERT Yves | * | |
| TURNER Ben | ||
| ASGREEN Kasper | ||
| SCHACHMANN Maximilian | ||
| MØRKØV CHRISTENSEN Michael | * | |
| MOSCON Gianni | ||
| ROWE Luke | * | |
| SCHELLING Ide | ||
| BERNAL GOMEZ Egan Arley | ||
| Devil's Elbow | PIDCOCK Thomas | |
| ALAPHILIPPE Julian | ||
| STUYVEN Jasper | ||
| HONORE Mikkel Frølich | ||
| ASGREEN Kasper | ||
| WELSFORD Samuel | ||
| SCHACHMANN Maximilian | ||
| WAERENSKJOLD Søren | ||
| MILAN Jonathan | ||
| GREGOIRE Romain | ||
| SCHELLING Ide | ||
| DEKKER David | ||
| DJSprtsch | VAN DER POEL Mathieu | |
| LUTSENKO Alexey | * | |
| NARVAEZ PRADO Jhonatan Manuel | ||
| ASGREEN Kasper | ||
| HERREGODTS Rune | * | |
| WAERENSKJOLD Søren | ||
| MARIT Arne | ||
| GRONDIN Donavan | * | |
| REX Laurenz | ||
| PEDERSEN Casper Phillip | ||
| SVRCEK Martin | * | |
| DEKKER David | ||
| DJW | VAN BAARLE Dylan | * |
| PIDCOCK Thomas | ||
| Alaphilippe Julian | ||
| TURNER Ben | ||
| ANDERSEN Søren Kragh | ||
| ASGREEN Kasper | ||
| O'Brien Kelland | * | |
| VAN KEIRSBULCK Guillaume | ||
| HALVORSEN Kristoffer | ||
| PEDERSEN Casper Phillip | ||
| HEIDUK Kim | ||
| MAYRHOFER Marius | ||
| Evans is the Best | VAN DER POEL Mathieu | |
| PIDCOCK Thomas | ||
| ALAPHILIPPE Julian | ||
| ASGREEN Kasper | ||
| SCHACHMANN Maximilian | ||
| GLOAG Thomas | ||
| SCHELLING Ide | ||
| BOARO Manuele | * | |
| PEDERSEN Casper Phillip | ||
| HERMANS Ben | ||
| BERNAL GOMEZ Egan Arley | ||
| DEKKER David | ||
| Googolplex | PIDCOCK Thomas | |
| WELLENS Tim | ||
| ALAPHILIPPE Julian | ||
| STUYVEN Jasper | ||
| BAGIOLI Andrea | ||
| VAN WILDER Ilan | ||
| MILAN Jonathan | ||
| VAN EETVELT Lennert | ||
| HEIDUK Kim | ||
| MAYRHOFER Marius | ||
| DEKKER David | ||
| TARLING Joshua | ||
| Hfgon1 | PIDCOCK Thomas | |
| ALAPHILIPPE Julian | ||
| STEWART Jake | * | |
| HONORE Mikkel Frølich | ||
| KWIATKOWSKI Michal | ||
| ASGREEN Kasper | ||
| SIMMONS Quinn | ||
| SCHACHMANN Maximilian | ||
| STYBAR Zdenek | ||
| BOL Cees | * | |
| SCHELLING Ide | ||
| PEDERSEN Casper Phillip | ||
| Josedin | SHEFFIELD Magnus | |
| PIDCOCK Thomas | ||
| WRIGHT Fred | ||
| TURNER Ben | ||
| VAN GILS Maxim | * | |
| VERNON Ethan | * | |
| VAN DEN BERG Marijn | ||
| BARONCINI Filippo | * | |
| MAYRHOFER Marius | ||
| VAN DEN BOSSCHE Fabio | * | |
| WALLS Matthew | ||
| WOOD Harrison | * | |
| Jumbo Visma Fan | PIDCOCK Thomas | |
| ALAPHILIPPE Julian | ||
| ANDERSEN Søren Kragh | ||
| TULETT Ben | ||
| PAGE Hugo | ||
| SCHACHMANN Maximilian | ||
| WAERENSKJOLD Søren | ||
| MILAN Jonathan | ||
| VAN EETVELT Lennert | ||
| GREGOIRE Romain | ||
| MARIT Arne | ||
| BARRE Louis | * | |
| Kazistuta | PIDCOCK Thomas | |
| ALAPHILIPPE Julian | ||
| TURNER Ben | ||
| BAGIOLI Andrea | ||
| HONORE Mikkel Frølich | ||
| ASGREEN Kasper | ||
| SIMMONS Quinn | ||
| STYBAR Zdenek | ||
| MOSCHETTI Matteo | ||
| WÜRTZ SCHMIDT Mads | * | |
| MOSCON Gianni | ||
| PEDERSEN Casper Phillip | ||
| Laarsland | PIDCOCK Thomas | |
| ALAPHILIPPE Julian | ||
| STUYVEN Jasper | ||
| TEUNISSEN Mike | ||
| ASGREEN Kasper | ||
| BALLERINI Davide | * | |
| MILAN Jonathan | ||
| VAN EETVELT Lennert | ||
| BYSTRØM Sven Erik | ||
| STYBAR Zdenek | ||
| SCHELLING Ide | ||
| PEDERSEN Casper Phillip | ||
| Leadbelly | WELLENS Tim | |
| STUYVEN Jasper | ||
| PASQUALON Andrea | * | |
| TURNER Ben | ||
| NARVAEZ PRADO Jhonatan Manuel | ||
| HONORE Mikkel Frølich | ||
| COSTA Rui Alberto Faria | ||
| PENHOËT Paul | ||
| REX Laurenz | ||
| RIVERA VARGAS Brandon Smith | * | |
| PEDERSEN Casper Phillip | ||
| DEKKER David | ||
| Madrazo | PIDCOCK Thomas | |
| ALAPHILIPPE Julian | ||
| SAGAN Peter | ||
| TURNER Ben | ||
| ASGREEN Kasper | ||
| VANMARCKE Sep | ||
| SCHACHMANN Maximilian | ||
| MILAN Jonathan | ||
| STYBAR Zdenek | ||
| SCHELLING Ide | ||
| PEDERSEN Casper Phillip | ||
| DEKKER David | ||
| Peixotini | ALAPHILIPPE Julian | |
| STUYVEN Jasper | ||
| SAGAN Peter | ||
| TURNER Ben | ||
| POLITT Nils | ||
| ANDERSEN Søren Kragh | ||
| COSTA Rui Alberto Faria | ||
| VAN TRICHT Stan | * | |
| GREGOIRE Romain | ||
| MOSCON Gianni | ||
| PEDERSEN Casper Phillip | ||
| MAYRHOFER Marius | ||
| Redhead Dane | WALSCHEID Maximilian | * |
| TURNER Ben | ||
| HOOLE Daan | * | |
| MILAN Jonathan | ||
| ROOSEN Timo | * | |
| RUTSCH Jonas | * | |
| NORSGAARD JØRGENSEN Mathias | * | |
| LUDVIGSSON Tobias | * | |
| SCHÄR Michael | * | |
| LAENGEN Vegard Stake | * | |
| HOLLENSTEIN Reto | * | |
| PRICE-PEJTERSEN Johan | * | |
| Rote Laterne | PIDCOCK Thomas | |
| ALAPHILIPPE Julian | ||
| STUYVEN Jasper | ||
| TURNER Ben | ||
| HONORE Mikkel Frølich | ||
| KWIATKOWSKI Michal | ||
| ASGREEN Kasper | ||
| SCHACHMANN Maximilian | ||
| SCHELLING Ide | ||
| DEKKER David | ||
| GERITS Vince | * | |
| HOFSTEDE Lennard | * | |
| Rufs | GIRMAY HAILU Biniam | * |
| ALAPHILIPPE Julian | ||
| TRATNIK Jan | * | |
| LAURANCE Axel | * | |
| ASGREEN Kasper | ||
| MILAN Jonathan | ||
| MOSCHETTI Matteo | ||
| MALUCELLI Matteo | * | |
| KORETZKY Victor | * | |
| SCHELLING Ide | ||
| VADER Milan | ||
| VAN DE PAAR Jarne | ||
| Salvarani | VAN DER POEL Mathieu | |
| TURNER Ben | ||
| BAGIOLI Andrea | ||
| COSTA Rui Alberto Faria | ||
| WELSFORD Samuel | ||
| MILAN Jonathan | ||
| VAN ASBROECK Tom | * | |
| GREGOIRE Romain | ||
| NYS Thibau | * | |
| BERCKMOES Jenno | * | |
| PEDERSEN Casper Phillip | ||
| TARLING Joshua | ||
| Search | PIDCOCK Thomas | |
| ALAPHILIPPE Julian | ||
| JUNGELS Bob | * | |
| SAGAN Peter | ||
| POLITT Nils | ||
| COSTA Rui Alberto Faria | ||
| SCHACHMANN Maximilian | ||
| STYBAR Zdenek | ||
| MOSCON Gianni | ||
| EEKHOFF Nils | ||
| PEDERSEN Casper Phillip | ||
| DEKKER David | ||
| Slow Climber | PIDCOCK Thomas | |
| ALAPHILIPPE Julian | ||
| WRIGHT Fred | ||
| KRON Andreas Lorentz | * | |
| SIMMONS Quinn | ||
| COSTA Rui Alberto Faria | ||
| SCHACHMANN Maximilian | ||
| MILAN Jonathan | ||
| VAN EETVELT Lennert | ||
| MOSCHETTI Matteo | ||
| PEDERSEN Casper Phillip | ||
| HEIDUK Kim | ||
| TRiley36 | PIDCOCK Thomas | |
| ALAPHILIPPE Julian | ||
| WRIGHT Fred | ||
| TEUNISSEN Mike | ||
| ASGREEN Kasper | ||
| SIMMONS Quinn | ||
| VAN DEN BERG Marijn | ||
| SCHACHMANN Maximilian | ||
| STYBAR Zdenek | ||
| MOSCON Gianni | ||
| SCHELLING Ide | ||
| EEKHOFF Nils | ||
| Twiddle87 | PIDCOCK Thomas | |
| MEEUS Jordi | * | |
| ANDERSEN Søren Kragh | ||
| ASGREEN Kasper | ||
| SIMMONS Quinn | ||
| PAGE Hugo | ||
| GENIETS Kévin | * | |
| WAERENSKJOLD Søren | ||
| BYSTRØM Sven Erik | ||
| MARTINEZ Lenny | * | |
| MOSCHETTI Matteo | ||
| PEDERSEN Casper Phillip | ||
| Vladimir | ALAPHILIPPE Julian | |
| SAGAN Peter | ||
| POLITT Nils | ||
| ANDERSEN Søren Kragh | ||
| TEUNISSEN Mike | ||
| ASGREEN Kasper | ||
| VANMARCKE Sep | ||
| PAGE Hugo | ||
| GUERNALEC Thibault | * | |
| MOSCON Gianni | ||
| VAN KEIRSBULCK Guillaume | ||
| EEKHOFF Nils |
The Riders
| Teams | |
| 24 | ALAPHILIPPE Julian |
| 22 | PIDCOCK Thomas |
| 18 | ASGREEN Kasper |
| 15 | PEDERSEN Casper Phillip |
| 14 | TURNER Ben |
| 13 | MILAN Jonathan |
| 11 | DEKKER David, SCHACHMANN Maximilian, SIMMONS Quinn |
| 10 | SCHELLING Ide |
| 9 | MOSCON Gianni |
| 8 | VAN EETVELT Lennert |
| The above names constitute the Collective Wisdom team: it is well below budget (2590) | |
| 7 | SAGAN Peter |
| 6 | COSTA Rui Alberto Faria, HONORE Mikkel Frølich, MAYRHOFER Marius, STUYVEN Jasper, STYBAR Zdenek |
| 5 | ANDERSEN Søren Kragh, PAGE Hugo, POLITT Nils |
| 4 | EEKHOFF Nils, GLOAG Thomas, GREGOIRE Romain, MOSCHETTI Matteo, WAERENSKJOLD Søren, WRIGHT Fred |
| 3 | BAGIOLI Andrea, HEIDUK Kim, KWIATKOWSKI Michal, TEUNISSEN Mike, VAN DEN BERG Marijn, VAN DER POEL Mathieu |
| 2 | BERNAL GOMEZ Egan Arley, BYSTRØM Sven Erik, HALVORSEN Kristoffer, HERMANS Ben, JORGENSON Matteo, MARIT Arne, NARVAEZ PRADO Jhonatan Manuel, PENHOËT Paul, REX Laurenz, SHEFFIELD Magnus, TARLING Joshua, TULETT Ben, VADER Milan, VAN DE PAAR Jarne, VAN KEIRSBULCK Guillaume, VAN WILDER Ilan, VANMARCKE Sep, VERMEERSCH Florian, WALLS Matthew, WELLENS Tim, WELSFORD Samuel |
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Very happy about Welsford only being picked twice. Supposedly he's doing all four of Nokere, Koksijde, De Panne and Scheldeprijs so he could easily even turn a profit. Stuyven another one on my team who's surprisingly rare.
Layout a bit different as I am not doing things via Velorooms, and this site's software can only paste from Excel as tables.
One rare pick on my team in Sep Vanmarcke. He may be over the hill but still sounded optimistic on getting many results, and then he has just been on my team every single year in the contest, where he has often done well for me, so he had to get a final nostalgic run.
Bad start for half the teams including mine with Turner crashing out of Omloop just now. I was very tempted to change him to Fred Wright to better fit the points last night, since my team really struggled to get close to the 3000, and having to change Moscon (after he stated only to ride Ardennes) to Schelling last night, only made it worse, but decided he was just better in the end. Hopefully he is not too badly injured.
Good luck to all!
Bad start for half the teams including mine with Turner crashing out of Omloop just now. I was very tempted to change him to Fred Wright to better fit the points last night, since my team really struggled to get close to the 3000, and having to change Moscon (after he stated only to ride Ardennes) to Schelling last night, only made it worse, but decided he was just better in the end. Hopefully he is not too badly injured.
Good luck to all!
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Could be a fun game for me if these guys deliver: Costa (6 picks), Gregiore (4 picks), MVDP (3 picks), Bagioli (3 picks), Welsford (2 picks) and Tarling (2 picks).
Add to that three unique picks in Nys, Berckmoes and Van Asbroeck.
Turner, Pedersen and Milan were in top 6 of the most common riders.
Wanted to go a bit different when I knew guys like Pidcock, Ala and so would be quite popular. I have them in the main game, so wanted to go with a different strategy here. Lets see how it goes!
Add to that three unique picks in Nys, Berckmoes and Van Asbroeck.
Turner, Pedersen and Milan were in top 6 of the most common riders.
Wanted to go a bit different when I knew guys like Pidcock, Ala and so would be quite popular. I have them in the main game, so wanted to go with a different strategy here. Lets see how it goes!
Probably should have gone with De Lie instead of Boaro as my unique pick. Well I made my bed now I have to (De) Lie in it.
Team popularity
For each rider, their score is the number of teams they are on (as above: unique picks are not in that table but are marked with an asterisk in the team listings)
Those additional teams at the bottom: the Collective Wisdom team is, as named above, the 12 most popular picks here.
The So Last Year team are the combination of riders that I can find to fit within budget who are still riding on teams that might get them a ride here and have the highest total score in the same races from last year. Only Asgreen and to a lesser extent Stuyven are notably popular as picks here, and 5 of them are not deemed worthy of a pick at all:
And the Main Game team is the top 12 riders in popularity (I can't remember whether I needed to leave any out or budget considerations) in Skidmark's season long CQ game. Some of them were obviously not picked for their potential in these races, and this team is even farther below budget than the Collective Wisdom team.
Hoping to repeat, or praying they don't?
I can apply the same points as determined the So Last Year team to our teams, so this is what to expect if every rider does exactly the same results as last year.
Expensive picks
I would usually do a listing of riders who have been included that cost more than twice the average spend available (so >500 pts), but the popularity of Pidcock means that that would be very cluttered, so I'll do it a bit differently.
Riders more expensive than 500 other than Pidcock that have been selected:
Van der Poel (1230pts) DJSprtsch, Evans is the Best*, Salvarani
Girmay (1048) Rufs
Van Baarle (694) DJW*
Sheffield (621) BR, Josedin*
Wellens (586) Googolplex*, Leadbelly
Benoot (543) Blues in the Bottle*
Teams with Pidcock (599) asterisked, the others that do not have him are Peixotini and Vladimir (both have Alaphilippe (489)) as their most expensive pick, and Redhead Dane (Walscheid (441)).
For each rider, their score is the number of teams they are on (as above: unique picks are not in that table but are marked with an asterisk in the team listings)
| rank | Team | Score | Unique picks |
1 | Madrazo | 153 | 0 |
2 | Anderis | 137 | 0 |
2 | Bminchow | 137 | 0 |
4 | Kazistuta | 133 | 1 |
5 | AmisVelo | 131 | 1 |
5 | DevilsElbow | 131 | 0 |
7 | Armchair | 129 | 1 |
8 | Hfgon1 | 128 | 2 |
8 | Laarsland | 128 | 1 |
10 | RoteLaterne | 127 | 2 |
11 | Triley36 | 125 | 0 |
12 | EvansIsTheBest | 123 | 1 |
13 | SlowClimber | 122 | 1 |
14 | Search | 121 | 1 |
15 | Del1962 | 120 | 3 |
16 | DJW | 113 | 2 |
17 | BR | 103 | 1 |
18 | Googolplex | 102 | 0 |
18 | Peixotini | 102 | 1 |
20 | JumboVismaFan | 101 | 1 |
21 | Blues_in_the_Bottle | 92 | 3 |
22 | Twiddle87 | 89 | 3 |
23 | Vladimir | 85 | 1 |
24 | Comodoro | 79 | 3 |
25 | Rufs | 78 | 5 |
26 | Leadbelly | 68 | 2 |
27 | Salvarani | 65 | 3 |
28 | DJSprtsch | 61 | 4 |
29 | Josedin | 58 | 5 |
30 | RedheadDane | 37 | 10 |
| Collective Wisdom | 166 | 0 | |
| So Last Year | 32 | 5 | |
| Main Game | 112 | 2 |
Those additional teams at the bottom: the Collective Wisdom team is, as named above, the 12 most popular picks here.
The So Last Year team are the combination of riders that I can find to fit within budget who are still riding on teams that might get them a ride here and have the highest total score in the same races from last year. Only Asgreen and to a lesser extent Stuyven are notably popular as picks here, and 5 of them are not deemed worthy of a pick at all:
| VAN BAARLE Dylan |
| BENOOT Tiesj |
| STUYVEN Jasper |
| KWIATKOWSKI Michal |
| ASGREEN Kasper |
| VENDRAME Andrea |
| WELSFORD Samuel |
| HAUSSLER Heinrich |
| DE TIER Floris |
| SAJNOK Szymon |
| BOARO Manuele |
| SCULLY Tom |
And the Main Game team is the top 12 riders in popularity (I can't remember whether I needed to leave any out or budget considerations) in Skidmark's season long CQ game. Some of them were obviously not picked for their potential in these races, and this team is even farther below budget than the Collective Wisdom team.
| ALAPHILIPPE Julian |
| BERNAL GOMEZ Egan Arley |
| SCHACHMANN Maximilian |
| ASGREEN Kasper |
| PIDCOCK Thomas |
| MOSCON Gianni |
| UIJTDEBROEKS Cian |
| GREGOIRE Romain |
| MARTINEZ Lenny |
| DEKKER David |
| SCHELLING Ide |
| HAYTER Leo |
Hoping to repeat, or praying they don't?
I can apply the same points as determined the So Last Year team to our teams, so this is what to expect if every rider does exactly the same results as last year.
1 | DJW | 1712 |
2 | EvansIsTheBest | 1467 |
3 | RoteLaterne | 1436 |
4 | DJSprtsch | 1327 |
5 | Salvarani | 1176 |
6 | DevilsElbow | 1173 |
7 | Laarsland | 1171 |
8 | Del1962 | 1113 |
9 | Peixotini | 1106 |
10 | Triley36 | 1102 |
11 | AmisVelo | 1100 |
12 | Rufs | 1077 |
13 | Armchair | 1069 |
14 | Hfgon1 | 1063 |
15 | Bminchow | 1054 |
16 | Vladimir | 1018 |
17 | Blues_in_the_Bottle | 1012 |
18 | Madrazo | 994 |
19 | Kazistuta | 991 |
20 | Leadbelly | 983 |
21 | Twiddle87 | 971 |
22 | Anderis | 920 |
23 | Josedin | 886 |
24 | Googolplex | 855 |
25 | Comodoro | 852 |
26 | RedheadDane | 745 |
27 | JumboVismaFan | 737 |
28 | Search | 707 |
29 | BR | 704 |
30 | SlowClimber | 650 |
| CollectiveWisdom | 950 | |
| SoLastYear | 2270 | |
| MainGamePop | 681 |
Expensive picks
I would usually do a listing of riders who have been included that cost more than twice the average spend available (so >500 pts), but the popularity of Pidcock means that that would be very cluttered, so I'll do it a bit differently.
Riders more expensive than 500 other than Pidcock that have been selected:
Van der Poel (1230pts) DJSprtsch, Evans is the Best*, Salvarani
Girmay (1048) Rufs
Van Baarle (694) DJW*
Sheffield (621) BR, Josedin*
Wellens (586) Googolplex*, Leadbelly
Benoot (543) Blues in the Bottle*
Teams with Pidcock (599) asterisked, the others that do not have him are Peixotini and Vladimir (both have Alaphilippe (489)) as their most expensive pick, and Redhead Dane (Walscheid (441)).
Yeah, that would have required savings of about 200 points per rider on each of your other selections.
Team Similarity
Madrazo, who by a long way has the most popular team, not surprisingly has a nine man overlap with the Collective Wisdom team. Three other teams have 8 of the most popular 12: Amis Velo, Anderis and Bminchow.
But of the real teams, only Devil's Elbow and Rote Laterne have 8 riders in common.
7 shared riders are much more common: there are 18 such pairings, and Madrazo is half of half of them.
Spreadsheet
Find the teams most similar to yours, and anything else you might care to uncover, in the spreadsheet that is, and will remain, here on Google Docs. I won't post the link every time, but the spreadsheet gets updated at the same place all the time (rather than my saving a separate version after each race)
I doubt I will actually get today's results into it until tomorrow, but we can probably assume that DJW (only team with DvB) has made a good start, and that the Ardeche Classic has yielded a lot more points than it usually does.
Madrazo, who by a long way has the most popular team, not surprisingly has a nine man overlap with the Collective Wisdom team. Three other teams have 8 of the most popular 12: Amis Velo, Anderis and Bminchow.
But of the real teams, only Devil's Elbow and Rote Laterne have 8 riders in common.
7 shared riders are much more common: there are 18 such pairings, and Madrazo is half of half of them.
Spreadsheet
Find the teams most similar to yours, and anything else you might care to uncover, in the spreadsheet that is, and will remain, here on Google Docs. I won't post the link every time, but the spreadsheet gets updated at the same place all the time (rather than my saving a separate version after each race)
I doubt I will actually get today's results into it until tomorrow, but we can probably assume that DJW (only team with DvB) has made a good start, and that the Ardeche Classic has yielded a lot more points than it usually does.
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Fractured elbow for Turner... he will probably be out for a few weeks, missing most of the classics season.
If only one of the few riders I could have expected to bring me some points could have refrained from fracturing his elbow...
Race 1: Faun Ardeche
In the 2021 version of this game, the rider who finished 9th was a unique pick, and that was it for points from this event: 28 points scored. A bit different this time around:
Peixotini had Gregoire and Costa as well as Alaphilippe: the teams that could feel good about their unique picks of Van Gils and Martinez are languishing for the lack of Alaphilippe.
The green points are the secondary competition: regardless of the level of the race, the same points are available for the top ten (80, 50, 35, 25, 15, 10, 5, 3, 2, 1), with the proviso that if fewer than 10 teams score, fewer than 10 teams get points. Sometimes it simply reinforces the superiority of the winner - the hope is that it gives some other players something to hope for when overall victory is out of reach. Equal positions mean shared points, so lots of us have 6/17 to get us off the mark.
In the 2021 version of this game, the rider who finished 9th was a unique pick, and that was it for points from this event: 28 points scored. A bit different this time around:
| Race Pos'n | Pts | Teams | |
1 | ALAPHILIPPE Julian | 130 | 24 |
5 | GREGOIRE Romain | 52 | 4 |
9 | COSTA Rui Alberto Faria | 28 | 6 |
13 | VAN GILS Maxim | 16 | 1 |
17 | MARTINEZ Lenny | 9 | 1 |
21 | VAN WILDER Ilan | 5 | 2 |
Peixotini had Gregoire and Costa as well as Alaphilippe: the teams that could feel good about their unique picks of Van Gils and Martinez are languishing for the lack of Alaphilippe.
| Pts this race | Green points | |
| Peixotini | 210 | 80 |
| DevilsElbow | 182 | 42.5 |
| JumboVismaFan | 182 | 42.5 |
| Anderis | 163 | 25 |
| Search | 158 | 12.5 |
| SlowClimber | 158 | 12.5 |
| Googolplex | 135 | 5 |
| AmisVelo | 130 | 0.35 |
| Armchair | 130 | 0.35 |
| Blues_in_the_Bottle | 130 | 0.35 |
| Bminchow | 130 | 0.35 |
| BR | 130 | 0.35 |
| Comodoro | 130 | 0.35 |
| Del1962 | 130 | 0.35 |
| DJW | 130 | 0.35 |
| EvansIsTheBest | 130 | 0.35 |
| Hfgon1 | 130 | 0.35 |
| Kazistuta | 130 | 0.35 |
| Laarsland | 130 | 0.35 |
| Madrazo | 130 | 0.35 |
| RoteLaterne | 130 | 0.35 |
| Rufs | 130 | 0.35 |
| Triley36 | 130 | 0.35 |
| Vladimir | 130 | 0.35 |
| Salvarani | 80 | |
| Leadbelly | 28 | |
| Josedin | 16 | |
| Twiddle87 | 9 | |
| DJSprtsch | 0 | |
| RedheadDane | 0 |
The green points are the secondary competition: regardless of the level of the race, the same points are available for the top ten (80, 50, 35, 25, 15, 10, 5, 3, 2, 1), with the proviso that if fewer than 10 teams score, fewer than 10 teams get points. Sometimes it simply reinforces the superiority of the winner - the hope is that it gives some other players something to hope for when overall victory is out of reach. Equal positions mean shared points, so lots of us have 6/17 to get us off the mark.
Race 2: Omloop Het Nieuwsblad
The riders that were picked and scored:
Of the 100 other riders that finished, thus gaining 5 points, 24 were among our selections.
That might well prove to be the best that the 'So Last Year' team does: it had both Van Baarle and Benoot.
Standings: Green
I'll normally only post the top ten here
Main points
Hoping to get today's races done this evening
The riders that were picked and scored:
| Race Pos'n | Pts | Teams | |
1 | VAN BAARLE Dylan | 180 | 1 (DJW) |
5 | PIDCOCK Thomas | 70 | 22 |
6 | BALLERINI Davide | 62 | 1 (Laarsland) |
7 | POLITT Nils | 54 | 5 |
8 | PASQUALON Andrea | 46 | 1 (Leadbelly) |
10 | VANMARCKE Sep | 36 | 2 |
11 | TEUNISSEN Mike | 30 | 3 |
14 | SCHELLING Ide | 22 | 10 |
15 | BENOOT Tiesj | 20 | 1 |
17 | STEWART Jake | 16 | 1 |
18 | JORGENSON Matteo | 14 | 2 |
22 | SHEFFIELD Magnus | 9 | 2 |
24 | RUTSCH Jonas | 7 | 1 |
1 | DJW | 265 | 80 |
2 | Laarsland | 204 | 50 |
3 | Blues_in_the_Bottle | 168 | 35 |
4 | AmisVelo | 165 | 25 |
5 | Madrazo | 143 | 15 |
6 | Vladimir | 140 | 10 |
7 | Search | 139 | 5 |
8 | Triley36 | 132 | 3 |
9 | Hfgon1 | 118 | 2 |
10 | Del1962 | 107 | 1 |
11 | DevilsElbow | 102 | |
11 | RoteLaterne | 102 | |
13 | EvansIsTheBest | 97 | |
14 | Twiddle87 | 95 | |
15 | JumboVismaFan | 90 | |
16 | Armchair | 85 | |
16 | Bminchow | 85 | |
16 | Comodoro | 85 | |
16 | Googolplex | 85 | |
16 | SlowClimber | 85 | |
21 | Josedin | 84 | |
22 | Peixotini | 79 | |
23 | Anderis | 75 | |
23 | Kazistuta | 75 | |
25 | Leadbelly | 61 | |
26 | BR | 34 | |
27 | Rufs | 32 | |
28 | RedheadDane | 22 | |
29 | DJSprtsch | 10 | |
29 | Salvarani | 10 | |
| CollectiveWisdom | 102 | ||
| SoLastYear | 210 | ||
| MainGamePop | 92 |
Standings: Green
| Green points | change in rank | ||
1 | DJW | 80.35 | 23 |
2 | Peixotini | 80 | -1 |
3 | Laarsland | 50.35 | 5 |
4 | DevilsElbow | 42.5 | -2 |
4 | JumboVismaFan | 42.5 | -2 |
6 | Blues_in_the_Bottle | 35.35 | 2 |
7 | AmisVelo | 25.35 | 1 |
8 | Anderis | 25 | -4 |
9 | Search | 17.5 | -4 |
10 | Madrazo | 15.35 | 12 |
11 | SlowClimber | 12.5 | -6 |
12 | Vladimir | 10.35 | 10 |
13 | Googolplex | 5 | -6 |
14 | Triley36 | 3.35 | -3 |
15 | Hfgon1 | 2.35 | -4 |
16 | Del1962 | 1.35 | -5 |
17 | 8 teams | 0.35 | -3 |
25 | 6 teams | 0 | 0 |
Main points
| Team | Points | Change in rank | |
1 | DJW | 395 | 7 |
2 | Laarsland | 334 | 6 |
3 | Blues_in_the_Bottle | 298 | 5 |
4 | Search | 297 | 1 |
5 | AmisVelo | 295 | 3 |
6 | Peixotini | 289 | -5 |
7 | DevilsElbow | 284 | -5 |
8 | Madrazo | 273 | 0 |
9 | JumboVismaFan | 272 | -7 |
10 | Vladimir | 270 | -2 |
11 | Triley36 | 262 | -3 |
12 | Hfgon1 | 248 | -4 |
13 | SlowClimber | 243 | -8 |
14 | Anderis | 238 | -10 |
15 | Del1962 | 237 | -7 |
16 | RoteLaterne | 232 | -8 |
17 | EvansIsTheBest | 227 | -9 |
18 | Googolplex | 220 | -11 |
19 | Armchair | 215 | -11 |
19 | Bminchow | 215 | -11 |
19 | Comodoro | 215 | -11 |
22 | Kazistuta | 205 | -14 |
23 | BR | 164 | -15 |
24 | Rufs | 162 | -16 |
25 | Twiddle87 | 104 | 3 |
26 | Josedin | 100 | 1 |
27 | Salvarani | 90 | -2 |
28 | Leadbelly | 89 | -2 |
29 | RedheadDane | 22 | 0 |
30 | DJSprtsch | 10 | -1 |
| CollectiveWisdom | 232 | ||
| SoLastYear | 210 | ||
| MainGamePop | 293 |
Hoping to get today's races done this evening
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And so, to today
Race 3: Faun Drome
Not many riders scoring, but a reasonable amount of points regardless
Race 3: Faun Drome
Not many riders scoring, but a reasonable amount of points regardless
| Race Pos'n | Pts | Teams | |
2 | COSTA Rui Alberto Faria | 78 | 6 |
3 | BAGIOLI Andrea | 66 | 3 |
5 | SIMMONS Quinn | 52 | 11 |
16 | ALAPHILIPPE Julian | 10 | 24 |
| This race | Main scorers | Green points | ||
1 | Salvarani | 144 | Costa & Bagioli | 80 |
2 | SlowClimber | 140 | Costa, Simmons and Alaphilippe | 42.5 |
2 | Anderis | 140 | Costa, Simmons and Alaphilippe | 42.5 |
4 | Kazistuta | 128 | Bagioli, Simmons and Alaphilippe | 25 |
5 | Search | 88 | 12.5 | |
5 | Peixotini | 88 | 12.5 | |
7 | Leadbelly | 78 | 5 | |
8 | Googolplex | 76 | 3 | |
9 | Blues_in_the_Bottle | 62 | 0.43 | |
9 | AmisVelo | 62 | 0.43 | |
9 | Triley36 | 62 | 0.43 | |
9 | Hfgon1 | 62 | 0.43 | |
9 | Armchair | 62 | 0.43 | |
9 | Bminchow | 62 | 0.43 | |
9 | BR | 62 | 0.43 | |
16 | Twiddle87 | 52 | ||
17 | DJW | 10 | ||
17 | Laarsland | 10 | ||
17 | DevilsElbow | 10 | ||
17 | Madrazo | 10 | ||
17 | JumboVismaFan | 10 | ||
17 | Vladimir | 10 | ||
17 | Del1962 | 10 | ||
17 | RoteLaterne | 10 | ||
17 | EvansIsTheBest | 10 | ||
17 | Comodoro | 10 | ||
17 | Rufs | 10 | ||
28 | Josedin | 0 | ||
28 | RedheadDane | 0 | ||
28 | DJSprtsch | 0 | ||
| CollectiveWisdom | 62 | |||
| SoLastYear | 5 | |||
| MainGamePop | 10 |
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Faun Drome continued (if you accidentally send in this website, you can't edit in anything below a table!)
Green standings
Main standings
The two teams in joint second or this race got rather more of a boost to their position than the winner did.
These positions might not hold sway or long though, KBK results should be along soon.
Green standings
1 | Peixotini | 92.5 | 1 |
2 | DJW | 80.35 | -1 |
3 | Salvarani | 80 | 22 |
4 | Anderis | 67.5 | 4 |
5 | SlowClimber | 55 | 6 |
6 | Laarsland | 50.35 | -3 |
7 | DevilsElbow | 42.5 | -3 |
7 | JumboVismaFan | 42.5 | -3 |
9 | Blues_in_the_Bottle | 35.78 | -3 |
10 | Search | 30 | -1 |
Main standings
The two teams in joint second or this race got rather more of a boost to their position than the winner did.
1 | DJW | 405 | 0 |
2 | Search | 385 | 2 |
3 | SlowClimber | 383 | 10 |
4 | Anderis | 378 | 10 |
5 | Peixotini | 377 | 1 |
6 | Blues_in_the_Bottle | 360 | -3 |
7 | AmisVelo | 357 | -2 |
8 | Laarsland | 344 | -6 |
9 | Kazistuta | 333 | 13 |
10 | Triley36 | 324 | 1 |
11 | Hfgon1 | 310 | 1 |
12 | Googolplex | 296 | 6 |
13 | DevilsElbow | 294 | -6 |
14 | Madrazo | 283 | -6 |
15 | JumboVismaFan | 282 | -6 |
16 | Vladimir | 280 | -6 |
17 | Armchair | 277 | 2 |
17 | Bminchow | 277 | 2 |
19 | Del1962 | 247 | -4 |
20 | RoteLaterne | 242 | -4 |
21 | EvansIsTheBest | 237 | -4 |
22 | Salvarani | 234 | 5 |
23 | BR | 226 | 0 |
24 | Comodoro | 225 | -5 |
25 | Rufs | 172 | -1 |
26 | Leadbelly | 167 | 2 |
27 | Twiddle87 | 156 | -2 |
28 | Josedin | 100 | -2 |
29 | RedheadDane | 22 | 0 |
30 | DJSprtsch | 10 | 0 |
| CollectiveWisdom | 294 | ||
| SoLastYear | 215 | ||
| MainGamePop | 303 |
Race 4: Kuurne-Brussels-Kuurne
To finish off the weekend:
When you look at the race result, you would expect a manager called Jumbo Visma Fan to have racked up plenty of points, but no...
Green standings
Standings
The third leader of the weekend, but that just adds to the excitement.
And off to Laigueglia on Wednesday, but looking at the startlist (such as it is), I suspect that might have more impact on the green points than the main competition here.
Consider the contest well and truly opened. And here is all the proof in the spreadsheet.
To finish off the weekend:
| Race Pos'n | Pts | Teams | |
1 | BENOOT Tiesj | 130 | 1 |
5 | WELLENS Tim | 52 | 2 |
8 | MEEUS Jordi | 34 | 1 |
10 | STUYVEN Jasper | 24 | 6 |
12 | MILAN Jonathan | 18 | 13 |
16 | VANMARCKE Sep | 10 | 2 |
24 | SHEFFIELD Magnus | 5 | 2 |
When you look at the race result, you would expect a manager called Jumbo Visma Fan to have racked up plenty of points, but no...
1 | Blues_in_the_Bottle | 130 | Benoot | 80 |
2 | Googolplex | 94 | Wellens, Stuyven, Milan | 50 |
3 | Leadbelly | 76 | Wellens, Stuyven | 35 |
4 | DevilsElbow | 42 | Stuyven, Milan | 20 |
4 | Laarsland | 42 | Stuyven, Milan | 20 |
6 | Twiddle87 | 34 | Meeus | 10 |
7 | Madrazo | 28 | 5 | |
8 | Peixotini | 24 | 2.5 | |
8 | RoteLaterne | 24 | 2.5 | |
10 | BR | 23 | 1 | |
11 | AmisVelo | 18 | ||
11 | Armchair | 18 | ||
11 | Bminchow | 18 | ||
11 | JumboVismaFan | 18 | ||
11 | RedheadDane | 18 | ||
11 | Rufs | 18 | ||
11 | Salvarani | 18 | ||
11 | SlowClimber | 18 | ||
19 | Vladimir | 10 | ||
20 | Josedin | 5 | ||
21 | ten more teams | 0 | ||
| CollectiveWisdom | 18 | |||
| SoLastYear | 154 | |||
| MainGamePop | 0 |
Green standings
1 | Blues_in_the_Bottle | 115.78 | 8 |
2 | Peixotini | 95 | -1 |
3 | DJW | 80.35 | -1 |
4 | Salvarani | 80 | -1 |
5 | Laarsland | 70.35 | 1 |
6 | Anderis | 67.5 | -2 |
7 | DevilsElbow | 62.5 | 0 |
8 | Googolplex | 58 | 7 |
9 | SlowClimber | 55 | -4 |
10 | JumboVismaFan | 42.5 | -3 |
Standings
The third leader of the weekend, but that just adds to the excitement.
1 | Blues_in_the_Bottle | 490 | 5 |
2 | DJW | 405 | -1 |
3 | Peixotini | 401 | 2 |
4 | SlowClimber | 401 | -1 |
5 | Googolplex | 390 | 7 |
6 | Laarsland | 386 | 2 |
7 | Search | 385 | -5 |
8 | Anderis | 378 | -4 |
9 | AmisVelo | 375 | -2 |
10 | DevilsElbow | 336 | 3 |
11 | Kazistuta | 333 | -2 |
12 | Triley36 | 324 | -2 |
13 | Madrazo | 311 | 1 |
14 | Hfgon1 | 310 | -3 |
15 | JumboVismaFan | 300 | 0 |
16 | Armchair | 295 | 1 |
16 | Bminchow | 295 | 1 |
18 | Vladimir | 290 | -2 |
19 | RoteLaterne | 266 | 1 |
20 | Salvarani | 252 | 2 |
21 | BR | 249 | 2 |
22 | Del1962 | 247 | -3 |
23 | Leadbelly | 243 | 3 |
24 | EvansIsTheBest | 237 | -3 |
25 | Comodoro | 225 | -1 |
26 | Rufs | 190 | -1 |
26 | Twiddle87 | 190 | 1 |
28 | Josedin | 105 | 0 |
29 | RedheadDane | 40 | 0 |
30 | DJSprtsch | 10 | 0 |
| CollectiveWisdom | 312 | ||
| SoLastYear | 369 | ||
| MainGamePop | 303 |
And off to Laigueglia on Wednesday, but looking at the startlist (such as it is), I suspect that might have more impact on the green points than the main competition here.
Consider the contest well and truly opened. And here is all the proof in the spreadsheet.
I was sure I had Van Hooydonck on my team, but I guess he's just too short to qualify.
But, hey... at least I'm not last.
But, hey... at least I'm not last.
Aren't you technically the one deciding the rules for this game, so can't you just... include it?
Personally, I'm quite glad it's not included; not really a race that favours giants.
I am, but I prefer to use subjective rather than objective criteria.
Race 5: Trofeo Laigueglia
It's probably fair to say that nobody really focusses on the start list of this one when they pick their team.
Romain Gregoire came 6th, scoring 46 points (and 47.5 green points) for the 4 teams that have him (Devil's Elbow, Jumbo Visma Fan, Peixotini and Salvarani);
Harrison Wood came 28th, and scored 5 points (15 green) for Josedin;
The So Last Year team had Vendrame (2nd, 78 points), but that won't help any of us.
Green points
Low scoring races still count high in the minor classification, and all 4 Gregoire teams were already in the top ten: now they are all in the top 5.
Main Points
Unlike in the Green points, BitB retains his lead here, but Peixotini climbs back up to halve the lead. The other teams with Gregoire also gain places, but the gap that Josedin had to close on the next manager above him is far more than 28th place yields.
Strade Bianche on Saturday: I suspect that those 6 teams without Alaphilippe will suffer again, but how much return on their investment will the teams who spent big on Van Der Poel see?
There should be more activity in the leaderboard then that today at least.
It's probably fair to say that nobody really focusses on the start list of this one when they pick their team.
Romain Gregoire came 6th, scoring 46 points (and 47.5 green points) for the 4 teams that have him (Devil's Elbow, Jumbo Visma Fan, Peixotini and Salvarani);
Harrison Wood came 28th, and scored 5 points (15 green) for Josedin;
The So Last Year team had Vendrame (2nd, 78 points), but that won't help any of us.
Green points
Low scoring races still count high in the minor classification, and all 4 Gregoire teams were already in the top ten: now they are all in the top 5.
| Green points | change in rank | ||
1 | Peixotini | 142.5 | 1 |
2 | Salvarani | 127.5 | 2 |
3 | Blues_in_the_Bottle | 115.78 | -2 |
4 | DevilsElbow | 110 | 3 |
5 | JumboVismaFan | 90 | 5 |
6 | DJW | 80.35 | -3 |
7 | Laarsland | 70.35 | -2 |
8 | Anderis | 67.5 | -2 |
9 | Googolplex | 58 | -1 |
10 | SlowClimber | 55 | -1 |
Main Points
Unlike in the Green points, BitB retains his lead here, but Peixotini climbs back up to halve the lead. The other teams with Gregoire also gain places, but the gap that Josedin had to close on the next manager above him is far more than 28th place yields.
1 | Blues_in_the_Bottle | 490 | 0 |
2 | Peixotini | 447 | 1 |
3 | DJW | 405 | -1 |
4 | SlowClimber | 401 | 0 |
5 | Googolplex | 390 | 0 |
6 | Laarsland | 386 | 0 |
7 | Search | 385 | 0 |
8 | DevilsElbow | 382 | 2 |
9 | Anderis | 378 | -1 |
10 | AmisVelo | 375 | -1 |
11 | JumboVismaFan | 346 | 4 |
12 | Kazistuta | 333 | -1 |
13 | Triley36 | 324 | -1 |
14 | Madrazo | 311 | -1 |
15 | Hfgon1 | 310 | -1 |
16 | Salvarani | 298 | 4 |
17 | Armchair | 295 | -1 |
17 | Bminchow | 295 | -1 |
19 | Vladimir | 290 | -1 |
20 | RoteLaterne | 266 | -1 |
21 | BR | 249 | 0 |
22 | Del1962 | 247 | 0 |
23 | Leadbelly | 243 | 0 |
24 | EvansIsTheBest | 237 | 0 |
25 | Comodoro | 225 | 0 |
26 | Rufs | 190 | 0 |
26 | Twiddle87 | 190 | 0 |
28 | Josedin | 110 | 0 |
29 | RedheadDane | 40 | 0 |
30 | DJSprtsch | 10 | 0 |
| CollectiveWisdom | 312 | ||
| SoLastYear | 447 | ||
| MainGamePop | 349 |
Strade Bianche on Saturday: I suspect that those 6 teams without Alaphilippe will suffer again, but how much return on their investment will the teams who spent big on Van Der Poel see?
There should be more activity in the leaderboard then that today at least.
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