2023 Vuelta CQ game

nbfc1962 · Aug 27, 2023

Armchair cyclist said:
Could take a while for anyone to know what the GC is tonight. Organisers are apparently asking fans if they can take a look at video on their phones to try to see who passed the 9km line when.

If they had asked me I would say it was one of my unique picks Doubey or Ballerstadt just to get the points

Armchair cyclist · Aug 27, 2023

Apparently that phone checking was at the top of Montjuic, not at 9km. Results were still very slow.

Results are up now, but I have started Scandinavia in the Women's game, then have to attend to family issues, so it will be another late night update.

Armchair cyclist · Aug 28, 2023

Stage 2
Pick whichever finish line you fancy, or that a more famous rider tells you to fancy.

Green points

KRON Andreas Lorentz	70 pts	1 team
GROVES Kaden	40	8
VENDRAME Andrea	25	0
BAGIOLI Andrea	15	0
BARCELO ARAGON Fernando	10	3
GARCIA CORTINA Ivan	7	0
GREGOIRE Romain	5	1
VAN EETVELT Lennert	3	2
VAN DEN BERG Marijn	2	2
GOOSSENS Kobe	1	0

After her win in the Scandinavia Tour in the Women's CQ game today as well, this could be just too much:

1	RedheadDane	70
2	Search	43
3	DJSprtsch	42
4	Bminchow	40
4	DevilsElbow	40
4	DJW	40
4	Kazistuta	40
4	Northerner	40
4	QueenStagiaire	40
10	Ludwigzgz	10
10	Scrooll07	10
10	Vladimir	10
13	EvansIsTheBest	5
14	Salvarani	3
15	Postmanhat	2

Standings

1	RedheadDane	76	13
2	DJSprtsch	54	6
3	Kazistuta	46	11
4	Northerner	44	15
4	Search	44	22
6	Bminchow	43	15
7	DevilsElbow	41	19
7	DJW	41	19
9	QueenStagiaire	40	23
10	Postmanhat	28	-9

Red points
Some fairly huge changes today, and one of those who gained from the 9km line was reasonably popular as a pick

ROMO OLIVER Javier	396	12
KRON Andreas Lorentz	177	1
GROVES Kaden	80	8
GREGOIRE Romain	80	1
ERVITI OLLO Imanol	70	2
OLIVEIRA Nelson Filipe Santos Simoes	65	1
VAN DEN BERG Marijn	17	2
BARCELO ARAGON Fernando	15	3

CAICEDO CEPEDA Jonathan Klever	-18	3
MAS NICOLAU Enric	-25	2
GOVEKAR Matevz	-27	1
STORER Michael	-35	3
POOLE Max	-135	3
HAMILTON Chris	-200	1
ONLEY Oscar	-240	1

1	Bminchow	489
2	EvansIsTheBest	487
3	DevilsElbow	481
4	Cordi333	404
5	Ludwigzgz	396
5	Rote_Laterne	396
7	Scrooll07	393
8	18_Valve	371
9	Leadbelly	347
10	Postmanhat	282
11	Salvarani	278
12	Titan31	273
13	RedheadDane	195
14	Search	94
15	SamuCuenca	85
16	QueenStagiaire	81
17	DJSprtsch	79
18	Northerner	78
19	Kazistuta	75
20	BicycleBoy	58
20	DJW	58
22	Mellow_Velo	25
23	ArchieBoy	11
24	Bonimenier	10
25	Laarsland	7
25	Rufs	7
25	Triley36	7
28	Yellow_Knight	4
29	Anderis	1
29	Madrazo	1
31	Armchair_Cyclist	0
31	BluesInTheBottle	0
33	AmisVelo	-1
34	Ricco	-6
35	Vladimir	-8
36	Del1962	-198
37	JumboVismaFan	-232
	Collective_Wisdom	401

Standings
Javier Romo did very little to put the top three into those positions yesterday, but he is the reason they retain those spots today.

1	Postmanhat	931	0
2	Titan31	856	0
3	Salvarani	854	0
4	Ludwigzgz	746	3
5	EvansIsTheBest	711	8
6	18_Valve	688	3
7	Bminchow	675	14
8	Scrooll07	612	7
9	Leadbelly	609	3
10	DevilsElbow	604	23
11	Cordi333	587	11
12	Rote_Laterne	528	18
13	SamuCuenca	412	-5
14	RedheadDane	393	5
15	Mellow_Velo	392	-9
16	DJSprtsch	381	-5
17	BicycleBoy	362	-7
18	Kazistuta	297	-4
19	Northerner	292	-3
20	Search	238	8
21	Del1962	233	-17
22	Triley36	212	-5
23	DJW	212	3
24	QueenStagiaire	201	10
25	AmisVelo	198	-7
26	Ricco	186	-6
27	ArchieBoy	180	-4
28	Bonimenier	178	-4
29	Vladimir	160	-5
30	JumboVismaFan	159	-25
31	Laarsland	159	-4
32	Madrazo	137	-3
33	Rufs	131	-1
34	Yellow_Knight	130	-3
35	Anderis	121	-1
36	Armchair_Cyclist	120	-2
36	BluesInTheBottle	120	-2
	Collective_Wisdom	539

Tomorrow should see far more change.

Blues in the bottle · Aug 28, 2023

AC it is cold down here ; but it appears to be warming up.
Thanks for putting this game together.
Good luck to everyone, see you in Madrid

Armchair cyclist · Aug 28, 2023

Stage 3
Check your brakes as you finish

Green points

Probably not for the last time, most points taken by riders who were too expensive to consider.

EVENEPOEL Remco	70	0
VINGEGAARD RASMUSSEN Jonas	40	0
AYUSO PESQUERA Juan	25	26
ROGLIC Primoz	15	8
SOLER GIMENEZ Marc	10	0
MAS NICOLAU Enric	7	2
MARTINEZ Lenny	5	9
UIJTDEBROEKS Cian	3	7
ALMEIDA Joao Pedro Gonçalves	2	1
VLASOV Aleksandr	1	30

The Ayuso-Roglic combination pays off for three teams

1	BluesInTheBottle	40
1	Rote_Laterne	40
1	Scrooll07	40
4	ArchieBoy	34
4	Bonimenier	34
6	18_Valve	33
7	Ludwigzgz	32
8	Cordi333	31
8	EvansIsTheBest	31
8	Postmanhat	31
8	Triley36	31
12	Salvarani	30
12	Titan31	30
14	Mellow_Velo	29
14	QueenStagiaire	29
14	Ricco	29
17	Del1962	26
17	DevilsElbow	26
17	DJSprtsch	26
17	DJW	26
17	JumboVismaFan	26
17	Kazistuta	26
17	Laarsland	26
17	Leadbelly	26
17	Rufs	26
17	Search	26
27	Anderis	16
27	Armchair_Cyclist	16
27	BicycleBoy	16
27	Madrazo	16
27	Vladimir	16
32	Bminchow	9
33	Northerner	4
34	Yellow_Knight	3
35	AmisVelo	1
35	RedheadDane	1
37	SamuCuenca	0
	Collective_Wisdom	26

Standings

1	DJSprtsch	80	1
2	RedheadDane	77	-1
3	Kazistuta	72	0
4	Search	70	0
5	QueenStagiaire	69	4
6	DevilsElbow	67	1
6	DJW	67	1
8	Postmanhat	59	2
9	Scrooll07	57	8
10	Ludwigzgz	54	3
10	Salvarani	54	1

Red Points

This set of changes brings the scores far more into line with what we might expect. There will be further changes, or it will be a very boring game, but this gives some kind of meaning to the GC element of our points.

MARTINEZ Lenny	258	9
VLASOV Aleksandr	226	30
MAS NICOLAU Enric	217	2
UIJTDEBROEKS Cian	203	7
AYUSO PESQUERA Juan	135	26
ROGLIC Primoz	135	8
BUITRAGO SANCHEZ Santiago	123	5
ALMEIDA Joao Pedro Gonçalves	91	1
KUSS Sepp	75	2
ARENSMAN Thymen	70	4
CRAS Steff	59	6
CEPEDA HERNANDEZ Jefferson Alveiro	51	1
BERNAL GOMEZ Egan Arley	37	6
THOMAS Geraint	37	11
LOPEZ PEREZ Juan Pedro	33	13
DE LA CRUZ MELGAREJO David	30	2

TIBERI Antonio	-33	1
ASKEY Lewis	-39	1
CATTANEO Mattia	-41	1
CAMARGO PINEDA Diego Andres	-52	1
CAICEDO CEPEDA Jonathan Klever	-63	3
KRON Andreas Lorentz	-65	1
VAN DEN BERG Marijn	-104	2
GREGOIRE Romain	-116	1
ERVITI OLLO Imanol	-175	2
OLIVEIRA Nelson Filipe Santos Simoes	-200	1
POOLE Max	-225	3
ROMO OLIVER Javier	-374	12

I guess Romo won't be keeping the top three in place any more

Changes in score on the day are essentially a declaration that the tables for stages 1 and 2 give a very distorted idea of the strength of our teams (and given that I was joint last this morning, I'm sticking to that argument).

1	Bonimenier	926
2	ArchieBoy	892
3	Triley36	780
4	QueenStagiaire	656
5	Ricco	630
6	JumboVismaFan	556
7	Mellow_Velo	527
8	Laarsland	520
9	Rufs	500
10	Armchair_Cyclist	480
11	Madrazo	440
12	Northerner	438
13	DJW	434
14	Anderis	429
15	Del1962	412
16	Bminchow	381
17	Search	380
18	BluesInTheBottle	367
19	Yellow_Knight	363
20	Vladimir	335
21	Cordi333	324
22	AmisVelo	321
23	18_Valve	306
24	Kazistuta	303
25	DJSprtsch	238
26	EvansIsTheBest	226
27	BicycleBoy	178
28	RedheadDane	157
29	Ludwigzgz	63
30	DevilsElbow	35
31	Leadbelly	29
32	Titan31	-38
33	Rote_Laterne	-44
34	Postmanhat	-75
35	Scrooll07	-138
36	SamuCuenca	-149
37	Salvarani	-173
	Collective_Wisdom	92

Standings
5 Lennie Martinez teams in the top six might not want to count their chickens yet. I'd be very happy to see him do well, but hanging onto a podium would be quite an ask for him, I suspect.

1	Bonimenier	1104	27
2	ArchieBoy	1072	25
3	Bminchow	1056	4
4	18_Valve	994	2
5	Triley36	992	17
6	EvansIsTheBest	937	-1
7	Mellow_Velo	919	8
8	Cordi333	911	3
9	QueenStagiaire	857	15
10	Postmanhat	856	-9
11	Titan31	818	-9
12	Ricco	816	14
13	Ludwigzgz	809	-9
14	Northerner	730	5
15	JumboVismaFan	715	15
16	Salvarani	681	-13
17	Laarsland	679	14
18	DJW	646	5
19	Del1962	645	2
20	DevilsElbow	639	-10
21	Leadbelly	638	-12
22	Rufs	631	11
23	DJSprtsch	619	-7
24	Search	618	-4
25	Armchair_Cyclist	600	11
25	Kazistuta	600	-7
27	Madrazo	577	5
28	RedheadDane	550	-14
29	Anderis	550	6
30	BicycleBoy	540	-14
31	AmisVelo	519	-6
32	Vladimir	495	-3
33	Yellow_Knight	493	1
34	BluesInTheBottle	487	2
35	Rote_Laterne	484	-23
36	Scrooll07	474	-28
37	SamuCuenca	263	-24
	Collective_Wisdom	631

Tomorrow, a reminder of how little effect a sprint stage usually has on the game (probably).

Jumbo Visma Fan :) · Aug 29, 2023

My team can’t get any worse from here can it..

RedheadDane · Aug 29, 2023

Very inconsiderate of DSM to sprint with the wrong guy! But I suppose Dainese might have been held up by a crash...

Armchair cyclist · Aug 29, 2023

Jumbo Visma Fan :) said:
My team can’t get any worse from here can it..

You could drop 22 places yet...

Devil's Elbow · Aug 29, 2023

With not much else going well for my team, I'm at least happy and surprised that Groves is only on 8 teams. Doing brilliantly so far.

Armchair cyclist · Aug 29, 2023

Stage 4
A sprint with no leadouts for anyone

Green points

GROVES Kaden	70	8
MOLANO BENAVIDES Juan Sebastian	40	2
THEUNS Edward	25	0
MENTEN Milan	15	0
VAN GESTEL Dries	10	0
AULAR SANABRIA Orluis Alberto	7	1
PAGE Hugo	5	0
ASKEY Lewis	3	1
FLYNN Sean	2	0
VENDRAME Andrea	1	0

Dainese is the most popular sprinter in the game, but if he doesn't sprint, that is irrelevant.

Other than him and Groves (more expensive, but at least he is actually scoring), sprint picks were very scarce.

But DJSprtsch has certainly gone for the sprinters:not only Groves, Molano and Aular, but Mariijn vd Bergh too. So this set of daily scores might be the first of several that look similar

1	DJSprtsch	117
2	Kazistuta	73
3	Bminchow	70
3	DevilsElbow	70
3	DJW	70
3	Northerner	70
3	QueenStagiaire	70
3	Search	70
9	Rufs	40
10	Everyone else	0

Standings

1	DJSprtsch	197	22	0
2	Kazistuta	145	23	1
3	Search	140	21	1
4	QueenStagiaire	139	5	1
5	DevilsElbow	137	15	1
5	DJW	137	13	1
7	Bminchow	122	-4	5
8	Northerner	118	6	7
9	RedheadDane	77	19	-7
10	Rufs	66	12	21

That's the 8 Groves teams in the top 8 places.

Red Points
Groves and Molano teams also gain from moving up in the points classification. The places lost on GC by Kelderman and Buitrago become points gained, primarily by Roglic and Ayuso

GROVES Kaden	115	8
MOLANO BENAVIDES Juan Sebastian	55	2
AYUSO PESQUERA Juan	30	26
ROGLIC Primoz	30	8
ALMEIDA Joao Pedro Gonçalves	16	1
ARENSMAN Thymen	16	4
CRAS Steff	16	6
CARUSO Damiano	16	2

KRON Andreas Lorentz	-15	1
BERNAL GOMEZ Egan Arley	-30	6
BUITRAGO SANCHEZ Santiago	-127	5

Bigger daily swings than would have been expected on such a stage.

1	DJSprtsch	233
2	DevilsElbow	172
3	QueenStagiaire	171
4	DJW	161
4	Search	161
6	Northerner	160
7	Kazistuta	150
8	Rufs	115
9	Bminchow	110
10	BluesInTheBottle	92
11	Rote_Laterne	87
11	Scrooll07	87
13	Ludwigzgz	80
14	Leadbelly	74
15	Cordi333	67
15	Salvarani	67
17	EvansIsTheBest	61
18	Armchair_Cyclist	60
19	18_Valve	59
20	Del1962	58
21	Postmanhat	50
22	Madrazo	48
23	ArchieBoy	46
24	Anderis	44
25	SamuCuenca	42
26	AmisVelo	30
27	BicycleBoy	29
27	Vladimir	29
29	Yellow_Knight	28
30	Bonimenier	16
31	Ricco	14
32	RedheadDane	-47
33	Laarsland	-85
33	Triley36	-85
35	Mellow_Velo	-93
36	Titan31	-114
37	JumboVismaFan	-125
	Collective_Wisdom	69

Standings
Only one of the top 8 this morning has Groves on the team: that is enough to put Bminchow top.

1	Bminchow	1166	2
2	Bonimenier	1120	-1
3	ArchieBoy	1118	-1
4	18_Valve	1053	0
5	QueenStagiaire	1028	4
6	EvansIsTheBest	998	0
7	Cordi333	978	1
8	Triley36	907	-3
9	Postmanhat	906	1
10	Northerner	890	4
11	Ludwigzgz	889	2
12	DJSprtsch	852	11
13	Ricco	830	-1
14	Mellow_Velo	826	-7
15	DevilsElbow	811	5
16	DJW	807	2
17	Search	779	7
18	Kazistuta	750	8
19	Salvarani	748	-3
20	Rufs	746	2
21	Leadbelly	712	0
22	Titan31	704	-11
23	Del1962	703	-4
24	Armchair_Cyclist	660	1
25	Madrazo	625	2
26	Anderis	594	3
27	Laarsland	594	-10
28	JumboVismaFan	590	-13
29	BluesInTheBottle	579	5
30	Rote_Laterne	571	5
31	BicycleBoy	569	-1
32	Scrooll07	561	4
33	AmisVelo	549	-2
34	Vladimir	524	-2
35	Yellow_Knight	521	-2
36	RedheadDane	503	-8
37	SamuCuenca	305	0
	Collective_Wisdom	700

Similar-ish tomorrow?

Anderis · Aug 29, 2023

Dainese and Dunbar don't seem like the picks I hoped for and Roglic hasn't got the early lead, which was what I was hoping for, so I don't think I'm going to finish in the upper half of the classification.

Armchair cyclist · Aug 29, 2023

Yeah, so far the main indicator of success so far is not having spent about 60% of budget on Roglic. The 8 teams who did so make up most of the bottom third of the table.

DJ Sprtsch · Aug 29, 2023

Armchair cyclist said:
Bigger daily swings than would have been expected on such a stage.

1
DJSprtsch
233

Similar-ish tomorrow?

And why not?
One can only hope!

Armchair cyclist · Aug 30, 2023

Stage 5
Criteria for replicating stage 4:
Uneventful, with no-hope break; [tick]
Plenty of roundabouts; [tick]
Crash just outside 3km; [tick]
Top ten GC man loses time; [tick]
Groves win; [tick]
Task accomplished

Green points
Three out of the top ten chosen: not great.

GROVES Kaden	70	8
GANNA Filippo	40	0
VAN GESTEL Dries	25	0
DAINESE Alberto	15	14
ASKEY Lewis	10	1
THEUNS Edward	7	0
GONZALEZ LOPEZ David	5	0
SOUPE Geoffrey	3	0
EZQUERRA MUELA Jesus	2	0
DRIZNERS Jarrad	1	0

Maybe DJSprtsch is not uniquely sprinter focussed: 5 managers double up on Groves and Dainese, and Kaz throws Askey in for good luck.

1	Kazistuta	95
2	DevilsElbow	85
2	DJW	85
2	QueenStagiaire	85
2	Search	85
6	Bminchow	70
6	DJSprtsch	70
6	Northerner	70
9	Anderis	15
9	Bonimenier	15
9	JumboVismaFan	15
9	Laarsland	15
9	Madrazo	15
9	RedheadDane	15
9	Ricco	15
9	Titan31	15
9	Triley36	15

I was cheering for Dainese yesterday: it's only now I see that I didn't include him in my team!

Standings

1	DJSprtsch	267	0
2	Kazistuta	240	0
3	Search	225	0
4	QueenStagiaire	224	0
5	DevilsElbow	222	0
5	DJW	222	0
7	Bminchow	192	0
8	Northerner	188	0
9	RedheadDane	92	0
10	Rufs	66	0
10	Titan31	66	5

Red Points

Other than the stage points, main source of scores today is passing Bardet, or losing them from Eddie Dunbar's failure to negotiate the neutralised zone safely.

GROVES Kaden	70	8
ROGLIC Primoz	25	8
DAINESE Alberto	15	14
AYUSO PESQUERA Juan	15	26
ALMEIDA Joao Pedro Gonçalves	15	1
ASKEY Lewis	12	1

MOLANO BENAVIDES Juan Sebastian	-10	2
GUERREIRO Ruben Antonio Almeida	-15	1
HIRT Jan	-17	10
KRON Andreas Lorentz	-18	1
CAMARGO PINEDA Diego Andres	-20	1
DUNBAR Eddie	-24	15

1	DJW	114
2	QueenStagiaire	110
3	DevilsElbow	91
4	Kazistuta	90
5	Search	82
6	DJSprtsch	77
7	Northerner	75
8	BluesInTheBottle	56
9	Bminchow	48
9	Scrooll07	48
11	Laarsland	42
12	Del1962	33
13	Ludwigzgz	31
14	Rote_Laterne	29
15	BicycleBoy	27
16	Vladimir	25
17	ArchieBoy	23
17	Salvarani	23
19	Triley36	18
20	Armchair_Cyclist	16
21	AmisVelo	14
22	SamuCuenca	12
22	Titan31	12
24	18_Valve	10
24	EvansIsTheBest	10
26	Mellow_Velo	8
27	Leadbelly	7
28	Bonimenier	6
29	Madrazo	5
30	Ricco	4
31	Anderis	1
31	Cordi333	1
33	Yellow_Knight	-3
34	JumboVismaFan	-9
35	Postmanhat	-11
36	Rufs	-26
37	RedheadDane	-40
	Collective_Wisdom	-1

Standings
Dunbar costs Bonimenier his place on the podium.

1	Bminchow	1214	0
2	ArchieBoy	1141	1
3	QueenStagiaire	1138	2
4	Bonimenier	1126	-2
5	18_Valve	1063	-1
6	EvansIsTheBest	1008	0
7	Cordi333	979	0
8	Northerner	965	2
9	DJSprtsch	929	3
10	Triley36	925	-2
11	DJW	921	5
12	Ludwigzgz	920	-1
13	DevilsElbow	902	2
14	Postmanhat	895	-5
15	Search	861	2
16	Kazistuta	840	2
17	Mellow_Velo	834	-3
18	Ricco	834	-5
19	Salvarani	771	0
20	Del1962	736	3
21	Rufs	720	-1
22	Leadbelly	719	-1
23	Titan31	716	-1
24	Armchair_Cyclist	676	0
25	Laarsland	636	2
26	BluesInTheBottle	635	3
27	Madrazo	630	-2
28	Scrooll07	609	4
29	Rote_Laterne	600	1
30	BicycleBoy	596	1
31	Anderis	595	-5
32	JumboVismaFan	581	-4
33	AmisVelo	563	0
34	Vladimir	549	0
35	Yellow_Knight	518	0
36	RedheadDane	463	0
37	SamuCuenca	317	0
	Collective_Wisdom	699

So will tomorrow give any further insight as to who really are the GC contenders than stage 3 did? We'll see something different from the last couple of days anyway.

I hadn't realised I hadn't made the spreadsheet available yet: here it is, and it'll be at the same location throughout (and until I reach a Google Docs limit, I guess). I'll try to remember to post occasional reminders of where to find it. It is updated rather than a fresh version saved each time.

Armchair cyclist · Aug 31, 2023

Tomorrow's update probably won't be done until mid-morning Friday. So enjoy the suspense.

EvansIsTheBest · Aug 31, 2023

Armchair cyclist said:
Stage 3

Standings
5 Lennie Martinez teams in the top six might not want to count their chickens yet. I'd be very happy to see him do well, but hanging onto a podium would be quite an ask for him, I suspect.

bminchow · Aug 31, 2023

Hahahahaha. Well played.

Armchair cyclist · Sep 1, 2023

I have seen the results, but not the racing. So I have the last climb playing while I work on this (I'm sure RhD will be appalled)

Stage 6
Well, that was a bit of a shake up.

Green points
A breakaway win that has relevant riders

KUSS Sepp	70	2
MARTINEZ Lenny	40	9
BARDET Romain	25	0
LANDA MEANA Mikel	15	1
SOLER GIMENEZ Marc	10	0
POELS Wout	7	3
RUBIO REYES Einer Augusto	5	0
RODRIGUEZ MARTIN Cristian	3	0
CRAS Steff	2	6
CEPEDA HERNANDEZ Jefferson Alveiro	1	1

A couple of the Martinez teams doubled up, with Landa or Cras

1	18_Valve	70
1	QueenStagiaire	70
3	Salvarani	55
4	Bonimenier	42
5	ArchieBoy	40
5	Bminchow	40
5	Cordi333	40
5	EvansIsTheBest	40
5	Postmanhat	40
5	Titan31	40
5	Triley36	40
12	Del1962	7
12	Ludwigzgz	7
12	SamuCuenca	7
15	Armchair_Cyclist	2
15	DJSprtsch	2
15	Leadbelly	2
15	Madrazo	2
15	Search	2
20	BluesInTheBottle	1
21	the rest	0

Standings
Three stage wins in the team in six stages is the type of return that will put you on the top in this classification.

1	QueenStagiaire	294	2	3
2	DJSprtsch	269	7	-1
3	Kazistuta	240	13	-1
4	Bminchow	232	-3	3
5	Search	227	10	-2
6	DevilsElbow	222	7	-1
6	DJW	222	5	-1
8	Northerner	188	0	0
9	18_Valve	114	-4	13
10	Salvarani	109	9	5

Red Points
Riders' gains and losses may be temporary, may be permanent.

KUSS Sepp	376	2
MARTINEZ Lenny	255	9
POELS Wout	182	3
LANDA MEANA Mikel	170	1
CRAS Steff	146	6
CEPEDA HERNANDEZ Jefferson Alveiro	107	1
DE LA CRUZ MELGAREJO David	91	2
CARTHY Hugh	46	6
BUCHMANN Emanuel	28	1
CASTROVIEJO NICOLAS Jonathan	21	1
BUITRAGO SANCHEZ Santiago	20	5
POOLE Max	19	3
HIGUITA GARCIA Sergio Andres	17	1
CATTANEO Mattia	13	1

CARUSO Damiano	-10	2
TRATNIK Jan	-12	1
CAMARGO PINEDA Diego Andres	-15	1
THOMAS Geraint	-20	11
ROMO OLIVER Javier	-30	12
ALMEIDA Joao Pedro Gonçalves	-51	1
ARENSMAN Thymen	-64	4
AYUSO PESQUERA Juan	-74	26
ROGLIC Primoz	-78	8
UIJTDEBROEKS Cian	-125	7
VLASOV Aleksandr	-166	30
MAS NICOLAU Enric	-240	2

Huge gains and losses, with Vlasov and/or Ayuso putting most teams in the red (Samu Cuenca is the only manager with neither of them).

1	Salvarani	351
2	Titan31	190
3	SamuCuenca	173
4	Triley36	127
5	Bonimenier	36
6	QueenStagiaire	19
7	Postmanhat	3
8	Cordi333	-27
9	Del1962	-37
10	BluesInTheBottle	-38
11	Ludwigzgz	-63
12	EvansIsTheBest	-76
13	Armchair_Cyclist	-83
14	Bminchow	-86
15	Search	-89
16	Madrazo	-95
17	DJSprtsch	-104
18	18_Valve	-131
19	Leadbelly	-149
20	RedheadDane	-163
21	ArchieBoy	-170
21	BicycleBoy	-170
21	Rote_Laterne	-170
24	Scrooll07	-179
25	Kazistuta	-196
26	AmisVelo	-200
27	JumboVismaFan	-217
28	Anderis	-232
29	Yellow_Knight	-233
30	Laarsland	-239
31	Vladimir	-244
32	DJW	-264
33	DevilsElbow	-287
34	Mellow_Velo	-296
34	Northerner	-296
36	Rufs	-297
37	Ricco	-311
	Collective_Wisdom	-279

Standings
Not sure that we have ever had a banned leader before, but I guess he can still read the table. Huge jump to 4th for Salvarani.

1	Bonimenier	1162	3
2	QueenStagiaire	1157	1
3	Bminchow	1128	-2
4	Salvarani	1122	15
5	Triley36	1052	5
6	ArchieBoy	971	-4
7	Cordi333	952	0
8	18_Valve	932	-3
9	EvansIsTheBest	932	-3
10	Titan31	906	13
11	Postmanhat	898	3
12	Ludwigzgz	857	0
13	DJSprtsch	825	-4
14	Search	772	1
15	Del1962	699	5
16	Northerner	669	-8
17	DJW	657	-6
18	Kazistuta	644	-2
19	DevilsElbow	615	-6
20	BluesInTheBottle	597	6
21	Armchair_Cyclist	593	3
22	Leadbelly	570	0
23	Mellow_Velo	538	-6
24	Madrazo	535	3
25	Ricco	523	-7
26	SamuCuenca	490	11
27	Rote_Laterne	430	2
27	Scrooll07	430	1
29	BicycleBoy	426	1
30	Rufs	423	-9
31	Laarsland	397	-6
32	JumboVismaFan	364	0
33	AmisVelo	363	0
34	Anderis	363	-3
35	Vladimir	305	-1
36	RedheadDane	300	0
37	Yellow_Knight	285	-2
	Collective_Wisdom	420

Don't expect much drama in today's update.

Samu Cuenca · Sep 1, 2023

An old geezer finally wins a stage, but it's someone I didn't think would do anything in this race.

RedheadDane · Sep 1, 2023

Samu Cuenca said:
An old geezer finally wins a stage, but it's someone I didn't think would do anything in this race.

Don't know if I should laugh that you didn't have success (no, I'm not gloating...) or be mad that you called 35-year-old Soupe "an old geezer"...

Also feel quite stupid for not including Aular in my lineup...

Samu Cuenca · Sep 1, 2023

RedheadDane said:
Don't know if I should laugh that you didn't have success (no, I'm not gloating...) or be mad that you called 35-year-old Soupe "an old geezer"...

Soupe is old for a cyclist, but still slightly young for a human.

Armchair cyclist · Sep 1, 2023

Stage 7
A first ever World Tour win for Victorian poet Edward Lear

SOUPE Geoffrey	70	0
AULAR SANABRIA Orluis Alberto	40	1
THEUNS Edward	25	0
MOLANO BENAVIDES Juan Sebastian	15	2
GROVES Kaden	10	8
VAN DEN BERG Marijn	7	2
GONZALEZ LOPEZ David	5	0
PAGE Hugo	3	0
GANNA Filippo	2	0
GOVEKAR Matevz	1	1

DJSprtsch's multi-sprinter approach pays off again, with 4 men in the top 10

1	DJSprtsch	72
2	Rufs	15
3	DJW	11
4	Bminchow	10
4	DevilsElbow	10
4	Kazistuta	10
4	Northerner	10
4	QueenStagiaire	10
4	Search	10
10	Postmanhat	7
11	The rest	0

Standings
So, can a sprinter-based team guarantee success in the stage points classification? Not as much so as in the race itself, because here there is no weighting of points in favour of flat stages, but it might happen.

1	DJSprtsch	341	1
2	QueenStagiaire	304	-1
3	Kazistuta	250	0
4	Bminchow	242	0
5	Search	237	0
6	DJW	233	0
7	DevilsElbow	232	-1
8	Northerner	198	0
9	18_Valve	114	0
10	Salvarani	109	0

Red Points
De La Cruz sneaked past Cepeda to 7th, Mas dropped to 11th because of Vingegaard's bonus sprint effort, and Arensman is out from his fall.

AULAR SANABRIA Orluis Alberto	43	1
MOLANO BENAVIDES Juan Sebastian	19	2
GROVES Kaden	10	8
VAN DEN BERG Marijn	22	2
DE LA CRUZ MELGAREJO David	25	2
MARTINEZ Lenny	13	9

CASTROVIEJO NICOLAS Jonathan	-14	1
MAS NICOLAU Enric	-15	2
CEPEDA HERNANDEZ Jefferson Alveiro	-25	1
ARENSMAN Thymen	-56	4

Small changes compared to yesterday

1	DJSprtsch	94
2	Postmanhat	44
3	Triley36	40
4	Salvarani	23
5	Bminchow	19
5	Northerner	19
7	Cordi333	18
8	DJW	17
9	Ludwigzgz	15
9	Search	15
11	Titan31	13
12	DevilsElbow	11
13	Kazistuta	10
14	BicycleBoy	8
15	QueenStagiaire	7
16	Yellow_Knight	6
17	Leadbelly	5
17	Scrooll07	5
19	Bonimenier	4
20	Laarsland	3
20	Rote_Laterne	3
22	Del1962	2
23	Vladimir	0
24	Anderis	-2
25	Armchair_Cyclist	-3
26	Madrazo	-4
26	Mellow_Velo	-4
28	Ricco	-9
29	SamuCuenca	-10
30	RedheadDane	-12
31	JumboVismaFan	-13
32	BluesInTheBottle	-15
33	18_Valve	-17
34	Rufs	-41
35	ArchieBoy	-42
36	EvansIsTheBest	-42
37	AmisVelo	-55
	Collective_Wisdom	1

Standings

1	Bonimenier	1166	0
2	QueenStagiaire	1164	0
3	Bminchow	1147	0
4	Salvarani	1145	0
5	Triley36	1092	0
6	Cordi333	970	1
7	Postmanhat	942	4
8	ArchieBoy	929	-2
9	DJSprtsch	919	4
10	Titan31	919	0
11	18_Valve	915	-3
12	EvansIsTheBest	890	-3
13	Ludwigzgz	872	-1
14	Search	787	0
15	Del1962	701	0
16	Northerner	688	0
17	DJW	674	0
18	Kazistuta	654	0
19	DevilsElbow	626	0
20	Armchair_Cyclist	590	1
21	BluesInTheBottle	582	-1
22	Leadbelly	575	0
23	Mellow_Velo	534	0
24	Madrazo	531	0
25	Ricco	514	0
26	SamuCuenca	480	0
27	Scrooll07	435	0
28	BicycleBoy	434	1
29	Rote_Laterne	433	-2
30	Laarsland	400	1
31	Rufs	382	-1
32	Anderis	361	0
33	JumboVismaFan	351	-1
34	AmisVelo	308	-1
35	Vladimir	305	0
36	Yellow_Knight	291	1
37	RedheadDane	288	-1
	Collective_Wisdom	421

Will the permanence of the top 8 in GC be challenged tomorrow? Will there be another break to further disrupt the high GC positions? Will they all have tried to grow luxuriant beards overnight?

QueenStagiaire · Sep 1, 2023

Time is starting to run out for me to take the lead during the first week before falling off dramatically like in the Tour. If it doesn’t happen I will appeal to the CAS that Bonimenier‘s ban should be enforced.

Armchair cyclist · Sep 2, 2023

Stage 8
"What do you mean I could have won?"

Green points
The main players are back at the front, but so is the guy now in red.

ROGLIC Primoz	70	8
EVENEPOEL Remco	40	0
AYUSO PESQUERA Juan	25	26
MAS NICOLAU Enric	15	2
VINGEGAARD RASMUSSEN Jonas	10	0
ALMEIDA Joao Pedro Gonçalves	7	1
KUSS Sepp	5	2
SOLER GIMENEZ Marc	3	0
POELS Wout	2	3
VLASOV Aleksandr	1	30

Three of the Roglic teams also have Ayuso: the others at least have Vlasov.

1	BluesInTheBottle	95
1	Rote_Laterne	95
1	Scrooll07	95
4	Anderis	71
4	Armchair_Cyclist	71
4	BicycleBoy	71
4	Madrazo	71
4	Vladimir	71
9	18_Valve	46
10	Ludwigzgz	42
11	QueenStagiaire	31
12	Del1962	28
13	ArchieBoy	26
13	Bonimenier	26
13	Cordi333	26
13	DevilsElbow	26
13	DJSprtsch	26
13	DJW	26
13	EvansIsTheBest	26
13	JumboVismaFan	26
13	Kazistuta	26
13	Laarsland	26
13	Leadbelly	26
13	Mellow_Velo	26
13	Postmanhat	26
13	Ricco	26
13	Rufs	26
13	Search	26
13	Triley36	26
30	Salvarani	25
30	Titan31	25
32	Yellow_Knight	8
33	SamuCuenca	2
34	AmisVelo	1
34	Bminchow	1
34	Northerner	1
34	RedheadDane	1
	Collective_Wisdom	26

Standings
Scrool makes a big jump to get in the top ten, although BitB and Rote Laterne just behind him, and therefore just below the cut-off, have even bigger jumps.

1	DJSprtsch	367	0
2	QueenStagiaire	335	0
3	Kazistuta	276	0
4	Search	263	1
5	DJW	259	1
6	DevilsElbow	258	1
7	Bminchow	243	-3
8	Northerner	199	0
9	18_Valve	160	0
10	Scrooll07	152	12

Red Points

The big names all move up a few places, going someway towards restoring the expected order.

ROGLIC Primoz	153	8
KUSS Sepp	123	2
AYUSO PESQUERA Juan	64	26
MAS NICOLAU Enric	45	2
ALMEIDA Joao Pedro Gonçalves	43	1
LANDA MEANA Mikel	25	1
VLASOV Aleksandr	17	30
CATTANEO Mattia	14	1
KRON Andreas Lorentz	14	1
NAVARRO GARCIA Daniel	11	1

VAN DEN BERG Marijn	-10	2
POOLE Max	-11	3
ROMO OLIVER Javier	-14	12
GAZE Samuel	-15	2
WARBASSE Larry	-35	1
DE LA CRUZ MELGAREJO David	-78	2
CEPEDA HERNANDEZ Jefferson Alveiro	-87	1
CRAS Steff	-136	6
MARTINEZ Lenny	-192	9

Points shifts are not as big as a couple of days ago, but will still be fairly significant.

1	18_Valve	244
2	Rote_Laterne	213
3	Scrooll07	211
4	QueenStagiaire	202
5	Anderis	177
6	Vladimir	171
7	BicycleBoy	156
8	BluesInTheBottle	96
9	JumboVismaFan	94
10	DJW	91
11	Rufs	88
12	Laarsland	79
13	Ricco	78
14	DevilsElbow	73
14	Kazistuta	73
14	Mellow_Velo	73
17	Del1962	72
18	Yellow_Knight	71
19	RedheadDane	40
20	Armchair_Cyclist	39
21	Northerner	28
22	Madrazo	25
23	Ludwigzgz	24
24	AmisVelo	4
25	SamuCuenca	3
26	Search	-44
27	Leadbelly	-66
28	DJSprtsch	-67
29	EvansIsTheBest	-119
29	Salvarani	-119
31	Cordi333	-121
32	ArchieBoy	-122
33	Titan31	-146
34	Postmanhat	-161
35	Bminchow	-188
36	Triley36	-192
37	Bonimenier	-246
	Collective_Wisdom	77

Standings
The two teams with Sepp Kuss take over the top two places:most of the difference between the two of them is the points Groves has above Mas.
Four of the Martinez teams in the next 4 spots. Roglic is the most expensive rider selected, but despite his win today is still essentially a hindrance to his teams: the highest placed of them is 20th.

1	QueenStagiaire	1366	1
2	18_Valve	1159	9
3	Salvarani	1026	1
4	Bminchow	959	-1
5	Bonimenier	920	-4
6	Triley36	900	-1
7	Ludwigzgz	896	6
8	DJSprtsch	852	1
9	Cordi333	849	-3
10	ArchieBoy	807	-2
11	Postmanhat	781	-4
12	Del1962	773	3
13	Titan31	773	-3
14	EvansIsTheBest	771	-2
15	DJW	765	2
16	Search	743	-2
17	Kazistuta	727	1
18	Northerner	716	-2
19	DevilsElbow	699	0
20	BluesInTheBottle	678	1
21	Scrooll07	646	6
22	Rote_Laterne	646	7
23	Armchair_Cyclist	629	-3
24	Mellow_Velo	607	-1
25	Ricco	592	0
26	BicycleBoy	590	2
27	Madrazo	556	-3
28	Anderis	538	6
29	Leadbelly	509	-7
30	SamuCuenca	483	-4
31	Laarsland	479	-1
32	Vladimir	476	3
33	Rufs	470	-2
34	JumboVismaFan	445	-1
35	Yellow_Knight	362	1
36	RedheadDane	328	1
37	AmisVelo	312	-3
	Collective_Wisdom	498

Armchair cyclist · Sep 3, 2023

Stage 9
Mudlarkin'

Green points
Glass half empty: very few picks among the successful breakaway;
Glass half empty: We nearly all got someone in the top ten

KÄMNA Lennard	70	0
SOBRERO Matteo	40	0
HAMILTON Chris	25	1
GEBREIGZABHIER Amanuel Werkilul	15	0
BARRENETXEA GOLZARRI Jon	10	1
FERNANDEZ ANDUJAR Ruben	7	0
CAICEDO CEPEDA Jonathan Klever	5	3
NAVARRO GARCIA Daniel	3	1
MAS NICOLAU Enric	2	2
VLASOV Aleksandr	1	30

1	Del1962	26
2	Yellow_Knight	14
3	DJSprtsch	6
3	Leadbelly	6
5	Scrooll07	5
6	18_Valve	3
7	Ludwigzgz	2
8	Most of the rest (but 5 teams have zero)	1

Standings
No changes in the top 10 (or indeed the top 17, then Del has a 12 place leap)

1	DJSprtsch	373
2	QueenStagiaire	336
3	Kazistuta	277
4	Search	264
5	DJW	260
6	DevilsElbow	259
7	Bminchow	244
8	Northerner	200
9	18_Valve	163
10	Scrooll07	157

Red Points
Other than the obvious, the places lost by Wout Poels coming in 13 minutes down is the main source of points.

HAMILTON Chris	25	1
VLASOV Aleksandr	23	30
ROGLIC Primoz	22	8
CAICEDO CEPEDA Jonathan Klever	21	3
UIJTDEBROEKS Cian	20	7
MAS NICOLAU Enric	17	2
ALMEIDA Joao Pedro Gonçalves	15	1
AYUSO PESQUERA Juan	15	26
KUSS Sepp	13	2
BUITRAGO SANCHEZ Santiago	12	5
BARRENETXEA GOLZARRI Jon	11	1
NAVARRO GARCIA Daniel	11	1

CRAS Steff	-14	6
LOPEZ PEREZ Juan Pedro	-16	13
CEPEDA HERNANDEZ Jefferson Alveiro	-24	1
POELS Wout	-203	3

I hope all the times, originally rather chaotically reported, are correct now. Any anomolies should be ironed out in Tuesdays update.

A few outliers, but most daily scores very close together.
If you want to see how the Green points classification varies from this, just compared what happened to Del1962 here to a little higher up this post.

1	Mellow_Velo	66
2	Yellow_Knight	62
3	18_Valve	58
3	ArchieBoy	58
3	Triley36	58
6	QueenStagiaire	55
7	Laarsland	50
8	Leadbelly	44
8	Vladimir	44
10	DJSprtsch	43
11	BicycleBoy	39
11	JumboVismaFan	39
13	Kazistuta	38
13	Scrooll07	38
15	Bonimenier	37
16	Bminchow	35
16	Ricco	35
18	DevilsElbow	33
19	EvansIsTheBest	31
20	Postmanhat	29
21	Madrazo	27
22	AmisVelo	25
22	Anderis	25
24	Search	24
25	Cordi333	21
26	Northerner	19
27	Rufs	17
28	RedheadDane	16
29	DJW	15
30	Armchair_Cyclist	11
30	Rote_Laterne	11
30	Titan31	11
33	BluesInTheBottle	-1
34	Salvarani	-19
35	Del1962	-138
36	Ludwigzgz	-183
37	SamuCuenca	-201
	Collective_Wisdom	17

Standings

Very little change apart from those 3 teams with Poels. Samu doesn't fall as many places as the other two, but there's a reason for that.

1	QueenStagiaire	1421	0
2	18_Valve	1217	0
3	Salvarani	1007	0
4	Bminchow	994	0
5	Triley36	958	1
6	Bonimenier	957	-1
7	DJSprtsch	895	1
8	Cordi333	870	1
9	ArchieBoy	865	1
10	Postmanhat	810	1
11	EvansIsTheBest	802	3
12	Titan31	784	1
13	DJW	780	2
14	Search	767	2
15	Kazistuta	765	2
16	Northerner	735	2
17	DevilsElbow	732	2
18	Ludwigzgz	713	-11
19	Scrooll07	684	2
20	BluesInTheBottle	677	0
21	Mellow_Velo	673	3
22	Rote_Laterne	657	0
23	Armchair_Cyclist	640	0
24	Del1962	635	-12
25	BicycleBoy	629	1
26	Ricco	627	-1
27	Madrazo	583	0
28	Anderis	563	0
29	Leadbelly	553	0
30	Laarsland	529	1
31	Vladimir	520	1
32	Rufs	487	1
33	JumboVismaFan	484	1
34	Yellow_Knight	424	1
35	RedheadDane	344	1
36	AmisVelo	337	1
37	SamuCuenca	282	-7
	Collective_Wisdom	515

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@search : each of these updates involves 10 copy and paste executions. I can do it, honestly

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