Teams & Riders Everybody needs a little bit of Roglstomp in their lives

[Blanco]

Or maybe 2020 was.

Twice in a lifetime chance then..

 

[Blanco]

I agree, I think Vingegaard, Pogacar, Roglic and Evenepoel will all compete for victory. Mostly due to Vingegaard not going to be 100% ready, Pogacar feeling the Giro, and thus reducing the gap with Roglic/Evenepoel

Vingegaard won't make it, even if he starts the race.
Remco will fade, he won't make it to the podium.
Pogacar will feel the Giro, although he will fight for the win.
Roglic will be a contender for the win.
Bernal will emerge from the "dead" and fight for podium, at least...

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

Remco will fade, he won't make it to the podium.

I'm afraid something like this will happen as well. In the third week he will lose up to 10 minutes, which will diminish his 30 minute lead over runner-up Pogacar to merely 20 minutes. After finishing the TT in Nice, instantly immense festivities ensue and Evenepoel gets carried by the crowds into the night, and he won't make it to the podium ceremony.

 

[Berniece]

Vingegaard won't make it, even if he starts the race.
Remco will fade, he won't make it to the podium.
Pogacar will feel the Giro, although he will fight for the win.
Roglic will be a contender for the win.
Bernal will emerge from the "dead" and fight for podium, at least...

Roglic fans can hope, it's the only way he can win the TDF

 

[Elos Anjos]

Roglic is currently lurking and waiting that the Gods grant him another chance. With Pogi a bit battered and Vingo still in doubts, he has a chance. Actually, he already had one. IMO he can be as good as those two.

I'm personally waiting for Remco to battle it out but I feel he will be competitive for some stages until he fades out with a bang in some stage.

 

[Froome]

Roglic is currently lurking and waiting that the Gods grant him another chance. With Pogi a bit battered and Vingo still in doubts, he has a chance. Actually, he already had one. IMO he can be as good as those two.

I'm personally waiting for Remco to battle it out but I feel he will be competitive for some stages until he fades out with a bang in some stage.

No, he can't be as good as those two. Wishfull thinking.

Currently, Roglic level on a GT is more close to the level of guys like G.Thomas than close to the level of Pogacar and then Vingegaard.

 

[Extinction]

No, he can't be as good as those two. Wishfull thinking.

Currently, Roglic level on a GT is more close to the level of guys like G.Thomas than close to the level of Pogacar and then Vingegaard.

I think he's above Thomas, really, but it depends on Vingegaard's state of affairs and Pogi's recovery from the Giro as to whether or not Roglic can be higher than they. Of the three, it seems Primoz has the most ideal trajectory in terms of preparation and pre-race build-up, which shall be more understood after the Dauphine.

 

[AmRacer]

I think he's above Thomas, really, but it depends on Vingegaard's state of affairs and Pogi's recovery from the Giro as to whether or not Roglic can be higher than they. Of the three, it seems Promoz has the most ideal trajectory in terms of preparation and pre-race build-up, which shall be more understood after the Dauphine.

Froome means the distance between Rog and Thomas is less than between Rog and Pog.

 

[Extinction]

Froome means the distance between Rog and Thomas is less than between Rog and Pog.

That perhaps depends on how it pans out, as I suggested in my post

 

[CyclistAbi]

Rogla is too good of a wheel sucker to be that far behind Pogi and Jonas as some tend to believe.

 

[Froome]

I think he's above Thomas, really, but it depends on Vingegaard's state of affairs and Pogi's recovery from the Giro as to whether or not Roglic can be higher than they. Of the three, it seems Promoz has the most ideal trajectory in terms of preparation and pre-race build-up, which shall be more understood after the Dauphine.

I also think Roglic is above Thomas but not that much, and certainly more close to him, than close to Vingegaard and Pogacar in terms of GT level.

I was talking in normal conditions, if Roglic at 100% against Vingegaard and Pogacar at 100%, but there's a possibility that Vingegaard and Pogacar will not go to the Tour at 100%, so the chances of Roglic increase a bit.

 

[CyclistAbi]

Rogla will do just fine. He is GOAT stage racer and on top of that the most experienced GTer from them all. Motivation is high and the team again fully behind him. A crash or some *** like that could prevent him winning, still i find that less likely. So optimal preparation for Rogla and the team and nobody can stop them. There is no such force in nature and beyond.

 

[Elos Anjos]

LOL. Zero arguments. The usual personal interpretations of what's on other user's minds. Same b*****t. Every single time.

The only basis for a realistic comparison in a GT between Roglic and Geraint Thomas is Giro 2023. Roglic won by 14 seconds while injured and was belittled in his glorious victory by the usual gang around here because in the end he barely defeated an old man.

So since Geraint Thomas was 3rd in Tour 2022 by 10m or something to 1st (Vingo) and 2nd (Pogi), this is the "rationale" for stating that Roglic is closer to Geraint Thomas than Roglic is to Pog and Vingo.

Let's forget Vuelta 2023 where final times between contenders were much more closer and Geraint Thomas was 31st. And Roglic was the only one with a personality to state that he was there to win (or loose while trying). Vingo only managed to gain time on Roglic after a surprise attack for his "friend" (bollocks).

The lesson is that each race has its own story. You have to be smart to read what's going on in each one. Otherwise you keep seeing times differences as objective quantifications of performance that should prevail into other races. Which of course is an obvious mistake.

 

[Red Rick]

I'm mostly curious why we're talking about Thomas here.

Like if there is one dude you expect to not do a good Giro/Tour double it's Thomas.

 

[topcat]

Roglic will not win the tour until he learns how to state and prove the Hahn-Banach theorem.

 

[CyclistAbi]

And what if Thomas beats Pogi on this Giro edition, are then Pogi and Jonas behind Thomas? Point being this is just so selective memory, like if Rogla didn't beat them all already in the past.

 

[SHAD0W93]

And what if Thomas beats Pogi on this Giro edition, are then Pogi and Jonas behind Thomas? Point being this is just so selective memory, like if Rogla didn't beat them all already in the past.

Like if Pogacar and Vingegaard didn’t beat Roglic in the past.

 

[Berniece]

And what if Thomas beats Pogi on this Giro edition, are then Pogi and Jonas behind Thomas? Point being this is just so selective memory, like if Rogla didn't beat them all already in the past.

If Thomas beats Pogacar this Giro, then obviously Pogacar is behind Thomas in GT riding. Unless it’s due to an injury.

 

[Red Rick]

If Thomas beats Pogacar this Giro, then obviously Pogacar is behind Thomas in GT riding. Unless it’s due to an injury.

It's not that black and white. It would also mean Pogacar was closer to Adam Yates than Vingegaard as a GC rider after the TdF last year

 

[CyclistAbi]

Like if Pogacar and Vingegaard didn’t beat Roglic in the past.

Exactly. Some are acting like this is some sort of one way street.

 

[CyclistAbi]

If Thomas beats Pogacar this Giro, then obviously Pogacar is behind Thomas in GT riding. Unless it’s due to an injury.

I don't know. What that would mean is there are currently top five-ish in top tier. And that perception is rather subjective. Considering all the discussions we had on where that is supposedly simply not possible.

 

[bNator]

I'm mostly curious why we're talking about Thomas here.

Like if there is one dude you expect to not do a good Giro/Tour double it's Thomas.

Apparently, he seems to be a yardstick for being a bad GT rider for whatever reason.

I also think Roglic is above Thomas but not that much, and certainly more close to him, than close to Vingegaard and Pogacar in terms of GT level.

I was talking in normal conditions, if Roglic at 100% against Vingegaard and Pogacar at 100%, but there's a possibility that Vingegaard and Pogacar will not go to the Tour at 100%, so the chances of Roglic increase a bit.

Either that or he will blow everyone away for the n-th time by being a good GT rider. What a *** surprise…

 

[CyclistAbi]

Either that or he will blow everyone away for the n-th time by being a good GT rider. What a *** surprise…

Who?

 

[Berniece]

It's not that black and white. It would also mean Pogacar was closer to Adam Yates than Vingegaard as a GC rider after the TdF last year

I'm just saying that if Thomas is able to beat Pogacar one-on-one, I don't see Pogacar like I see him now.

 

[DoYouEvenRideBruh]

Roglic will not win the tour until he learns how to state and prove the Hahn-Banach theorem.

You can't get away with not explaining the thought process that led you to this post in full detail.

Is this some very obscure joke about contract extensions?