State of the Peloton 2024

[Rob5091]

https://as.com/ciclismo/el-tas-conf...de-superman-no-fue-por-sustancias-dopantes-n/
Googling translation - (English version at https://cyclinguptodate.com/cycling...orders-astana-pay-him-a-large-sum-of-back-pay )

CAS considers that Superman did not abandon the Giro due to doping​

Astana must pay the Colombian's salary after suspending him for being involved in the alleged Operation Ilex doping scheme.​

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The UCI opened a disciplinary procedure that has dragged on for more than nine months, with no resolution to date. The case is being prosecuted in Spain, in a court in Cáceres, which must determine whether to open an oral trial for the alleged doping scheme against several of the accused.

 

[Rob5091]

We’re just clowns in the circus​

https://www.cyclingnews.com/news/we...stions-safety-of-giro-ditalias-naples-finale/

G nails it!

 

[Tim Cahill]

Whats going on with AG2R, pretty funny, Valentin Paret-Peintre looked like peak-Froome out there today

Some of these young French guys seem to have stopped giving a ***, Lenny Martinez has been pulling some huge performances out of his arse all season too. Alex Baudin might top 10 a GT after coming back from getting popped.

 

[Mayomaniac]

Whats going on with AG2R, pretty funny, Valentin Paret-Peintre looked like peak-Froome out there today

Some of these young French guys seem to have stopped giving a ***, Lenny Martinez has been pulling some huge performances out of his arse all season too. Alex Baudin might top 10 a GT after coming back from getting popped.

Just wait until you see the AG2R Tour team

 

[Tim Cahill]

Just wait until you see the AG2R Tour team

Was thinking the same, Gall/2007 Rasmussen regen vibes I swear

 

[pastronef]

Whats going on with AG2R, pretty funny, Valentin Paret-Peintre looked like peak-Froome out there today

Some of these young French guys seem to have stopped giving a ***, Lenny Martinez has been pulling some huge performances out of his arse all season too. Alex Baudin might top 10 a GT after coming back from getting popped.

Valentin (Ag2r, MPCC) is 20 minutes back in GC and won from the break that was let go, beating Bardet and Tratnik. really folks I really don't know what you people want. shouting doping at every occasion.

 

[Tim Cahill]

Valentin (Ag2r, MPCC) is 20 minutes back in GC and won from the break that was let go, beating Bardet and Tratnik. really folks I really don't know what you people want. shouting doping at every occasion.

He beat 35 guys after attacking several times throughout the stage and pulling a lot, the break included people who have podiumed Grand Tours and won many prestigious stages, his previous best stage result was 5th in 2023, on a mountain behind Canadian track rider Derek Gee. If you watched the full stage then it wasn't so much the victory as the manner in which he did it, Bardet was 2nd in Liege last month and he was left looking like a child on the mountainside today.

They have 15 wins so far in May this season, with 9 total last year, this alone is a notable but alone not worth a reaction. AG2R being MPCC however is relevant like you said, as the guy they currently have fighting for top 10 has 0 professional wins and just came back flying after a time on the naughty step for cheating and doing drugs during this very race, this has seemingly just been swept under the rug, making the movement even more of a joke that it already is. It is the fact that they shrugged their shoulders at this coupled with a marked upturn in results and performances that incites suspicion.

They should've just left the MPCC, you can't have your cake and eat it.

 

[pastronef]

He beat 35 guys after attacking several times throughout the stage and pulling a lot, the break included people who have podiumed Grand Tours and won many prestigious stages, his previous best stage result was 5th in 2023, on a mountain behind Canadian track rider Derek Gee. If you watched the full stage then it wasn't so much the victory as the manner in which he did it, Bardet was 2nd in Liege last month and he was left looking like a child on the mountainside today.

They have 15 wins so far in May this season, with 9 total last year, this alone is a notable but alone not worth a reaction. AG2R being MPCC however is relevant like you said, as the guy they currently have fighting for top 10 has 0 professional wins and just came back flying after a time on the naughty step for cheating and doing drugs during this very race, this has seemingly just been swept under the rug, making the movement even more of a joke that it already is. It is the fact that they shrugged their shoulders at this coupled with a marked upturn in results and performances that incites suspicion.

They should've just left the MPCC, you can't have your cake and eat it.

he was 4th at the Tour of the Alps (ahead of Bardet). he's on form. he was ahead when the bigger part of the break was taken by surprise and Chavez, Pozzo and co lost time before the sprint. Bardet is doing better, he was sick last week, and he was distanced, not left like a child. Baudin took tramadol, was suspended, and now he's back. when he tests positive again for tramadol I'll point the finger. when Aurelien beats the big guns I'll point the finger.
O'Connor is 4th in GC, he already was 4th in a grand tour in TDF 2021 iirc

 

[Ilmaestro99]

Ag2r has a far from perfect history with antidoping, crying MPCC with them doesn't really make sense.

After being almost a laughing stock of the world tour for years they are suddenly a top 5 team. Lapeira, Baudin, Valentin pater pentre, cosnefroy, O Conner, tronchon, Godon have all very suddenly and very obviously hit a much better level. Some of these guys had farmers results before this spring and are now winning WT races

 

[proffate]

guys calm down. It was the BMCs holding them back, which makes Cadel Evans even more of a legend, winning the tour as the only rider paniagua and riding a boat anchor to boot

 

[Nick2413]

Whats going on with AG2R, pretty funny, Valentin Paret-Peintre looked like peak-Froome out there today

Some of these young French guys seem to have stopped giving a ***, Lenny Martinez has been pulling some huge performances out of his arse all season too. Alex Baudin might top 10 a GT after coming back from getting popped.

As soon as I heard talk of AG2R upping their nutrition game this year a few months back, I knew we’d be in for something good.

 

[Ripper]

As soon as I heard talk of AG2R upping their nutrition game this year a few months back, I knew we’d be in for something good.

What are you on?

Carbs my friend, all the carbs

 

[Slavique Nuke]

Decathlon have four of the best ten climbers in the Giro. They can easily crush the UAE and isolate Pog. I will be curious to see what they do for the rest of the race, I think they will be aggressive.

 

[pastronef]

Ag2r has a far from perfect history with antidoping, crying MPCC with them doesn't really make sense.

After being almost a laughing stock of the world tour for years they are suddenly a top 5 team. Lapeira, Baudin, Valentin pater pentre, cosnefroy, O Conner, tronchon, Godon have all very suddenly and very obviously hit a much better level. Some of these guys had farmers results before this spring and are now winning WT races

when O'Connor and Gall outpedal Pog and Roglic and Remco I'll cry wolf. until then I just clap when a team, a steady team in any case, has great performances.
also, betting on the GVA and the Naesens didn't go well

O'Connor is confirming, for now, his level, he was 4th at the Tour 2021
Gall already went very well at the TotAlps 2022 getting top10 in every stage, MTF included
won his TDF stage from the break and placed 9 in GC 2023

last year they had just 9 wins, but with 3 WT wins, and Godon won Brabantse Pijl and Veneto he didn't SUDDENLY star going well in 2024. also Peters won a great Laigueglia
Cosnefroy was sick both in spring and in autumn, while this year he's finally 100%

9	Giro del Veneto	1.Pro	GODON Dorian
8	Tour Poitou - Charentes en Nouvelle Aquitaine | Stage 4	2.1	SARREAU Marc
7	Tour de France | Stage 17	2.UWT	GALL Felix
6	Tour de Suisse | Stage 4	2.UWT	GALL Felix
5	Boucles de l'Aulne - Châteaulin	1.1	VAN AVERMAET Greg
4	Giro d'Italia | Stage 4	2.UWT	PARET-PEINTRE Aurélien
3	De Brabantse Pijl - La Flèche Brabançonne ME	1.Pro	GODON Dorian
2	Trofeo Laigueglia	1.Pro	PETERS Nans
1	Tour des Alpes Maritimes et du Var | Stage 3	2.1	PARET-PEINTRE Aurélien

in 2022 they won 3 WT races: Quebec (Cosnefroy) TDF stage (Jungels) Catalunya stage (O'Connor)

11	Grand Prix Cycliste de Québec	1.UWT	COSNEFROY Benoît
10	Tour Poitou - Charentes en Nouvelle Aquitaine | Stage 3	2.1	SARREAU Marc
9	Tour Poitou - Charentes en Nouvelle Aquitaine | Stage 2	2.1	SARREAU Marc
8	Tour Poitou - Charentes en Nouvelle Aquitaine | Stage 1	2.1	SARREAU Marc
7	Vuelta a Burgos | Stage 3	2.Pro	TRONCHON Bastien
6	Tour de France | Stage 9	2.UWT	JUNGELS Bob
5	National Championships Luxembourg - ITT	NC	JUNGELS Bob
4	Tour of the Alps | Stage 1	2.Pro	BOUCHARD Geoffrey
3	Tour du Jura Cycliste	1.1	O'CONNOR Ben
2	Volta Ciclista a Catalunya | Stage 3	2.UWT	O'CONNOR Ben
1	Cholet - Pays de la Loire	1.1	SARREAU Marc

in 2021 4 WT races (Godon 3 wins, Paris-Camembert among those, like Cosnefroy this year. those kind of races are a goal for the French team, same as Tour du Jura, they won in 2022 too) and see Cosnefroy with 3 wins ( one being Tour du Finistere, same as he won last month)

12	Boucles de l'Aulne - Châteaulin	1.1	DEWULF Stan
11	Tour du Doubs	1.1	GODON Dorian
10	La Vuelta ciclista a España | Stage 20	2.UWT	CHAMPOUSSIN Clément
9	Tour du Jura Cycliste	1.1	COSNEFROY Benoît
8	Bretagne Classic - Ouest-France	1.UWT	COSNEFROY Benoît
7	Tour du Limousin - Nouvelle Aquitaine | Stage 2	2.1	GODON Dorian
6	Tour de France | Stage 9	2.UWT	O'CONNOR Ben
5	Paris-Camembert	1.1	GODON Dorian
4	La Route d'Occitanie - La Dépêche du Midi | Stage 1	2.1	VENDRAME Andrea
3	Tour du Finistère	1.1	COSNEFROY Benoît
2	Giro d'Italia | Stage 12	2.UWT	VENDRAME Andrea
1	Grand Prix Cycliste la Marseillaise	1.1	PARET-PEINTRE Aurélien

and check Godon as early as 2020, and Cosnefroy. they keep doing what they're able to

5	Paris-Camembert	1.1	GODON Dorian
4	Tour de France | Stage 8	2.UWT	PETERS Nans
3	La Route d'Occitanie - La Dépêche du Midi | Stage 4	2.1	COSNEFROY Benoît
2	Etoile de Bessèges	2.1	COSNEFROY Benoît
1	Grand Prix Cycliste la Marseillaise	1.1	COSNEFROY Benoît

 

[Netserk]

Gall was the second best climber in the third week of the Tour last year.

 

[pastronef]

Gall was the second best climber in the third week of the Tour last year.

he did great, he was 8th at 16 minutes anyway. Ag2r has a good history of getting their riders in the TDF top10

 

[Slavique Nuke]

Gall is down in the rankings because he sucks at everything except climbing

 

[pastronef]

Gall is down in the rankings because he sucks at everything except climbing

there you go, rankings are made by all stages, racing conditions and racing craft. that's cycling.

 

[zlev11]

he did great, he was 8th at 16 minutes anyway. Ag2r has a good history of getting their riders in the TDF top10

none of this disputes the fact that he was the 2nd best climber in the third week of the tour de france

 

[the delgados]

Today Geraint Thomas said in an interview that he fully supports anyone who has the legs to win should go for it on any given stage. He was referring to Tadej and murmurs within the peloton that some riders are unhappy with his winning ways.
He followed that by saying it's something he wouldn't do. Why not?

 

[pastronef]

none of this disputes the fact that he was the 2nd best climber in the third week of the tour de france

I wasn't disputing his great 3rd week, I said between the first two week and the third week he did great. all than summed up led him to 8th in GC and a stage win.
if in the future he gets a Wada/Uci letter I will point the finger, no problem.
for now I enjoy and hope he does it again next July

 

[proffate]

Today Geraint Thomas said in an interview that he fully supports anyone who has the legs to win should go for it on any given stage. He was referring to Tadej and murmurs within the peloton that some riders are unhappy with his winning ways.
He followed that by saying it's something he wouldn't do. Why not?

talking out of both sides of his mouth

 

[Izzyeviel]

Today Geraint Thomas said in an interview that he fully supports anyone who has the legs to win should go for it on any given stage. He was referring to Tadej and murmurs within the peloton that some riders are unhappy with his winning ways.
He followed that by saying it's something he wouldn't do. Why not?

Have you never seen him race? He has one 30 second attack & thats it. If nothing else, he's a realist.

 

[Tim Cahill]

Today Geraint Thomas said in an interview that he fully supports anyone who has the legs to win should go for it on any given stage. He was referring to Tadej and murmurs within the peloton that some riders are unhappy with his winning ways.
He followed that by saying it's something he wouldn't do. Why not?

I heard the interview, he just meant he would blow up quickly if was attacking for every stage.

Interestingly enough apparently Tiberi's nickname in the peloton is 'The Sniper'

 

[the delgados]

I heard the interview, he just meant he would blow up quickly if was attacking for every stage.

Interestingly enough apparently Tiberi's nickname in the peloton is 'The Sniper'

That's what I figured he'd say if the interviewer asked the follow-up question. I probably tend to read too much into things, but Geraint knows this isn't Tadej's first rodeo. He knows Tadej knows what he's doing; the guy is not going to blow up.