2014 Vuelta a Burgos 13/8-17/8 (2.HC)

[ILovecycling]

Wannabe is when you don't win GT's

against 300W Nibali and tired murito,piti? everybody with decent climbing would have won that vuelta

 

[Arredondo]

against 300W Nibali and tired murito,piti? everybody with decent climbing would have won that vuelta

Pozzovivo and Pinot are no decent climbers then?

Don't be surprised if Horner turns out to be Nairo's toughest competitor.

 

[ILovecycling]

Pozzovivo and Pinot are no decent climbers then?

Don't be surprised if Horner turns out to be Nairo's toughest competitor.

pozzovivo and vuelta?no pinot and nightmares about descends? no

thats possible but then he would win by more than 3 minutes (froome,contador,purito dnf)

 

[Arredondo]

pozzovivo and vuelta?no pinot and nightmares about descends? no

thats possible but then he would win by more than 3 minutes (froome,contador,purito dnf)

Well, i don't think Contador in his current situation will be able to beat Papy anyway.

But i'm hoping about Froome and Purito

 

[Taxus4a]

You and Stefano?

10ch

Yes, it is me and Stefano. He has always talked very well about Burgos, and he raced several times this Vuelta. He was with Neri, maybe second director...

Quintana said today on TV tha it is the best organized Vuelta he has raced, taking care about cyclist.

One thing is that they are always in the same hotel.

Well about the ITT, it wanst so flat, and today it was just a little wind, and in the first soft but long climb, it was tail wind, and that is very good for climbers.

Anyway, any specialist here for this kind of ITT. I am from Burgos, I love this Vuelta, but that is reallity.

Pardilla very well, if you see Arroyo and compare, Sergio, ex Burgos cyclist, was impresive

 

[Taxus4a]

Well, i don't think Contador in his current situation will be able to beat Papy anyway.

But i'm hoping about Froome and Purito

Contador is in an good situation, better than when he won the Giro, maybe not ideal, but really good.

 

[Arredondo]

Contador is in an good situation, better than when he won the Giro, maybe not ideal, but really good.

And why is that?

 

[Dazed and Confused]

The business end of the ITT:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YjNGxKx5rU

 

[Taxus4a]

And why is that?

Why?
Becouse he was in a good condition in the Tour, he rode more than a week, so he is not so tired as people as Valverde or Pinot, but he has more days than froome, and he has been training for a month before La Vuelta, so that is a good preparation.
I think is better for Purito, who rode le tour, but not in the overall, or Quintana, who after to stop has rode Burgos, but ayway is a good preparation for La Vuelta.

At least you belive all about his injury, he had pain till a week ago, and he was determined to dont start...

But I said always here he will rode La Vuelta, before some people watch him climbing mountains in Lugano at the end of July.

He is is not in the top 20 in the first mountain finish, I ll tell you, you are right, he is not fine, he will improve, he can win a stage but he is not here to GC.

If he is close to the best, there is not excuse to be in his best condition at the last week, the important one.

 

[burning]

against 300W Nibali and tired murito,piti? everybody with decent climbing would have won that vuelta

http://www.climbing-records.com/2013/09/new-angliru-top-50-champions-set-great.html

http://www.climbing-records.com/2013/09/marvelous-chris-horner-new-record.html

 

[jens_attacks]

nice pic taxus.
burgos, always one of my favourite races of the year.
even better that they put the itt at the end now

 

[ILovecycling]

http://www.climbing-records.com/2013/09/new-angliru-top-50-champions-set-great.html

http://www.climbing-records.com/2013/09/marvelous-chris-horner-new-record.html

give me weather conditions,and in what km of climb was first gc leader's attack

 

[Arredondo]

Why?
Becouse he was in a good condition in the Tour, he rode more than a week, so he is not so tired as people as Valverde or Pinot, but he has more days than froome, and he has been training for a month before La Vuelta, so that is a good preparation.
I think is better for Purito, who rode le tour, but not in the overall, or Quintana, who after to stop has rode Burgos, but ayway is a good preparation for La Vuelta.

At least you belive all about his injury, he had pain till a week ago, and he was determined to dont start...

But I said always here he will rode La Vuelta, before some people watch him climbing mountains in Lugano at the end of July.

He is is not in the top 20 in the first mountain finish, I ll tell you, you are right, he is not fine, he will improve, he can win a stage but he is not here to GC.

If he is close to the best, there is not excuse to be in his best condition at the last week, the important one.

I don't get it really. Are you saying he's going for a stage (or more) in the third week? Or going to ride a good GC?

Because if you think the first option, ofcourse i agree with you.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

pozzovivo and vuelta?no pinot and nightmares about descends? no

thats possible but then he would win by more than 3 minutes (froome,contador,purito dnf)

Descent problem? This is La Vuelta!!!

 

[Escarabajo]

What a ****ing joke.

The same stupid comments that happened in Pais Vasco????

Are we going to do this for the next ten years before we realize that he is really good?

Haven't you watched enough???

BTW, Moreno was 4 seconds slower only. And he was slowing too much in the corners. Go figure.

 

[roundabout]

The same stupid comments that happened in Pais Vasco????

Are we going to do this for the next ten years before we realize that he is really good?

Haven't you watched enough???

BTW, Moreno was 4 seconds slower only. And he was slowing too much in the corners. Go figure.

Defensive much?

Saramotins is 15+ kg heavier. Do the math how ridiculous Quintana's performance was.

 

[Taxus4a]

I don't get it really. Are you saying he's going for a stage (or more) in the third week? Or going to ride a good GC?

Because if you think the first option, ofcourse i agree with you.

I think he has in mind to figh for GC, and to win the race, but without presure.

Maybe this is not the best way to get ready for La Vuelta, but he was thinking in his initial plans to ride both Tour and Vuelta, and that is not the best possible way. That way, he would have started to train for the Vuelta maybe later than what have done, but this is not the treath of Contador

If he is right, if he was more than one mont withot bike, with pain till this week, he shoul be aout of top 20 in firt mountain stage and later improve to maneged to win a stage.

I was following Betancur past day in Neila, in the stepest part, he was really slow, I could have attacked him and put time easy even with my heavy bike, but I was behind the car that close the race, he was fatter than me, and he told us at the end of the stage that he wanted to win a stage at the end of La Vuelta...

What I mean? I know Conntador is not as Contador, he is in good shape, and I know in the fort mountain stage contador will be with the best, or maybe just close to them, 20 second to Purito, for instance... but Betancur will be at several minutes. If Betancur could improve so much to win a stage later in the race, Contador should be at his best and still in time to win the race. If he is as good as some people think, he will do, becouse he is clever, with a good team, and brave and ambitious in the race.

He has some qualities, but I cant stand some things from him as this stuff of the injury, to sday, ner Vuelta, impossible, latter yes, I dodnt see Andy when the chain...ein?? if you pass just besides him, and acelerates... and always things like that.

But I want him in the race, he is a reference, he has race brave this year, we are in Spain, and...a stage start in Belorado, my town, thats historic, and I want here the best riders of the world. And I hope to be acredited by Unipublic, so, Alberto, thanks and try to go for the win.

But dont worry, Contador has his fans, and people that dont like a lot as well, I mean Spain, but maybe out as well, I try to be impartial, I use to encourage Alberto always, I have wrote nice article about him, but, the truth is there are some things of him that I dont like, and when I talk with others pro riders some of them think similar to me. But anybody is perfect, of course, and there are some things that I like. He is quite typical spanish, anyway, with his good and bad things. But Contador is not like Lastras that everybody talk very well...

 

[Rollthedice]

Last year's Pays Vasco

1 MARTIN TonyOmega Pharma - Quick-Step 35:05
2 QUINTANA NairoMovistar Team 0:17
3 INTXAUSTI BeñatMovistar Team 0:32
4 PORTE RichieSky Procycling 0:40
5 ŠPILAK SimonTeam Katusha 0:48

Last year's PN

1 PORTE RichieSky Procycling 19:16
2 TALANSKY AndrewGarmin Sharp 0:23
3 QUINTANA NairoMovistar Team 0:27
4 PERAUD Jean-ChristopheAG2R La Mondiale 0:32
5 VAN GARDEREN TejayBMC Racing Team 0:52

So where does exactly fit this Saramontis among these?

 

[jens_attacks]

nairito flying like robertito

rollthedice, what are the average speeds of those time trials? today nairo, above 50 kmph
amazing for vuelta,can't wait!

 

[roundabout]

Last year's Pays Vasco

1 MARTIN TonyOmega Pharma - Quick-Step 35:05
2 QUINTANA NairoMovistar Team 0:17
3 INTXAUSTI BeñatMovistar Team 0:32
4 PORTE RichieSky Procycling 0:40
5 ŠPILAK SimonTeam Katusha 0:48

Last year's PN

1 PORTE RichieSky Procycling 19:16
2 TALANSKY AndrewGarmin Sharp 0:23
3 QUINTANA NairoMovistar Team 0:27
4 PERAUD Jean-ChristopheAG2R La Mondiale 0:32
5 VAN GARDEREN TejayBMC Racing Team 0:52

So where does exactly fit this Saramontis among these?

Maybe you should compare the profiles of these races to today first before trying to make whatever point you are trying to make?

 

[Taxus4a]

This chrono by Quintana didnt amaze me, I told about the reasons already, if you see Contador, he has similar thypology, he is not heavy, and he won Tony Martin and another especialist, a similar ITT, prologue, in Dauphiné or Paris Niza, I dont remember...

To say Saramotins, that have won Quintana, is much heavier...and?' I am more heavy as well than Quintana and that dont make me beate him,

If you tell me the ITT is a straigh downhill, well, 15 kilos more, is really definitive, but not this, Quintana has just showed that he is not so good in ITT as another big names, but of course, he has improved, his position was impressive, he was in the wind tunnel this year

 

[Taxus4a]

Maybe you should compare the profiles of these races to today first before trying to make whatever point you are trying to make?

Diferent ITT profile, not a big difference but different.

You must take into account that an ITT at the end of a Vuelta is not just a question of how good are you in ITT, but about the strengh you keep.. and Quintana that Pais vasco didnt attacked, he was always saving power for last ITT.

It was an ITT for climbers, and he lost quite time on the flat sections.

 

[Rollthedice]

Maybe you should compare the profiles of these races to today first before trying to make whatever point you are trying to make?

Point is Quintana can time trial with the big ones and speaking of profiles in TA this year he did a good TT also, jens_attacks there he had over 50km/h, in Vasco 2013 different profile distance and average speed.

 

[Taxus4a]

Point is Quintana can time trial with the big ones and speaking of profiles in TA this year he did a good TT also, jens_attacks there he had over 50km/h, in Vasco 2013 different profile distance and average speed.

Any pro rider could go at 60 km/h for 1 km plain without wind. In a 12 km ITT almost plane, with little wind, it is not so impressive nowadays, techology has improved a lot.

 

[Escarabajo]

Defensive much?

Saramotins is 15+ kg heavier. Do the math how ridiculous Quintana's performance was.

Same as Moreno's right? and he is not even the best TT.

This is a short TT. Even if it is flattish it still fits the riders of high VO2 max. In the long ones, he is going to loose more time to better TT's than the ones we have here. I warranty that. But not that much though since he is a very good Time Trialist and he has one of the best aerobic conditions. Regardless of weight he should be decent on flat Time Trials.

Having said that, and since you don't know much about Quintana, who the hell is Saramotins? this is the first time that I notice him, excuse my ignorance. Is he better than Martin, Froome or Wiggins? Am I to expect the same TT from him soon?