Roger De Vlaeminck? Retired over 35 years ago but whatever he says is still reported on and discussed. And the more over-the-top the better!
Mario Cipollini for somewhat similar reasons.
Mario Cipollini for somewhat similar reasons.
This is the issue with adding "cycling heroes". I'm not against it, but if you add Sagan & Cancellara, you have to add Boonen too. If you add Merckx & Hinault, you have to add Gimondi too. If you add Vos and Van Vleuten, then surely the list should include Longo as well?
Cancellara is still involved in the sport. I was debating about Cancellara and Boonen together due to their rivalry.
I put Sagan on the list more because I think he has brought new fans into the sport. The question is how many will stay.
I think that rivalry-aspect is indeed important when it comes to riders. A lot of athletes (also in other sports) have attracted fans not so much as single individuals but rather as part of a duo-narrative.
The point about Sagan is also spot on I think.
But in general it seems indeed tough to decide which of the many riders that have attracted spectators and children to the sport should really be on such a list. I would not include those that have mostly been influential in that regard, but only those who have really changed the perception of the sport.
You think Boonen didn't inspire a lot of young cyclists? These guys were in turn inspired by other (actual or so called) heroes. It's a cascading effect.Cancellara is still involved in the sport. I was debating about Cancellara and Boonen together due to their rivalry.
I put Sagan on the list more because I think he has brought new fans into the sport. The question is how many will stay.
Including Indurain is because he did have a lot of influence on the Contador/Valverde generation of Spanish cyclists.
You think Boonen didn't inspire a lot of young cyclists? These guys were in turn inspired by other (actual or so called) heroes. It's a cascading effect.
I also don't understand that Adri van der Poel wasn't on the list for instance. Not only was he a successful classics rider, not only is he the dad of "some dude", but he also was WC in cyclocross and still holds an important position at the UCI for CX if i'm not mistaking.
I agree with many points, Libertine, but being a "hotbed" isn't something that is sparked once and remains forever some sort of perpetuum mobile. Every generation needs their own heroes. Kids these days, even in Belgium, don't start cycling because Merckx was king in 1969. But the generation that is now moving through the U23 will have started because of Boonen, more likely. Kids today, in Belgium, will look up to Van Aert, Evenepoel, less so to Gilbert & Van Avermaet. Once you have a generation without a strong figure, you will get a next generation that is a lot more sparse. Hence, statistically even less chance for a next pivotal figure to emerge in such a generation, and things spiral downwards fast. In a niche sport like Cyclocross, this is even more apparent. Before Nys, Belgian CX was almost dead and buried, now we have the best generation of in Belgium born & living CX riders ever. (Ha!) On the other hand, there are countries that were once prolific CX nations, but have lost interest because they lost a generation along the way.
Yea, but at the time of Merckx, there were a number of other Belgian stars who would have had better results had Merckx not been there dominating things. Spain had literally just had Delgado, Lejarreta was still around, Cubino, Echave, Jesús Montoya, Íñaki Gastón. Indurain was also from that northern line of regions which have always been the cradle of cycling in Spain. He had more of an influence in the type of rider that Spain was producing than anything else, because until then Spain's biggest names had always been inconsistent climber types, from Trueba to Loroño and Bahamontes to Ocaña and Fuente to Ángel Arroyo and Alberto Fernández to Delgado. You also had CLAS merging with Mapei and ONCE coming into the game at the time. The Vuelta had really asserted itself and developed into a real Grand Tour and had developed the kind of national significance it had struggled to assert in earlier times, with Franco's Spain lagging behind the rest of cycling's traditional countries development-wise and its national tour therefore often deliberately tailoring itself toward overseas stars and away from the home stars to shore up the startlist - with better broadcasting, the development of the skiing industry and Unipublic's nous in taking it over after El Correo-El Pueblo Vasco had to withdraw when the terrorist threats meant their home region had to come off the menu, the Vuelta had really improved in the public conscience. In addition, as the Spanish domestic péloton grew in maturity, tactical awareness and depth, the role that they had traditionally fulfilled at the Giro and Tour was being passed over to the Colombians as they made their first forays into European stage racing, and a lot of funding was being thrown towards sporting developments to lead in to the Barcelona Olympics in 1992. There were a lot of factors that led to a rapid development of the sport in Spain from the late 70s through to the late 90s that mean that while the success and popularity of Indurain was definitely a factor in inspiring the next generation, I simultaneously would argue that it's difficult to argue that Spanish cycling would have been thrust back into its wilderness years in the late 90s-early 00s and the prospect pool dried up if everything happened exactly as it had but Indurain didn't exist. We might have seen a few fewer Spanish teams across that period, but then there were literally enough Spanish teams at that point that they could have held a pretty reasonable Vuelta if there had been a Covid-19 epidemic back then and they were restricted to whoever was on site in the national péloton like it was the HTV Cup. Remember, immediately following Indurain's generation you had that batch of contenders in the Indurain mould, like Olano, Casero and Terminaitor, but even before the 90s were over you had José María Jiménez and Roberto Heras on the scene, two traditional waifish climbers of the classic Spanish tradition - and both from the Sistema Central rather than the strong mountainous scenes of the north and east, too.I agree with many points, Libertine, but being a "hotbed" isn't something that is sparked once and remains forever some sort of perpetuum mobile. Every generation needs their own heroes. Kids these days, even in Belgium, don't start cycling because Merckx was king in 1969. But the generation that is now moving through the U23 will have started because of Boonen, more likely. Kids today, in Belgium, will look up to Van Aert, Evenepoel, less so to Gilbert & Van Avermaet. Once you have a generation without a strong figure, you will get a next generation that is a lot more sparse. Hence, statistically even less chance for a next pivotal figure to emerge in such a generation, and things spiral downwards fast. In a niche sport like Cyclocross, this is even more apparent. Before Nys, Belgian CX was almost dead and buried, now we have the best generation of in Belgium born & living CX riders ever. (Ha!) On the other hand, there are countries that were once prolific CX nations, but have lost interest because they lost a generation along the way.
IMO: there should be a list for racers, a list for team ownership/management, and a list for other (promoters, media, pioneers, etc.).
O/M: Unzue, LeFlaves (I know),
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My most obvious additions to the list would be:
Dave Brailsford: The world laughed at the stated aim to win the Tour de France within 5 years with a British rider. The team he formed has since won 7 of the 10 editions since the team was formed. Plus the lead guy behind the domination of Olympic Track Cycling.
Eusebio Unzue: The preeminent figure in the Spanish cycling scene for as long as anyone can remember. His teams have been a Central part of the story of cycling in the last 40 years.
Patrick Lefevre: No DS has successfully kept letting riders go off to earn big money while replacing them to even greater effect so often.
Mario Cipollini: For the way his success and ego enabled him to push for entire teams to be built around him. The lead out man was not a specialist position up until that point but now almost every decent sprinter of the last 25 years has had a lead out man closely associated with them.
Pati is his brah!I know him! The rapper from Public Enemy.
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Well... not personally.
I flirted with the idea of giving you credit but it'd ruin my flashy joke.Do I count for nobody?![]()
I'm glad Bartali is not on the same list as Bahrain prince tbh, would be a disrespect for Bartali given that the Bahrain dictatorship is a big example of fascism.I flirted with the idea of giving you credit but it'd ruin my flashy joke.
Can dead people still be influential? Gino Bartali has left a tremendous legacy, not just for his cycling feats, but for his political and civic engagement too. Anti-fascism never dies.
Ooops, my fault for reading the article a few days ago then coming back to comment on it yesterday without rechecking the listBrailsford was fourth on the original list.