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70% of Podium Riders Since 2008 Clean
- Thread starter armchairclimber
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Assumes he means the Tour?
Not sure where the 70% comes from though, only Big Schleck and Contador have tested positive. Would be more like 85%.
Contador 2009.
Armstrong 2009.
Contador 2010.
Contador 2011.
73%
Maybe that's what he means. Oops, and Kohl.
67%
Not sure where the 70% comes from though, only Big Schleck and Contador have tested positive. Would be more like 85%.
Contador 2009.
Armstrong 2009.
Contador 2010.
Contador 2011.
73%
Maybe that's what he means. Oops, and Kohl.
67%
armchairclimber said:
Obviously he just guesstimates. I doubt that he made specific calculation, he just wanted to give general estimation/personal opinion.
armchairclimber said:According to Michael Ashenden. Good news that. Not good enough, but encouraging.
So 30% are cheating. Not quite consistent with the UCI claim:
"Once a rider is included in the biological passport program, it will become impossible for him to escape detection if he uses blood or steroid manipulations to enhance performance.
We are closing the gap on cheaters. Those who dope will be caught. "
Oops...
So the same guy who is claiming cycling is still in the dark era is now claiming 70% of podium finishers are clean. Sounds more like the sunrise era considering it was recently 100% of podium finishers who were doping.
How is Benotti gonna deal with this?
How is Benotti gonna deal with this?
Is this the source?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/ot...tion-in-face-of-Lance-Armstrong-fall-out.html
Seems like he's saying 1/3 are tainted, not that 2/3 are clean
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/ot...tion-in-face-of-Lance-Armstrong-fall-out.html
Seems like he's saying 1/3 are tainted, not that 2/3 are clean
biker jk said:
Well, unless we decide not to actually perform tests on those riders who are high on the suspicion index. You know, like in the 2010 Tour.
"...From what the IO Team observed on the Tour, the ABP could have an even more significant impact on the execution of the UCI’s anti-doping programme, if used to greater effect...
...During the Tour, a number of riders demonstrating suspicious profiles and/or showing significantly impressive performances at the Tour were tested on surprisingly few occasions and for three riders of interest did not provide a blood sample for the purposes of anti-doping in the whole Tour..."
Nothing to see here... move along... no doping in cycling...
Dave.
armchairclimber said:According to Michael Ashenden. Good news that. Not good enough, but encouraging.
THUMBS UP!
William H said:
That is not where I originally read it - but it is pretty much the same article. My link below is to the article on Velonation.
Technically, you are correct. But Ashenden is putting a negative spin on it. Which is not a bad thing, since he (and we) still feel the UCI needs a good deal of prodding to move in a positive direction. But the obvious "on the other hand" is that if Ashenden is pointing out that 30% doped, then that leaves 70%. Since Ashenden has not been one to keep quiet about his findings and suspicions, then it is not unreasonable to say 70% clean.
In the article, Ashenden is also quite open about his thinking on the end of the "Dark Era" - and the hope for the future:
“Certainly it is a defining moment for cycling. Whether it marks the start of a truly new era or just another false dawn like 1999 remains to be seen. My optimism tracks the likelihood of a truth and reconciliation process,” he explained.
Ashenden also states, quite clearly, that he believes there are still people in cycling who are JUST AS BAD AS ARMSTRONG. In the article, Ashenden is openly critical of the UCI today, but he also offers clear suggestions and path to improve. Added reason for optimism is that this time we do not have one or two voices speaking out to reform the methods of anti-doping, and the culture that allows it. We have big voices saying the same thing.
Perhaps in a year, I will throw up my hands in disgust, but today, I am hopeful, and optimistic!
This is most definitely saying 30% are dirty not 70% are clean. We're all adults here, we know full well that non-positive is not negative. Thread title is clearly an attempt to twist the facts to suit the OP's line.
Ashenden's figures are vague and we don't even know which races he's talking about. However, if you take them at face value then 30% dirty means 70% clean. And yes, that's absolutely what it means.
If you are going to use the 30% figure to draw negative conclusions then you have to accept that it's perfectly legitimate to use the 70% more optimistically.
Sorry I forgot to link the Guardian article in the OP.
If you are going to use the 30% figure to draw negative conclusions then you have to accept that it's perfectly legitimate to use the 70% more optimistically.
Sorry I forgot to link the Guardian article in the OP.
Why take them at face value?
It's obvious that both the 70% for period 1 and 30% for period 2 are both incorrect.
It's obvious that both the 70% for period 1 and 30% for period 2 are both incorrect.
There have been a lot of people drawing conclusions from Michael Ashenden quotes recently (hello Benotti), I was just joining in.
Bull****.
Pellizotti tainted, fact.
Ricco tainted, fact
Di Luca tainted, fact
Kohl tainted, fact
Mosquera tainted, fact
Not to mention Schleck, Armstrong, (possibly) Leipheimer and potentially Menchov and a previous cheat like Valverde
It's not negative conclusions, it's the ****ing reality.
Pellizotti tainted, fact.
Ricco tainted, fact
Di Luca tainted, fact
Kohl tainted, fact
Mosquera tainted, fact
Not to mention Schleck, Armstrong, (possibly) Leipheimer and potentially Menchov and a previous cheat like Valverde
It's not negative conclusions, it's the ****ing reality.
roundabout said:
I agree, 30% tainted is pretty crap but, glass half full and all that...70% clean is good news. Onwards and upwards. Get rid of Contador and a few of the other cheats and we might get near to 90%.
You need to chill out a bit though, you'll make yourself ill.
roundabout said:
I think he is another one of those sky fanboy who is an "expert" in cycling and terribly smug..
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