A Spade is a Spade.

[TubularBills]

A Spade is a Spade.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam's_razor

Occam's Razor.

The simplest explanation.

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[MarkvW]

. . . And a tautology is a tautology . . .

I love that one!

 

[Tinman]

Thanks for the reminder on the big picture. Too much crap here that clogs the threads and keeps new clinic members and the broader cycling fan base from getting to the relevant content, obstructing good discussion and spreading the message wider...

 

[JRTinMA]

A Spade is a Spade.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam's_razor

Occam's Razor.

The simplest explanation.

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Really. What a bigoted title. Accident or intentional?

 

[ultimobici]

Really. What a bigoted title. Accident or intentional?

How so? Check the origins and dating of the expression before displaying your lack of knowledge of the English language please.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/To_call_a_spade_a_spade

The phrase was introduced to English in 1542 in Nicolas Udall's translation of Erasmus, Apophthegmes, that is to saie, prompte saiynges. First gathered by Erasmus:
Philippus aunswered, that the Macedonians wer feloes of no fyne witte in their termes but altogether grosse, clubbyshe, and rusticall, as they whiche had not the witte to calle a spade by any other name then a spade.
It is evident that the word spade refers to the instrument used to move earth, a very common tool. The same word was used in England and in Holland, Erasmus' country of origin.
The Oxford English Dictionary records a more forceful variant, "to call a spade a bloody shovel", attested since 1919.
The phrase predates the use of the word "spade" as an ethnic slur against African Americans, which was not recorded until 1928; however, in contemporary U.S. society, the idiom is often avoided due to potential confusion with the slur[1] and/or confusion with playing card references such as "black as the ace of spades".

 

[TexPat]

Really. What a bigoted title. Accident or intentional?

Has nothing to do with what you think. I've heard this before.
The phrase pre-dates the American racial slur by roughly 2000 years.

Love the knee-jerk responses.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

A Spade is a Spade.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam's_razor

Occam's Razor.

The simplest explanation.

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Agreed. And when the pattern is revealed, through books like "The Secret Race", all the pieces of the jigsaw come together. It looks so obvious when the present echoes so closely what has recently come to pass.

 

[Tinman]

Has nothing to do with what you think.

Love the knee-jerk responses.

Hah! so tell us what you think, but no knee jerk please!

 

[TexPat]

Hah! so tell us what you think, but no knee jerk please!

JrtinMA's misinterpretation of the phrase. Nonsense which will likely derail this thread. Actually, my response may do the same.

Down we go.

Assumption may (or may not) be the mother of all stuff-ups. Occam's Razor.

 

[Tinman]

I'm with you Tex.

After 2 months here I have come to conclude there are those who try to have a reasonable debate (ok some go overboard in their expressions and personalizations) and those who routinely try to derail.

Recent posts by Red_Flanders invite reporting of the latter type. I will certainly start doing so as the issues discussed here are important for cycling and sport in general, too imptt to have derailed...

By the way I do support Occam with regard to pro cycling over the past 15 or so years (hence my post). And I try to ignore those who I don't feel contribute...

And good for you chosing to live in NZ, best place on the planet...

 

[python]

Has nothing to do with what you think. I've heard this before.
The phrase pre-dates the American racial slur by roughly 2000 years.

Love the knee-jerk responses.

of all the poster around, you know who was being 'classy' to you. ..and how bigots are created. cheers, mike.

 

[piemonster]

A Spade

Yep, that's defo a Spade

 

[taiwan]

A Spade is a Spade.

...is the sentiment that needs to be kept in the "Wigans goes there" thread. There's a lot of tl:dr stuff, physiology papers and letters after names being thrown around, but when it eventually comes out that Wiggins did it the old way, as it quite likely will, all that text will be redundant. Unless you're at uni doing a sports science project.

Fortunately misinterpretation of the title will not be an issue, due to the homogeneous demographics of the pro peloton. The duck checklist works equally well though.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

...is the sentiment that needs to be kept in the "Wigans goes there" thread. There's a lot of tl:dr stuff, physiology papers and letters after names being thrown around, but when it eventually comes out that Wiggins did it the old way, as it quite likely will, all that text will be redundant. Unless you're at uni doing a sports science project.

Fortunately misinterpretation of the title will not be an issue, due to the homogeneous demographics of the pro peloton. The duck checklist works equally well though.

Finished Kimmage's book on the way home today. Bad Blood is next. Kimmage's book was a good example of a pattern Wiggo has been subjected to: average fish look very big in small ponds.

Kimmage then hinted at things he had heard during his time as a pro. The one that stood out for me was: some GT leaders were assured of never testing positive by the race organiser.

It's a dirty spade, and it's covered in dirt.

 

[Master50]

A Spade

Yep, that's defo a Spade

Good thing for the curve at the business end or it would be a shovel.