A Theory regarding the huge influx of "EPO" Positives...

[Deadlift]

I do not believe Armstrong or Contador are doping illegally, nor do they require such methods (when there are supplementary alternatives out there for riders to abuse all within WADA regulations). Are you listening Greg Lemond? Get off EPO's sack & start looking at the bigger picture, its not all that.

Now...

Here is a theory (& could I please have some confirmation) with regards to the huge influx of positives we have seen in the past year from riders pleading there innocence of not taking EPO & Its far overrated effects on athletic performance.

Think about this... Could it be possible that all the advanced supplementary alternatives on the market today (all within WADA regulations) is having an effect at playing a large role in producing artificial EPO naturally within the body to the amounts the UCI see unsatisfactory???... It could be possible with a chemical reaction Right???.

I actually believe alot of the innocent plea's riders make when testing positive for EPO, but I also at the same time believe they have taken something, maybe an advanced blend of a creatine supplement, that has encouraged the body to produce EPO in the body to unsatisfactory amounts.

Maybe what we are seeing is an artificial/exogenous supplement taken to enhance performance, chemically reacting with the EPO naturally made in the body & producing artificial EPO???...

I think this theory is much sounder than many. Please discuss.
_____________________________________________
Doping can't win you a Tour De France... Its not the Holy Grail to athletic performance....

 

[Anonymous]

Familiarize yourself with the concept of Occam's Razor: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam's_razor

My theory is that they were using EPO. See how much shorter that was?

 

[Anonymous]

Do you have one shred of evidence to support your theory?

 

[issoisso]

The WADA has already answered this recent influx of positives since late April.......it's when a new, more accurate version of the test was implemented.

Also, the influx of black market EPO advertised as "cutting edge stuff" has led to riders taking it believing they're taking 3rd generation EPO when it's the old 1st generation recombinant EPO. Basically the cheaters are being cheated.

 

[Deadlift]

There is no evidence. I'm not talking about "black market EPO", BUT I do believe advanced supplementary alternatives could play A LARGE role in producing EPO naturally within the body to levels which would impose a ban.
_____________________________________________
Doping can't win you a Tour De France... Its not the Holy Grail to athletic performance....

 

[issoisso]

There is no evidence. I'm not talking about "black market EPO", BUT I do believe advanced supplementary alternatives could play A LARGE role in producing EPO within the body to levels which would impose a ban.

EPO positives are not based on EPO levels within the body.

You can have 3 liters of EPO in your body. You'll die but you wont' test positive. A positive is triggered by the detection of non-human EPO in your urine/blood.

 

[Anonymous]

There is no evidence. I'm not talking about "black market EPO", BUT I do believe advanced supplementary alternatives could play A LARGE role in producing EPO within the body to levels which would impose a ban.

Based on what?

 

[red_flanders]

There is no evidence.

I guess we're done with this line of discussion then?

 

[hfer07]

I just read and article in Pro-Cycling magazine about this topic. the reason behind the latest cheaters being caught for EPO, is because of their believe of being able to pass the tests with Bio similar EPO (Dynepo & others) and/or EPO formula(s) created with a different molecular structure. According to the article, WADA has taken the proper measurements in developing the adequate test to detect/determine which one is naturally produced & which one is artificial/exogenous, regardless the nature of it.

 

[Deadlift]

Familiarize yourself with the concept of Occam's Razor: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam's_razor

My theory is that they were using EPO. See how much shorter that was?

Ignorant Pig. Start opening your mind.
_____________________________________________
Doping can't win you a Tour De France... Its not the Holy Grail to athletic performance....

 

[red_flanders]

Ignorant pig. Start opening your mind.

I'm no moderator, but if you must attack something, it would be nice if you could attack the content of the post, not the poster.

It's going to be difficult to open one's mind to a theory which has no evidence to support it. Calling people names isn't going to change that.

 

[Deadlift]

According to the article, WADA has taken the proper measurements in developing the adequate test to detect/determine which one is naturally produced & which one is artificial/exogenous, regardless the nature of it.

No, what I'm trying to get at is. The artificial/exogenous supplements riders are taking within WADA regulation, is a factor in producing EPO naturally in the body which could result in a positive.
_____________________________________________
Doping can't win you a Tour De France... Its not the Holy Grail to athletic performance....

 

[Ripper]

No, what I'm trying to get at is. The artificial/exogenous supplements riders are taking within WADA regulation, is a factor in producing EPO naturally in the body which could result in a positive.

EPO positives are not due to "producing EPO naturally in the body which could result in a positive". The EPO being detected is purely from outside the body - i.e. taken to enhance performance.

BTW - please name all these WADA legal substances that are so effective.

 

[Mellow Velo]

Ignorant pig. Start opening your mind.

Oh dear......



t'aint au naturel.........

 

[Deadlift]

I'm no moderator, but if you must attack something, it would be nice if you could attack the content of the post, not the poster.

It's going to be difficult to open one's mind to a theory which has no evidence to support it. Calling people names isn't going to change that.

I did attack the content. The content was ignorance.
_____________________________________________
Doping can't win you a Tour De France... Its not the Holy Grail to athletic performance....

 

[Anonymous]

I did attack the content. The content was ignorance.

 

[Deadlift]

The EPO being detected is purely from outside the body - i.e. taken to enhance performance.

Maybe in the form of a artificial/exogenous supplement taken to enhance performance not necessarily EPO??..
_____________________________________________
Doping can't win you a Tour De France... Its not the Holy Grail to athletic performance....

 

[Ripper]

Maybe in the form of a artificial/exogenous supplement taken to enhance performance not necessarily EPO??..

It's exogenous EPO. A supplement or method that increases natural EPO would not result in a positive. This is part of why blood doping is hard to detect and why altitude training can still have impact on natural levels of EPO.

 

[red_explosions]

I do not believe Armstrong or Contador are doping illegally, nor do they require such methods (when there are supplementary alternatives out there for riders to abuse all within WADA regulations). Are you listening Greg Lemond? Get off EPO's sack & start looking at the bigger picture, its not all that.

Now...

Here is a theory (& could I please have some confirmation) with regards to the huge influx of positives we have seen in the past year from riders pleading there innocence of not taking EPO & Its far overrated effects on athletic performance.

Think about this... Could it be possible that all the advanced supplementary alternatives on the market today (all within WADA regulations) is having an effect at playing a large role in producing EPO naturally within the body to the amounts the UCI see unsatisfactory???... It could be possible.

I actually believe alot of the innocent plea's riders make when testing positive for EPO, but I also at the same time believe they have taken something, maybe an advanced blend of a creatine supplement, that has encouraged the body to produce EPO in the body to unsatisfactory amounts.

I think this theory is much sounder than many. Please discuss.

Your theory is not sound. On the one hand you state that EPO has a far overrated effect on athletic performance. On the other you state cyclists are enacting strategies in order to produce extra EPO within their bodies. If the former is true, why go to such lengths with the latter?

 

[Anonymous]

Ignorant pig. Start opening your mind.

Ooh, this one bites. You like pigs, don't you?

I sense the force is weak with this one...

 

[issoisso]

EPO positives are not due to "producing EPO naturally in the body which could result in a positive". The EPO being detected is purely from outside the body - i.e. taken to enhance performance.

BTW - please name all these WADA legal substances that are so effective.

Don't bother with him. Notice how he completely ignores the posts that are too solid for him to troll.

 

[Hugh Januss]

I do not believe Armstrong or Contador are doping illegally, nor do they require such methods (when there are supplementary alternatives out there for riders to abuse all within WADA regulations). Are you listening Greg Lemond? Get off EPO's sack & start looking at the bigger picture, its not all that.

Now...

Here is a theory (& could I please have some confirmation) with regards to the huge influx of positives we have seen in the past year from riders pleading there innocence of not taking EPO & Its far overrated effects on athletic performance.

Think about this... Could it be possible that all the advanced supplementary alternatives on the market today (all within WADA regulations) is having an effect at playing a large role in producing EPO naturally within the body to the amounts the UCI see unsatisfactory???... It could be possible.

I actually believe alot of the innocent plea's riders make when testing positive for EPO, but I also at the same time believe they have taken something, maybe an advanced blend of a creatine supplement, that has encouraged the body to produce EPO in the body to unsatisfactory amounts.

I think this theory is much sounder than many. Please discuss.

(Just a little trolling)

 

[Willy_Voet]

Maybe in the form of a artificial/exogenous supplement taken to enhance performance not necessarily EPO??..

You're either a trolling moron or don't really understand the biochemical pathways you're hoping will explain away exogeneous EPO.

 

[Deadlift]

Your theory is not sound. On the one hand you state that EPO has a far overrated effect on athletic performance. On the other you state cyclists are enacting strategies in order to produce extra EPO within their bodies. If the former is true, why go to such lengths with the latter?

No.

Yes, I do believe EPO has a far overrated effect on athletic performance but I'm in no way stating that professional riders are "purposely" enacting strategies in order to produce extra EPO within their bodies, but are taking an artificial/exogenous supplement unknowingly to them that is producing an unfavourable amount of the overrated substance.
_____________________________________________
Doping can't win you a Tour De France... Its not the Holy Grail to athletic performance....

 

[RTMcFadden]

Ignorant pig. Start opening your mind.

LOL. The first thing you need to understand about Occam's Razor is that it proves nothing. The second thing you need to understand about Occam's Razor is that there is nothing else to understand about Occam's Razor.