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Acquarone v. Zomegnan

Nov 14, 2009
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So the first Giro has ended under the new era of Michele Acquarone. It can be described as a fairly defensive and boring Giro. With a surprise winner and a surprise 3rd place finisher what will Acquarone have to do different next to year to make it more attractive?

Of course it is the riders who make the Giro but were the stages just too dull?

2010 Giro was amazing. People will not forget that one soon. The 2011 edition was too hard according to the riders. It was overshadowed by the death of Weylandt and by the dominant display of Contador, who should not have been allowed to start. The riders were fighting for 2nd place since Contador was above everyone else

But the 2012 edition offered something new. The start in Denmark was nice, I enjoyed it. How ever the thing people will continue to debate about is the wild cards. The italian wild card teams animated the race and delivered some stage wins, but was Net App's inclusion over Acqua & Sapone a good outcome? In my opinion A&S should have been there. But stages 19 and 20 were definitely worth watching.

Then the situation of bonus seconds come into play. In 2011 under Zomegnan all stages, excluding TT's, had bonus seconds. But 2012 the mountain top finishes did not offer bonus seconds. In my opinion either all or none of the stages should have them. The outcome could have been different with mountain top finish bonus seconds because the riders could have animated the race a little more knowing that they could gain more time. But Hesjedal was a deserving winner nonetheless.

What are your thoughts and conclusions about Acquarone's first Giro? Zomegnan will be missed but can Acquarone come up with a better, more spectacular edition next year?
 
Mar 18, 2009
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We need far more TT kms, and all of them before the mountains.
That way people have to attack.

As proven by the GTs of the last few years, with few exceptions (2010 Giro), less TT kms means nobody attacks because they're close on GC and have too much to lose, so they stick together and *****foot around making weak probing attacks every once in a while

That's one thing. The other is having a stage so hard it scares everyone, on the final weekend. That tends to cause stilted racing as everyone is scared of being too tired by then so they save energy.
 
As others say, Giro needs far more tt. Definately replace ttt with a legitimate time trial.

Im also beginning to think that Giros that start italy in the north or hit the north of italy from europe, which is most of them, should try and hit a supergiro mtf on stage 4 or 5, before going south and coming back up for the 3rd week.
 
The Queen stage(s) shouldn't be at the last week mostly, everyone feared them this year and rode conservatively as they are scared to crack in these stages.
And a ITT (flat or mountain, both are ok to me) in 2nd week could open the race and provoke more attacks imo
 
Mar 19, 2009
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I dont agree with more tts they are the only thing that makes a big difference in times nowadays, the amount of time trials in this giro was perfect I think too much will make it a time triallers race which will not be good.
 
palmerq said:
I dont agree with more tts they are the only thing that makes a big difference in times nowadays, the amount of time trials in this giro was perfect I think too much will make it a time triallers race which will not be good.
The idea is to force the climbers to attack. The course of this Giro was tough enough to make up for 130 ITT kms easily.
 
palmerq said:
I dont agree with more tts they are the only thing that makes a big difference in times nowadays, the amount of time trials in this giro was perfect I think too much will make it a time triallers race which will not be good.

couldn't disagree more

hrotha said:
The idea is to force the climbers to attack. The course of this Giro was tough enough to make up for 130 ITT kms easily.

^^that, this giro had 3 stages asking for attacks from far out to make up lost time. problem is no time had been lost when they reached them
 

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With big guns like these, extra ITT kms won't change anything. I hope RCS will make up something radical to shake this backwater. I would exclude the Dolomities for a year just for the experiment. The riders didn't conquer the climbs this year. The climbs killed the riders.
 
Mar 19, 2009
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hrotha said:
The idea is to force the climbers to attack. The course of this Giro was tough enough to make up for 130 ITT kms easily.

climbers are losing even with this amount of time trials :S they just dont have teh strength to attack in my opinion .. well we will see at the tour this year many time trial kilometers there
 
long itt before the mountains...

make a deal with the teams and split the money with them for the show...promise them more money if they attack before the 2 km banner.the team with the most entertaining stuff and tv time gets more money.
dull racing should never come back in il giro.
 
Jan 22, 2011
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Add another mountain ITT. Have a longer flat ITT (40km is perfect, IMHO). Keep the TTT.

Don't have 3 crazy mountain stages one after another, as nobody attacks the first two stages for the fear of blowing up the next stage. 2 stages back-to-back are OK to test recovery. Have 2 back-to-backs in the first half, 2 towards the end, this way you have more separation between the riders going into second week
 
palmerq said:
climbers are losing even with this amount of time trials :S they just dont have teh strength to attack in my opinion ..
Are the climbers really losing, though?
2012 - Hesjedal
2011 - Contador/Scarponi - Evans - Cobo
2010 - Basso - Contador/Andy - Nibali
2009 - Menchov - Contador - Valverde
2008 - Contador - Sastre - Contador
2007 - Di Luca - Contador - Menchov

Plenty of non-time trialers in that list.

Of course the climbers have the strength to launch long-range attacks. Remember the non-climbers will have to follow them, so they won't be spending any less energy.
 
jens_attacks said:
long itt before the mountains...

make a deal with the teams and split the money with them for the show...promise them more money if they attack before the 2 km banner.the team with the most entertaining stuff and tv time gets more money.
dull racing should never come back in il giro.

Yess zirrrr.
 
The start in Denmark was awful. Two road stages, two sprints that were marred by pileups. But that's Zomegnan's fault, not Acquarone's.

The course needed at least one of the worthless flat stages to be replaced by a 40-50km ITT in week 2, meaning there were gaps to heal in the mountains.

The Cervinia stage was super tame. Needed Tze Core instead of Joux at least.

Stage 6 was ridiculous. How can you ride Montelupone without using Il Muro?

The course was far too backloaded. Everybody sat around waiting for the last couple of stages because they were scared of expending too much energy too early... and then they got to those stages and sat around.

I think 2004 was Zomegnan's first route though. He learnt from his mistakes, hopefully Acquarone can.

The Giro is not meant to be the Tour, so don't try to make it like it. The riders certainly tried to. Prevent them. I'm not saying we need 8 MTFs like the 2011 route or something, but the super steep, difficult climbs are one of the things the Giro can do in spades, so why play safe?

The Falzes stage was one of the worst misuses of terrain I think I've ever seen. Angelo might have created stupidly unbalanced courses (what was all that nonsense about this being a more balanced course at the start? The ITT was equally maligned as usual, it's just we had crappier mountain stages) but to him, if the riders weren't going to attack, he'd make sure the mountains were hard enough gaps would be created anyway.

This was an awful race. Only part of that can be laid at Acquarone's feet, but we can't judge him fairly from one race. It's what he learns from how this one turned out that we find out what he's made of as an organiser.
 
Its not just the number of the ITTs but what stage they are on. Never liked the ITT being right at the end of a GT. One in the first week and one at the start of the third week would be perfect.
 
Apr 14, 2011
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Difficult to judge, as I believe much of this route was in place before Acquarone took over. Also, I don't think he is as involved in route design as Zomegnan was.

As to improving the Giro, I agree that a TT before the mountains is essential. I'd also like to see a more GC relevant dirt roads stage. The hardest mountain stage should be on the penultimate weekend rather than left to the end in an attempt to engineer a spectacular climax, and there should be a decent mountain stage on the first weekend.
 
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The addition of the TT early may have made the results more of a forgone conclusion. Ryder might have gone into a the final day with a 30sec-1min lead.

It would have been interesting to have one more short, steep, hill town finish in the first week
 
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Fetisoff said:
..... Have a longer flat ITT (40km is perfect, IMHO). Keep the TTT.

Don't have 3 crazy mountain stages one after another, as nobody attacks the first two stages for the fear of blowing up the next stage. 2 stages back-to-back are OK to test recovery. Have 2 back-to-backs in the first half, 2 towards the end, this way you have more separation between the riders going into second week

+1111

with zome too much and too long transfer, good that aquarone stopped this

very bad choice from aqua: met app.luckily he was forced to invite farnese, androni and colnago that performed very well and better than many WT teams
imagine if aqua was allowed to invite champion and type1 as he desired: what a disaster!!!
 
Acquarone did OK-not great-but being his first Giro, is fair to say it was a good edition, considering the Legacy that Zomegnan left.
As some folks previously stated, I would have liked another ITT- perhaps the usual Mountain ITT-and definitely less flat stages. The big stages at the end didn't bother me at all, but the fact that those key stages were piled together without an important mountain stage "in the middle or in the first week" did hurt the overall race rate.

a 7 out of 10