Alberto contador doped or clear

[Denkoff]

Alberto contador doped or clear

 

[erader]

how about doped and clear (sic)?

erader

 

[Anonymous]

How about this gets moved to the clinic as its not a yes or no answer anyway. and Im not answering and getting an infraction for discussing doping outside of the clinic

 

[hughmoore]

Isnt everyone doping except Lance & Evans



Hugh

 

[Wallace]

Alberto contador doped or clear

From what I remember of the The Invisible Man, he had to take drugs to become completely transparent, so I don't see any opposition between your two choices. Alberto Contador does seem to be completely visible however much he might wish he could disappear--if you have some evidence that he has recently acquired the ability to become invisible, I'd like to see it, because that would be awesome.

I hope this is what you meant, because if this is just another "did AC dope or not" thread, that would be really boring.

 

[auscyclefan94]

Isnt everyone doping except Evans?



Hugh

Edited

 

[hrotha]

Edited

But ACF, there's plenty of non-Evans BMC riders!

 

[Hugh Januss]

Do we really need another stupid thread where we pretend that there is a snowballs chance in hell that anybody in the top twenty (at least) of any grand tour is able to do it without dope?

 

[Berzin]

I'm in the process of watching all seven "Cyclism" tours. To say some of these guys were on dope seems funny in retrospect in comparison to Armstrong.

The more I watch these videos the more I laugh. If these other guys were doped, they spent way too much money and got way too little in return for their doping programs.

 

[The Hitch]

I will remind posters that the denkoff has previously been responsible for threads such as

"Contador doping thread"

"EPO- yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeessssss",

"Best climber without Contador" poll where the options were Rodriguez and LLS,

and best of all

"Vino is gay".

So this is not really a serious thread.

 

[Anonymous]

Doping but no more so than his rivals. I actually have some sympathy for contador. He and schleck had transfusions on the same days during the tour, but AC is the scapegoat (even if it wasnt originally planned that way).

NOw paddy McQuack can stand theyre and say cycling is cleaner than ever. And look how much work they are doing to catch the cheats.

 

[Andynonomous]

Definately Clean.

Well, let's see.

- Great climber.
- Connected (loosely) to Fuentes.
- Tests positive for an illegal substance.
- Tests positive for plasticizers (unofficial test).
- Reaction to plasticizers test was to ignore it (unusual for an innocent person).
- Won the TDF 3 of the last 4 years, probably beating many doped riders.
- Was banned from the TDF one year (ya, ya, I know, not his fault).


Definately clean.

If anybody says otherwise, they are just biased against Spaniards.

Just 50 picograms, just 50 picograms, I tells ya.

 

[isayic]

It's complete nonsense

- to test positive on the rest day
- with an amount that brings no performance enchancements and can't be applied with a syringe for example
- when you know you are tested every day because you are the race leader.

15 kilometers from Irún where the meat was baught is a harbour where ships from South America arrive with Clenbuterol tainted cattle. Where controllers accept bribes and let the animals pass as "clean".

Everyone who wants can make an educated guess.

 

[The Hitch]

Well, let's see.

- Great climber.
- Connected (loosely) to Fuentes.
- Tests positive for an illegal substance (one of MANY Spaniards in 2010).
- Tests positive for plasticizers (unofficial test).
- Reaction to plasticizers test was to ignore it (unusual for an innocent person).
- Won the TDF 3 of the last 4 years, probably beating many doped riders.
- Was banned from the TDF one year (ya, ya, I know, not his fault).


Definately clean.

If anybody says otherwise, they are just biased against Spaniards.

Just 5 picograms, just 5 picograms, I tells ya.

- rode for Johann Brunyeel
- rode for Manolo Saiz
- rode with many dopers at Astana, including, Levi, Lance, Kloeden and Vino
- Has one of highest recorde VAM's. On Verbier despite the fact that a climb like Verbier neccesitates more power for a high VAM as it is not as steep
- Claims to have NEVER "Nunca, Jamas" taken any drugs what so ever (it would be more believable if they say they tried some epo in 2004 or something)
- Was only person to match Michael Rasmussen in 07 when the latter was doped.
- BEat Riccardo Ricco at the Giro when he was doped, despite just coming from the beach.

 

[on3m@n@rmy]

- rode for Johann Brunyeel
- rode for Manolo Saiz
- rode with many dopers at Astana, including, Levi, Lance, Kloeden and Vino
...

meaning (besides the obvious) he also learned from the best on how to tell a lie?

 

[Berzin]

- rode for Johann Brunyeel
- rode for Manolo Saiz
- rode with many dopers at Astana, including, Levi, Lance, Kloeden and Vino
- Has one of highest recorde VAM's. On Verbier despite the fact that a climb like Verbier neccesitates more power for a high VAM as it is not as steep
- Claims to have NEVER "Nunca, Jamas" taken any drugs what so ever (it would be more believable if they say they tried some epo in 2004 or something)
- Was only person to match Michael Rasmussen in 07 when the latter was doped.
- BEat Riccardo Ricco at the Giro when he was doped, despite just coming from the beach.

Every point you made is correct. But I must disagree for the following reasons-

1) Contador is one of my favorite riders, and the Tour will be boring if he gets banned. So boring that I won't watch it. So he MUST ride next year.

2) These are the Armstrong chickens coming home to roost. If Lances' nonsense would have been nipped in the bud, we would not have the current doping template that many successful riders currently follow.

These reasons are not meant to minimize Contador's complicity. It's just the way I see things. Also, as long as the massive corruption and nepotism continues unabated at the UCI, then at the very least let it keep rolling with a rider I enjoy watching, as opposed to having to endure watching Mr. Hamster Face and his stupid yellow bracelets prancing around France every July like a doped-up extraterrestrial.

 

[Beech Mtn]

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- BEat Riccardo Ricco at the Giro when he was doped, despite just coming from the beach.

AC beat Ricco in the ITT and TTTs, but did not make up any time on Ricco on the climbing days - in fact he lost time to Ricco on a couple of MTFs when he couldn't hold Ricco's wheel when RR attacked. Not saying AC is show-white clean, but he didn't look all that extraterrestrial in that particular race.

By the way, that '08 Giro is an amazing display of the powers of dope. Sella's 3 victories, all day breakaways, Di Luca, Ricco, Sella's entire team, etc. It's like a who's-who for WADA targets.

 

[Andynonomous]

I think I am getting it now.

Also, as long as the massive corruption and nepotism continues unabated at the UCI, then at the very least let it keep rolling with a rider I enjoy watching, as opposed to having to endure watching Mr. Hamster Face and his stupid yellow bracelets prancing around France every July like a doped-up extraterrestrial.

Forgive me if I am wrong (since I am new to all of this), but would the following be an accurate description of what you believe :

- Armstrong was a mediocre talent without his doping regime
- He pushed the envelope of doping by taking it to a new level, without which his performances would not been nearly as great
- The rest of the riders felt that since he got away with it, they should as well
- The UCI is selectively enforcing the rules based on who their "favorites" are
- The legacy left by Armstrong is that today's riders feel tremendous pressure to start doping, or increase their doping to keep up.

 

[MarkvW]

Unfair Question

It can't be clear, because that's Victor Conte's product.
It can't be doped, because he hasn't had his hearing yet.

 

[The Hitch]

meaning (besides the obvious) he also learned from the best on how to tell a lie?

Everyone knows how to lie, its natural.

They do say that you cant lie without a good memory, but imo if you cant remember these 3 simple words, "never tested positive", "never tested positive" you deserve to be caught.

 

[Granville57]

What about "the look"?

Did anyone else get the same feeling I did while watching Andy and Alby battle it out on the Tourmalet? On one occasion in particular, Andy confidently and knowingly stared down Contador as he matched him stride for stride during the ascent, and one thing went through my mind. I felt as if he was saying, "Yeah, I know exactly what you're on, and guess what. Me too."

That's just how it hit me at time. Shame on me for such thoughts, huh?

 

[The Hitch]

Did anyone else get the same feeling I did while watching Andy and Alby battle it out on the Tourmalet? On one occasion in particular, Andy confidently and knowingly stared down Contador as he matched him stride for stride during the ascent, and one thing went through my mind. I felt as if he was saying, "Yeah, I know exactly what you're on, and guess what. Me too."

That's just how it hit me at time. Shame on me for such thoughts, huh?

Not only did i think that, but when i saw Samuel Sanchez (and bare in mind that on these boards im his biggest cheerleader) going strong just behind them, i thought - hes got himself a nice programme, and when i saw Purito come 3rd on the Tourmalet i thought - no surprises a former ONCE and Saunier Duval rider is doing it, and when i saw Navaro and the rest of Astana set the pace for Contador on the hills i thougt what many of the forum at the time said- that Contis domestiques are being payed extra to take a few risks.


And for those ready to give me the usual " i saw lance, does that mean i doped" crap, bare in mind that i am not preparing these points for presentation before a court of law, i am merely explaining what went through mine and others heads in July.

 

[Berzin]

Forgive me if I am wrong (since I am new to all of this), but would the following be an accurate description of what you believe :
- The rest of the riders felt that since he got away with it, they should as well

No, what I mean is the manner in which Armstrong got away with what he did, he set the modern template for how to achieve Tour success. So team managers and doctors know now how to do it, so they dictate these terms to whichever talented rider chooses to go down this road.

- The legacy left by Armstrong is that today's riders feel tremendous pressure to start doping, or increase their doping to keep up.

Armstrong's legacy isn't about the pressure to dope, because I believe this starts in the junior ranks. So anyone who turns pro already knows the deal.

The legacy lies in how to go about it. Despite external pressure and innuendo, if a rider/team manager has the UCI and the labs in their pocket, then doping issues become the problem of riders and teams outside of this loop.

 

[Dallas_]

Did anyone else get the same feeling I did while watching Andy and Alby battle it out on the Tourmalet? On one occasion in particular, Andy confidently and knowingly stared down Contador as he matched him stride for stride during the ascent, and one thing went through my mind. I felt as if he was saying, "Yeah, I know exactly what you're on, and guess what. Me too."

That's just how it hit me at time. Shame on me for such thoughts, huh?

Exactly and I thought I was the only one to interpret the look. How wrong I was!

cheers to all and a special cheer to Jeff Novitzky

 

[The Hitch]

Serious theory. Once upon a time did Tinkov post here.

I saw Tinkov write "clear" rather than clean.

Oleg Tinkov ‏@olegtinkov 3h
I hope that @mickrogers 's case is just misapprehension. He will prove that he was clear. I trust him, and believe in him.

I have heard that mistake made before. Once. By a Russian poster who half trolled and went under a very similar name.

Alberto contador doped or clear