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Andy's spectacular form changes

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Andy's spectacular form changes amaze me sometimes. Over the past few years he has been able to get into form for events from absoltuley nowhere when he has had no form at all. Even look at Contador and he always has at least solid form going into events. Please explain this to me...
 
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Id put it down to peaking for the right events, a good analogy would be Germany in the football World Cup as they seem to meander in qualification but always deliver at the tournament.
 

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Andy's spectacular form changes amaze me sometimes. Over the past few years he has been able to get into form for events from absoltuley nowhere when he has had no form at all. Even look at Contador and he always has at least solid form going into events. Please explain this to me...

Where is the location of this thread?
 
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Id put it down to peaking for the right events, a good analogy would be Germany in the football World Cup as they seem to meander in qualification but always deliver at the tournament.

No nothing to do with the fact that andy's brother has had problems with doping. Transactions to blood doctors discovered, with frank claiming that he only payed the doctor, but afterwards decided against using the help he had payed thousands for.

as for germany.
Could be the same reason as andy no? There is a thread covering doping in football with articles that suggest it happens more than most people think.
 
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as for germany.
Could be the same reason as andy no? There is a thread covering doping in football with articles that suggest it happens more than most people think.

Probably not. They been playing like that for about 60 years.
 
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what changes would you expect? you are naive.

What? You post makes no sense.

I was pointing out that the pattern of German football teams being average in qualifying but being very good in the actual tournament has been going on since 1954, so is unlikely to have anything to do with doping.

Or am being naive because I don't think that the German teams in 1954, 1966 and 1970 were doing transfusions and EPO, it's just that Germans know how to play in tournaments.

Not everything in sport is explained by doping.
 
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Well I'd agree that Andy does a nice job of "peaking" for certain events. The question is: How does he go about "peaking"?

Busting up that hill with Contador yesterday, and the ongoing series of attacks, had all the excitement of the Chicken-Contador battle of a couple years back on a similar climb...in fact, it looked a LOT like that battle.

How'd that work out for 'em?
 
Has nothing to do with doping (they all do that anyway), but with riding on heartrate.

Andy Schleck doesn't go above certain heartrate/effort levels in the preparation races. When he sees that, he just quits. He takes it very differently than for instance Robert Gesink or Alberto Contador, who need to really test themselves to be sure they are ok.
 

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I saw Andy in May, suffering like a dog and getting dropped by Mark Renshaw. Not taking it easy, not 'riding within himself, not just riding to a 'certain effort level',but actually suffering to hang on to sprinters on climbs.

Fast forward six weeks and he is now, with the exception of AC, slaughtering the feild on the hills. This is akin to a cat 3 rider doing six weeks training and going out and riding away from his Cat1 clubmates in his local club series.

Amazing!'I'll have what he's having':rolleyes:
 
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I saw Andy in May, suffering like a dog and getting dropped by Mark Renshaw. Not taking it easy, not 'riding within himself, not just riding to a 'certain effort level',but actually suffering to hang on to sprinters on climbs.

Fast forward six weeks and he is now, with the exception of AC, slaughtering the feild on the hills. This is akin to a cat 3 rider doing six weeks training and going out and riding away from his Cat1 clubmates in his local club series.

Im assuming this was the tour of California were this occured when he had self confessed illness and only went for racing miles
 
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I saw Andy in May, suffering like a dog and getting dropped by Mark Renshaw. Not taking it easy, not 'riding within himself, not just riding to a 'certain effort level',but actually suffering to hang on to sprinters on climbs.

Fast forward six weeks and he is now, with the exception of AC, slaughtering the feild on the hills. This is akin to a cat 3 rider doing six weeks training and going out and riding away from his Cat1 clubmates in his local club series.

Amazing!'I'll have what he's having':rolleyes:
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Ask yourself this also then, why is it that last year Armstrong was able to hang (for the most part) with these riders last year, and this year he gets dropped on the first Cat 1 climb. Maybe all that stuff AFLD said about last years testing is spot on, and maybe this year The Uniballer is running a bit scared and is on a bread and water diet?
 
Like Lking said, A.Schleck was ill there.

Don't forget Denis Menchov was dropped after 50km in the Tour of Belgium and quit because of ilness, and in the Dauphine he couldn't keep up with a lot of riders on especially Alpe d'Huez. Vogondy, Coppel, riders like that were already way too much.

I think many people just do not understand the concept of peaking. And ESPECIALLY, do not understand the difference between riders who naturally ride at a high level all season (like Evans, Basso, Gesink, etc), who don't have super high peaks but a somewhat constant level with a few small peaks. And riders who can really focus on a race and underperform most of the season, like Andy Schleck or Lance Armstrong in the past.

Not everyone is the same. Not everybody works the same way. And some riders even never find the right way to peak. They are in form when they shouldn't be, and are out of form when they are supposed to peak.
Understanding your own body is the hardest thing in this sport.
 
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I saw Andy in May, suffering like a dog and getting dropped by Mark Renshaw. Not taking it easy, not 'riding within himself, not just riding to a 'certain effort level',but actually suffering to hang on to sprinters on climbs.

Fast forward six weeks and he is now, with the exception of AC, slaughtering the feild on the hills. This is akin to a cat 3 rider doing six weeks training and going out and riding away from his Cat1 clubmates in his local club series.

Amazing!'I'll have what he's having':rolleyes:

i agree.

but it is ironic that you notice this. when you appear blind to others. after all the likes of armstrong and ullrich have done this for years and years...my personal favorite was the year heras was absolutely awful at the tour losing literally 15-20 minutes on mountain stages. a month later he was destroying the field in the mountains to win the vuelta...and we all know how he did that.
 
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Mambo95 said:
What? You post makes no sense.

I was pointing out that the pattern of German football teams being average in qualifying but being very good in the actual tournament has been going on since 1954, so is unlikely to have anything to do with doping.

Or am being naive because I don't think that the German teams in 1954, 1966 and 1970 were doing transfusions and EPO, it's just that Germans know how to play in tournaments.

Not everything in sport is explained by doping.
OT: "Soccer is a game where two teams play each other for 90 minutes - and in the end, the Germans win" (Gary Lineker)
 
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hmmmm easy too understand first how contador got that explosive sprint in the mountain hmmmmmmmm well all the others riders in the past was doing that all has beeb caugth doping well too stay with cotador some also do has he do dope taking the same stuff that why sleck hes going so good that simple has evans i beleived hes almost clean hes always suffering but battle too stay there.
 

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Thoughtforfood said:
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Ask yourself this also then, why is it that last year Armstrong was able to hang (for the most part) with these riders last year, and this year he gets dropped on the first Cat 1 climb. Maybe all that stuff AFLD said about last years testing is spot on, and maybe this year The Uniballer is running a bit scared and is on a bread and water diet?

Its a little different scenario when you have a guy crash, chase to make up 40 seconds and then make contact just as the pace goes on up the climb and then blow. Armstrong would have been unlikely to be dropped had this not occurred. He evidenced this the following day up the Hors Cat climb where he stayed with Basso, Geisink and Menchov while Sastre, Wiggins and Rogers were tailed off and Evans totally cracked. But maybe they are on the same bread and water diet.
 
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ellenbrook2001 said:
hmmmm easy too understand first how contador got that explosive sprint in the mountain hmmmmmmmm well all the others riders in the past was doing that all has beeb caugth doping well too stay with cotador some also do has he do dope taking the same stuff that why sleck hes going so good that simple has evans i beleived hes almost clean hes always suffering but battle too stay there.

WTF?

I hope English isn't your native tongue.