Another U.S. Postal Rider confirms systematic doping within team - N.Y. Times

[frizzlefry]

Unfortunately Race Radio has a history of making statements that he cannot source or back up, like his friend thehog. He likes to hint that he is some big player, perhaps a former pro, but in reality he only works for a sponsor of a team. He just spends his time gossiping about Armstrong like an old woman and emailing support to Betsy Andreu. He never raced professionally at all.

Moderator Alpe d'Huez specifically says anyone who makes claims of inside information without backing it up or revealing their own real idenity, is a troll, but because he is friends with Race Radio he allows him to do this. That's how this forum operates.

Since I went away over a week ago they have now set up BPC fan club or something, which is interesting. But BroDeal let slip in the same thread that they already have a community that coordinates their troll attacks on other forums. It's not even a secret anymore. You only have to google around for a few minutes to find BroDeal talking about how they were going to coopt cycling news forums and use it to spread propaganda.

Nice people.

Not sure if you have been on other forums but BroDeal and his lot did the same thing over at cyclingforums.com They ruined that forum, then when this forum opened up, they left cyclingforums high and dry and moved shop over here. trolls, the whole lot of them.

 

[Elagabalus]

Not sure if you have been on other forums but BroDeal and his lot did the same thing over at cyclingforums.com They ruined that forum, then when this forum opened up, they left cyclingforums high and dry and moved shop over here. trolls, the whole lot of them.

Which must explain why you're here?

 

[frizzlefry]

Which must explain why you're here?

Well I didnt bring an entire group over here to set up a community. big difference.

 

[Cobblestones]

Well I didnt bring a entire group over here to set up a community. big difference.

Cyclingforums was completely destroyed by the owner who didn't bother to do anything for years. No new members could join; spammers and trolls could do whatever they wanted because the only active moderator didn't have the privilege to ban them or to delete posts. We often did bump threads manually just to push the worst spam off the first page.

 

[frizzlefry]

Cyclingforums was completely destroyed by the owner who didn't bother to do anything for years. No new members could join; spammers and trolls could do whatever they wanted because the only active moderator didn't have the privilege to ban them or to delete posts. We often did bump threads manually just to push the worst spam off the first page.

Give me a break. The moderator didnt do anything cause he was one of them. He just didnt follow them over here, to my knowledge.
Also, why did the moderator delete my posts, if he didnt have the privledge?

 

[BroDeal]

Not sure if you have been on other forums but BroDeal and his lot did the same thing over at cyclingforums.com They ruined that forum, then when this forum opened up, they left cyclingforums high and dry and moved shop over here. trolls, the whole lot of them.

Uh, yeah. The reason why we all left cyclingforums is that the owner disappeared for about ten months, leaving it awash in spam and under attack from a troll named Tom Morris, who was every bit as annoying as BPC. Before he disappeared, he did a software upgrade that was faulty. It required all new members to be okayed to post; but since he was gone, no one new member was ever able to get that okay. So there were tons of members leaving with no one to replace them. The site spiraled downward until it became intolerable.

 

[Cobblestones]

Give me a break. The moderator didnt do anything cause he was one of them. He just didnt follow them over here, to my knowledge.
Also, why did the moderator delete my posts, if he didnt have the privledge?

Ok, trying to remember it, you might be right, he was able to delete posts (which he did with one of mine).

Anyway, the problem wasn't the active posters who were discussing cycling (and doping). The problem was spammers and the lack of new members. You might remember the days where the first page was full of Nike spam threads? Or the other days where the front page was filled with 5 year old threads bumped by Tom Morris whose posts were invisible to everybody?

 

[Oldman]

Give me a break. The moderator didnt do anything cause he was one of them. He just didnt follow them over here, to my knowledge.
Also, why did the moderator delete my posts, if he didnt have the privledge?

As an independent with no friends I'd say the first time posters claiming to be open minded are far from it. I've been correctly challenged by the posters you've named and had reasonable responses or at least entertaining posts. Never been to the other forums, though.

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

I just deleted 11 posts. Stay on topic guys.

 

[Deagol]

They just hate excellence.

Darn, you stole my line ....

 

[Gcraenen]

Anonymous US Postal rider

A few years ago, the US Congress asked a bunch a baseball players to talk about drugs etc under the promise of total annonymity (sp?), then divulged the names a few months later. We may know who this rider is soon enough.

 

[cycletard]

Many people are vastly over-estimating the general public's interest in this story, especially in the US.

If Perez Hilton has sunk his Etch-A-Sketch into the story, then the general public is somewhat interested in it:

http://perezhilton.com/2010-08-05-lance-armstrong-drug-investigation-heats-up

 

[Mach Schnell]

Has anyone actually come out and said "I saw HIM dope" yet?
Its all been about systematic doping within USPS, or, that HE was awae of it, but no direct accusations. Please correct me if I'm wrong, I was wracking my brain tried to remember if any of the players concerned actually dropped that bomb.

 

[Oldman]

A few years ago, the US Congress asked a bunch a baseball players to talk about drugs etc under the promise of total annonymity (sp?), then divulged the names a few months later. We may know who this rider is soon enough.

Just saw Tony Cornheiser and sidekick Mike quickly debate Armstrong's legacy if "He were indicted" on ESPN. Generally they came off as fans mentioning the "recovery from cancer overrriding any PED use" (my paraphrase). Cornheiser bought up the hundreds of times Lance was tested. Mike countered with "wasn't Marion Jones tested hundreds of times? If you can beat the test you can beat it." This coming from a source typically fawning over the Lance Icon. This, to me, signals a shift in the Major media that can inform the casual observer and also spares ESPN some embarrassment as the true story unfolds.

 

[MacRoadie]

If Perez Hilton has sunk his Etch-A-Sketch into the story, then the general public is somewhat interested in it:

http://perezhilton.com/2010-08-05-lance-armstrong-drug-investigation-heats-up

Classic comment from the Perez Hilton site:

L'Equipe has said a lot of things. They're probably right about Lance's team — I think they doped to help him. Whether he did or not is still open to question. And what's your point? All the top cyclists dope, not just armstrong. He's a target because he was so good. Frankly, I hope they nail Contador because he does too.

His team was a bunch of dopers (supposition ok with regard to them). All the other cyclists were a bunch of dopers (again, supposition ok with regard to them too). This leaves Armstrong as the ONLY clean rider in the peloton, because whether he did or not is "still open to question" (supposition NOT allowed here).

Gotta love the unsolicited dig at Contador too..

 

[Oldman]

Has anyone actually come out and said "I saw HIM dope" yet?
Its all been about systematic doping within USPS, or, that HE was awae of it, but no direct accusations. Please correct me if I'm wrong, I was wracking my brain tried to remember if any of the players concerned actually dropped that bomb.

I'll use the same old example: Al Capone didn't go to jail for murder, extortion, bribery, illegal transport of liquor, etc. He went to jail for a charge he never saw coming; tax evasion and this before RICO. LA's vulernability lies in the sheer volume and scope of his activities and his role as control person in those activities.

 

[VeloGirl]

My favourite quote from Beckie:

"Floyd should follow in Tyler Hamilton's footsteps, who plainly said yes, I'm guilty and I will take my two year suspension and come back to the sport a changed man and better athlete"

Are there two Tyler Hamiltons?? Or maybe she is talking about his twin

Lol! I think she meant "Taylor Hamilton" - Tyler's twin He's a good guy.

 

[I Watch Cycling In July]

Has anyone actually come out and said "I saw HIM dope" yet?
Its all been about systematic doping within USPS, or, that HE was awae of it, but no direct accusations. Please correct me if I'm wrong, I was wracking my brain tried to remember if any of the players concerned actually dropped that bomb.

If they have, the press hasn't been told any details. I suspect someone has. Otherwise wouldn't the prosecutor want to make sure all this background stuff was presented to the grand jury?

Edit - apart from Landis (the obvious) that is

 

[CPAvelo]

Has anyone actually come out and said "I saw HIM dope" yet?
Its all been about systematic doping within USPS, or, that HE was awae of it, but no direct accusations. Please correct me if I'm wrong, I was wracking my brain tried to remember if any of the players concerned actually dropped that bomb.

I thought Landis' leaked allegations indicated he saw Lance dope or saw evidence of it (Lance's blood he says he was safekeeping). It is probable that only some of Landis' emails and information was leaked. The federal investigators wouldn't convene a grand jury based only on what has been made public.

 

[Cobblestones]

If they have, the press hasn't been told any details. I suspect someone has. Otherwise wouldn't the prosecutor want to make sure all this background stuff was presented to the grand jury?

The bus incident, wasn't it implied that Lance was on the bus that day? Although I think he claimed he wasn't.

 

[MacRoadie]

Has anyone actually come out and said "I saw HIM dope" yet?
Its all been about systematic doping within USPS, or, that HE was awae of it, but no direct accusations. Please correct me if I'm wrong, I was wracking my brain tried to remember if any of the players concerned actually dropped that bomb.

2004: Again the team performed two seperate blood transfusions on me, but
this time Bruyneel had become more paranoid and we did the draws by flying
to Belgium and meeting at an unknown persons appartment and the blood was
brought by "Duffy" who was at that time Johans assistant of sorts. The
second of which was performed on the team bus on the ride from the finish of
a stage to the hotel during which the driver pretended to have engine
trouble and stopped on a remote mountain road for an hour or so, so the
entire team could have half a liter of blood added. This was the only time
that I ever saw the entire team being transfused in plain view of all the
other riders and bus driver. That team included Lance Armstrong,George
Hincapie and I as the only Americans.

From the Landis email.

 

[131313]

Has anyone actually come out and said "I saw HIM dope" yet?
Its all been about systematic doping within USPS, or, that HE was awae of it, but no direct accusations. Please correct me if I'm wrong, I was wracking my brain tried to remember if any of the players concerned actually dropped that bomb.

Nightline: Did you see Lance Armstrong receiving transfusions?

Landis: Yes.

Nightline: More than one?

Landis: Yes, multiple times.

 

[dbrower]

Has anyone actually come out and said "I saw HIM dope" yet?
Its all been about systematic doping within USPS, or, that HE was awae of it, but no direct accusations. Please correct me if I'm wrong, I was wracking my brain tried to remember if any of the players concerned actually dropped that bomb.

I think "the bus pulled over to the side of the road and we all got a blood refill" counts, especially if corroborated by multiple sources.

-dB

 

[Teddy Boom]

I assume it is a US rider. Let's narrow it down a bit

Danielson?
Cruz?
Livingston
Casey
Clinger
Creed
Gerlach
Gragus
Labee
Kluck
O'Bee
Jemison
MaCrae?


Robbie Ventura?

Why not Andreu?

 

[Race Radio]

I do not think that George will be talking anytime soon. That's Zia Modabber, George's Lawyer, on the left. Matt Tolmach (President of Columbia Pictures) on the right. Both ride for Helen's in L.A., local amateur squad. Tolmach is behind the LA documentary/propaganda that was supposed to come out this year.