are we gonna have to change Wigans name?

[blackcat]

well, Wigans just won Dauphine...

I think his name gotta stay but

 

[Ferminal]

Well, we finally saw a bit of Man Utd during the Dauphine.

 

[mewmewmew13]

Wigans is back.

good win for him, though, and he did everything right.

 

[BullsFan22]

What are the odds of him being clean during this race?

 

[movingtarget]

well, Wigans just won Dauphine...

I think his name gotta stay but

Whiner.........no that's Millar. Today he shall be known as Winner.

 

[Wiggins_fan]

What are the odds of him being clean during this race?

Wondering the same... Team sky is supposed to have a strong anti-doping stance but I think he's doped like the rest.

 

[hrotha]

What are the odds of him being clean during this race?

Exactly the same as before this race.

 

[hmsgenoa]

What are the odds of him being clean during this race?

Yes a valid question, and don't forget who was dining with David Millar when he got collared, Bradley's chum David Brailsford. No smoke without fire although that doesn't constitute conclusive proof. Not a lot of people know this but guess who were staying at Dave M's pad at the same time? The GB Team Pursuit squad - they kept that one quiet didn't they?

One would like to think Bradley's clean but he's definitely taken a step forward of late, was his training not optimal before? Is it just down to more hours in the saddle?

 

[thehog]

"Personally, I am happy that he is there as it means that Saxo Bank will be doing everything to help him win," said the 31-year-old Wiggins after completing victory on Sunday in the Criterium du Dauphine.

"Sportswise, though, it is not a good thing that a bloke who tested positive four times is in the race.

"It is also bad for all those teams that are fighting to be clean as is the case with my team, Sky."

 

[danjo007]

dont think hes doping atm, he simply just doesnt EAT food!

 

[Mambo95]

Not a lot of people know this but guess who were staying at Dave M's pad at the same time? The GB Team Pursuit squad - they kept that one quiet didn't they?

It's pretty easy to keep something quiet if it didn't happen. Or do you expect us to believe that six weeks before the Olympics the four man team where sent to a town which doesn't have a velodrome to stay in the one bedroom flat of a rider who's team was under heavy police investigation? What would be the point of that.

They were in Manchester and then Newport.

 

[sniper]

Chapeau to Wiggins for stating he thinks it's unfair that a guy who tested positive four times can still ride the TdF.

http://es.eurosport.yahoo.com/12062011/47/wiggins-quiere-ver-contador-tour.html

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Wondering the same... Team sky is supposed to have a strong anti-doping stance but I think he's doped like the rest.

Team Sky quietly dropped the "nobody ever involved in doping ever" stance in the offseason, mainly because they realised just how hard it is to get experienced DSes who weren't around in the EPO era.

Mind you, they had Michael Barry on the team before that anyway.

 

[hmsgenoa]

It's pretty easy to keep something quiet if it didn't happen. Or do you expect us to believe that six weeks before the Olympics the four man team where sent to a town which doesn't have a velodrome to stay in the one bedroom flat of a rider who's team was under heavy police investigation? What would be the point of that.

They were in Manchester and then Newport.

I don't expect you to believe anything, least of all that the winner of a week long professional stage race in the Dauphine Alps is squeaky clean. He may be but maybe not. As for three week races, if Lance doesn't manage to buy his way out of trouble, then the results of the last 10 Tours De France can come under genuine question.

As I said 'not conclusive proof' but the way you answer, trying to sound so completely reasonable - but fundamentally flawed - makes me wonder further. I don't doubt they were in Manchester and then Newport. I also don't doubt that a little warm weather training in Mediteranean climes might have been quite useful too. A lot can happen in a split second let alone six weeks.

This is the 21st century, we have tranes, planes and automobiles, not cart horses only. Road training is quite a big component of a pursuit or team pursuits schedule. Of course I'm sure the French Police made the GB squad privy to their investigation - not. And it's not a co-incidence that Dave B was knocking around down there, oh no. And I quite agree with your penultimate sentence, which really ought to have a question mark against it - then it really does start to make sense. Maybe a Freudian slip? But you seem to know quite a lot reading between the lines. We'll agree to disagree on this one.

 

[Winterfold]

hmsgenoa - A brilliant exercise in trying to make someone who challenged your completely unsusbstantiated claim appear to be a conspiracist who needs to back up their challenge.

I call bull**** on your posts.

Of course there is some possibility that every cyclist could have doped - even Boardman - but that is an easy position that takes no guts or conviction.

 

[Richeypen]

hmsgenoa - A brilliant exercise in trying to make someone who challenged your completely unsusbstantiated claim appear to be a conspiracist who needs to back up their challenge.

I call bull**** on your posts.

Of course there is some possibility that every cyclist could have doped - even Boardman - but that is an easy position that takes no guts or conviction.

+1

completely agree

 

[euanli]

Who goes to Paris for warm weather training? And I'm sure 6 weeks before their main target all endurance work would have been pretty much suspended for work in the velodrome, simulations and race intensity work outs.

 

[hatcher]

I don't expect you to believe anything, least of all that the winner of a week long professional stage race in the Dauphine Alps is squeaky clean. He may be but maybe not. As for three week races, if Lance doesn't manage to buy his way out of trouble, then the results of the last 10 Tours De France can come under genuine question.

As I said 'not conclusive proof' but the way you answer, trying to sound so completely reasonable - but fundamentally flawed - makes me wonder further. I don't doubt they were in Manchester and then Newport. I also don't doubt that a little warm weather training in Mediteranean climes might have been quite useful too. A lot can happen in a split second let alone six weeks.

This is the 21st century, we have tranes, planes and automobiles, not cart horses only. Road training is quite a big component of a pursuit or team pursuits schedule. Of course I'm sure the French Police made the GB squad privy to their investigation - not. And it's not a co-incidence that Dave B was knocking around down there, oh no. And I quite agree with your penultimate sentence, which really ought to have a question mark against it - then it really does start to make sense. Maybe a Freudian slip? But you seem to know quite a lot reading between the lines. We'll agree to disagree on this one.

Least convincing suggestion of insider knowledge I've ever heard.

 

[python]

speculation aside, i have two serious questions for those in the know...

1. in 2009 wiggins touted his weight loss as the main factor in his performance boost. were there any reliable reports as to his weight at 2011 dauphine ?

2. in 2011 wiggins touted altitude training as the 'new' approach giving him some performance boost. were there any reliable reports of him ever experimenting with altitude training BEFORE 2011 ?

 

[bobbins]

Team Sky quietly dropped the "nobody ever involved in doping ever" stance in the offseason, mainly because they realised just how hard it is to get experienced DSes who weren't around in the EPO era.

Mind you, they had Michael Barry on the team before that anyway.

They quietly announced that they had dropped their zero tolerance doping policy and are under serious sponsor pressure to get some wins this season.

 

[BillytheKid]

dont think hes doping atm, he simply just doesnt EAT food!

Calorie restriction: Sounds like Chris Horner.

 

[BillytheKid]

Which of course can be done clean. I just don't know how long the body puts up with it.

 

[Reverend_T_Preedy]

speculation aside, i have two serious questions for those in the know...

1. in 2009 wiggins touted his weight loss as the main factor in his performance boost. were there any reliable reports as to his weight at 2011 dauphine ?

2. in 2011 wiggins touted altitude training as the 'new' approach giving him some performance boost. were there any reliable reports of him ever experimenting with altitude training BEFORE 2011 ?

Not sure on his weight for the Dauphine. However, he said last year his weight was down but his power was down also. This year he's worked on power to obtain an optimum power to weight ratio.

With regards to altitude training, quotes from himself, Shane Sutton and Brailsford last year indicated that he hadn't. Whether that is ever or only prior to road races I don't know. They went to altitude because he had problems on the highest climbs

In November last year he said: “It's an idea myself, Dave Brailsford and Shane Sutton came up with after assessing the season just gone and how we could maybe improve things in 2011. I've never tried it before, and we never touched on it last season because we simply didn't have enough time between the Giro and the Tour. A lot of the other riders who had done it before the Tour seemed to benefit from it though, and we are always looking to improve.”

 

[Reverend_T_Preedy]

Yes a valid question, and don't forget who was dining with David Millar when he got collared, Bradley's chum David Brailsford. No smoke without fire although that doesn't constitute conclusive proof. Not a lot of people know this but guess who were staying at Dave M's pad at the same time? The GB Team Pursuit squad - they kept that one quiet didn't they?

One would like to think Bradley's clean but he's definitely taken a step forward of late, was his training not optimal before? Is it just down to more hours in the saddle?

Pathetic arguement. At least come up with some sort of evidence or reasoned argument.

I have been mates with a lad for years until recently when he was convicted of rape. By using this argument that would make me a rapist too.

If that's all you can think of then don't bother posting anything.

 

[Hawkwood]

I don't expect you to believe anything, least of all that the winner of a week long professional stage race in the Dauphine Alps is squeaky clean. He may be but maybe not. As for three week races, if Lance doesn't manage to buy his way out of trouble, then the results of the last 10 Tours De France can come under genuine question.

As I said 'not conclusive proof' but the way you answer, trying to sound so completely reasonable - but fundamentally flawed - makes me wonder further. I don't doubt they were in Manchester and then Newport. I also don't doubt that a little warm weather training in Mediteranean climes might have been quite useful too. A lot can happen in a split second let alone six weeks.

This is the 21st century, we have tranes, planes and automobiles, not cart horses only. Road training is quite a big component of a pursuit or team pursuits schedule. Of course I'm sure the French Police made the GB squad privy to their investigation - not. And it's not a co-incidence that Dave B was knocking around down there, oh no. And I quite agree with your penultimate sentence, which really ought to have a question mark against it - then it really does start to make sense. Maybe a Freudian slip? But you seem to know quite a lot reading between the lines. We'll agree to disagree on this one.

Millar was living in Biarritz when he was collared, it was at a restuarant outside the town. Biarritz is not on the Med, it's on the Atlantic coast. Having been to that area of France I found that it can be windswept and cool. If you really wanted `warm weather training' you would actually go to the Med.