Best classics rider in the world

[Berniece]

It doesn't fit your previous self. Just that.

What’s the point of this thread? Or is this just so you can *** on other people with different views?

 

[Gigs_98]

It's so obviously Pogacar. Cannot believe this is actually something people are willing to argue against. With the same logic that's saying Pogacar cannot win MSR and PR I could argue 3 time RVV champion MvdP cannot win RVV. There is a guy who literally podiumed the last 7 major one day races in a row, winning 5 of them, and people are questioning whether he's the best one day racer. MvdP is great but c'mon.

 

[Berniece]

It's so obviously Pogacar. Cannot believe this is actually something people are willing to argue against. With the same logic that's saying Pogacar cannot win MSR and PR I could argue 3 time RVV champion MvdP cannot win RVV. There is a guy who literally podiumed the last 7 major one day races in a row, winning 5 of them, and people are questioning whether he's the best one day racer. MvdP is great but c'mon.

Because there is more to classics than just monuments. It’s also weird you think MVDP can’t win RVV with Pogacar there. He was clearly not himself this year, or you think it’s normal he finished with Pedersen and WVA…

 

[AmRacer]

Because there is more to classics than just monuments. It’s also weird you think MVDP can’t win RVV with Pogacar there. He was clearly not himself this year, or you think it’s normal he finished with Pedersen and WVA…

MVDP ran out of gas while trying to follow Pogi, that's why he finished with Pedersen. Hadn't Pogi raced, MVDP would have parked both Pedersen and WVA.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Because there is more to classics than just monuments. It’s also weird you think MVDP can’t win RVV with Pogacar there. He was clearly not himself this year, or you think it’s normal he finished with Pedersen and WVA…

The fact is that MVP lost last two Flandres races he contested against Pog and has little or zero chance in two other monuments (not just because of Pog but also others) .

OTOH only MVP at his best terrain stopped Pog from sweeping all monuments in one year.

There hasnt been such an all monument monster like Pog for a long time.

If MVP was a current holder of 3 monuments and WC there would be no doubts. Ie he was the best in 2023 with two monuments and WC.

 

[Gigs_98]

Because there is more to classics than just monuments. It’s also weird you think MVDP can’t win RVV with Pogacar there. He was clearly not himself this year, or you think it’s normal he finished with Pedersen and WVA…

Yes.

Also are you really sure you want to make the argument MvdP is a better classics rider because of non monument one day races? I'll give you a minute to think about this, please come back once you've made your decision.

 

[Berniece]

The fact is that MVP lost last two Flandres races he contested against Pog and has little or zero chance in two other monuments (not just because of Pog but also others) .

OTOH only MVP at his best terrain stopped Pog from sweeping all monuments in one year.

There hasnt been such an all monument monster like Pog for a long time.

If MVP was a current holder of 3 monuments and WC there would be no doubts. Ie he was the best in 2023 with two monuments and WC.

Again he lost it because he was sick. If we are going to ignore such information then we can just agree to disagree

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Again he lost it because he was sick. If we are going to ignore such information then we can just agree to disagree

In 2022 he was at his best and still lost. You cant ignore two consecutive losses and the fact that Pog is much better at his worst terrain (ie MSR) than MVP at his worst ( Lombardy).

In my book it should be about feats in last 12 months anyway and its clear of course.

 

[Vinther1991]

Pogacar has 9 monument wins, MvdP has 8. However, Lombardia is certainly the least prestigious monument, 4 of Pogacar’s wins are in Lombardia, while 3 of MvdPs wins are in Roubaix, which is the most prestigious. So that evens out. Still Pogacar has more wins in the only other six classics that I consider significant (Strade, E3, Gent, Amstel, Fleche and San Sebastian), so he pulls ahead.

Looking at potential, Pogacar can win San Remo and Roubaix, at least if MvdP isn’t there. MvdP can win Liege if he makes it a more primary target, if Pogacar isn’t there, and if Alpecin shows up with a stronger team. Winning Lombardia seems impossible for MvdP.

So probably Pogacar as of now.

Remco isn’t even close. Especially not if championships don’t count. He may even be below Wout, who besides San Remo has won E3 (twice), Gent, Strade and Amstel and podiumed 4 diffenret monuments.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

@Vinther1991
In terms of overall resume we will have a clear picture when both end careers. Pog is more likely to finish ahead though.

BTW look at Pogs schedule. He's basically a one day racer who does the Tour (and one prep race Dauphine). Plus UAE early in the season due to sponsors.

 

[Berniece]

In 2022 he was at his best and still lost. You cant ignore two consecutive losses and the fact that Pog is much better at his worst terrain (ie MSR) than MVP at his worst ( Lombardy).

In my book it should be about feats in last 12 months anyway and its clear of course.

And Pogacar and MVDP are the same riders they were in 2022? Cool I guess Evenepoel will easily win WC then

 

[chickenlips]

Even though i voted for MVDP, I think Remco is a close second, as he has won LBL twice. Actually, why is Remco even on the poll without other riders who are just as deserving? Ah, just for a bit of fun, now I get it.

 

[Axel Hangleck]

BTW look at Pogs schedule. He's basically a one day racer who does the Tour (and one prep race Dauphine). Plus UAE early in the season due to sponsors.

Ah, so we can say the same for MvdP; he's a CX rider who does the Classics, and has to do the Tour for sponsors....