Best Retired Cyclist (with many wins), Without a Monument?

[Angliru]

I second that!

 

[42x16ss]

Something else overlooked. Phil Anderson won the Amstel Gold Race in 1983.

Phil's only win in a bigger classic. He was also on the podium at Paris-Tours and other good size one day races. Considering his ability Anderson should have won a lot more...

 

[movingtarget]

Phil's only win in a bigger classic. He was also on the podium at Paris-Tours and other good size one day races. Considering his ability Anderson should have won a lot more...

Also did well to finish fifth in the Tour and top 10 other times, as he was not a typical GC rider. More of an all rounder classics rider.

 

[deejay]

Quite true. In his age, there was no such thing as "monuments". It's a late 80's neologism.

You sure about that. I would like to offer a different opinion.
I seem to recall seeing a reference to Monument races in the 1950's "Sporting Cyclist" magazine but I don't intend to wade through them to prove a point.

I realise that the late 80's is when a lot of B/S started up with the new Internet experts arriving but I can't understand how San Remo would qualify if you are right.
It became one because of it's length on what was Dust and Gravel roads as did the other Monuments.
There would be a lot more if they were only designated as such in the 80's.

So how will Stephen Roche figure in your list. Not very high I hope.

There is only one rider to make me "Hate" is called Bjarne.
The Texas Twit I have had trouble Ignoring this century but the media keep throwing him at me.

I will get my coat,

 

[Echoes]

I'm positive.

That's what my dad told me. There were a dozen classics: Paris-Brussels, Paris-Tours, Ghent-Wevelgem and the Arrow + the 5 that are currently referred to as "Monuments". And the Worlds were considered a classic too. Van Looy won all of them. Only Paris-Roubaix stood out from the pack as the "Queen of the Classics".

Then in the late 80's Verbrugghen wanted to change everything in order to promote his Amstel with the World Cup.

If there were "Monuments" in the 50's, they were completely different from the present-day ones. In those days, Arrow >>>> Liège-Bastogne. Same for Paris-Brussels. The Walloon Arrow joined the Desgrange-Colombo Challenge in 1948 and Liège-Bastogne in 1951.


I've already shown multiple times here that Milan-Sanremo was one of the hardest of all classic races ...

Stephen Roche is an Easter Bell ! (something that ignorant U25 can't understand of course)

 

[deejay]

I'm positive.

I've already shown multiple times here that Milan-Sanremo was one of the hardest of all classic races ...

Good ole Dad.
Now I will have to find time to locate the items. (It's a winter job really)
1922 San Remo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=totm3FWY0zg&feature=endscreen
1930 San Remo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yY3eVU1LilU