Does anybody know how many bonification seconds riders can earn in a Giro d'Italia stage? (I want try to calculate how many stages the winner of the prologue will ride in pink.)
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It has always struck me as unfair.Eshnar said:bonuses should be 10", 6" and 4"
However, time trials give nothing, so the winner of the prologue won't get any.
Well, there are many unfair things in GC classifications. Bonus seconds, same time, 3 km rule...CheckMyPecs said:It has always struck me as unfair.Eshnar said:bonuses should be 10", 6" and 4"
However, time trials give nothing, so the winner of the prologue won't get any.
"Many things are unfair" is no good reason to perpetuate a specific case of unfairness that can easily be addressed.Eshnar said:Well, there are many unfair things in GC classifications. Bonus seconds, same time, 3 km rule...CheckMyPecs said:It has always struck me as unfair.Eshnar said:bonuses should be 10", 6" and 4"
However, time trials give nothing, so the winner of the prologue won't get any.
Hugo Koblet said:It's time for fantasy games, I see
As a matter of fact, all of them can be addressed.CheckMyPecs said:"Many things are unfair" is no good reason to perpetuate a specific case of unfairness that can easily be addressed.Eshnar said:Well, there are many unfair things in GC classifications. Bonus seconds, same time, 3 km rule...CheckMyPecs said:It has always struck me as unfair.Eshnar said:bonuses should be 10", 6" and 4"
However, time trials give nothing, so the winner of the prologue won't get any.
yes, it should be 3",2",1" as the last years. But I can't find confirmation on the official site...Jakub said:Are there also sprinters 3', 2' and 1' there?
Eshnar said:yes, it should be 3",2",1" as the last years. But I can't find confirmation on the official site...Jakub said:Are there also sprinters 3', 2' and 1' there?
I've thought about that as well, previously.StephenC2020 said:Related topic:
Does anyone else think it would be nice to have races where a rider's time is taken as they cross the line and not when the first rider in the group does?
I think it would add a lot (especially to the type of race where you have normally large groups on the same time in GC). Or in a Grand tour a GC rider who can stay right at the front in a sprint can gain maybe 20 seconds over the race because they finish 2-3 seconds ahead of their rivals in each sprint.
I realize that there would be issues with this (what do you do with a crash in the final, safety, logistics albeit this should be less of a problem in modern times) but I really like the idea of the GC in a race being done this way with no bonifications.
It has always bothered me that a rider can finish just of the back of a large group and the difference between getting the same time as the winner and losing 20 seconds can be minuscule.
I know it's not a big issue but I find it interesting to think about at least.
StephenC2020 said:Related topic:
Does anyone else think it would be nice to have races where a rider's time is taken as they cross the line and not when the first rider in the group does?
I think it would add a lot (especially to the type of race where you have normally large groups on the same time in GC). Or in a Grand tour a GC rider who can stay right at the front in a sprint can gain maybe 20 seconds over the race because they finish 2-3 seconds ahead of their rivals in each sprint.
I realize that there would be issues with this (what do you do with a crash in the final, safety, logistics albeit this should be less of a problem in modern times) but I really like the idea of the GC in a race being done this way with no bonifications.
It has always bothered me that a rider can finish just of the back of a large group and the difference between getting the same time as the winner and losing 20 seconds can be minuscule.
I know it's not a big issue but I find it interesting to think about at least.
Yes, I know the logic, but it still seems unfair. If you're going to distort the classification by introducing bonus seconds, you might as well do it in a way that doesn't benefit one category of riders over another.Eshnar said:Time bonuses have been created to give the gc guys a reason to contest stage wins. There's no necessity to put them in ITTs, as they will give it their all anyway. Since there is no necessity and the idea to alter the time result of a time trial sounds weird to most, they haven't been put in TTs. Unfair, I agree, but it has a logic behind it.
Netserk said:I've thought about that as well, previously.StephenC2020 said:Related topic:
Does anyone else think it would be nice to have races where a rider's time is taken as they cross the line and not when the first rider in the group does?
I think it would add a lot (especially to the type of race where you have normally large groups on the same time in GC). Or in a Grand tour a GC rider who can stay right at the front in a sprint can gain maybe 20 seconds over the race because they finish 2-3 seconds ahead of their rivals in each sprint.
I realize that there would be issues with this (what do you do with a crash in the final, safety, logistics albeit this should be less of a problem in modern times) but I really like the idea of the GC in a race being done this way with no bonifications.
It has always bothered me that a rider can finish just of the back of a large group and the difference between getting the same time as the winner and losing 20 seconds can be minuscule.
I know it's not a big issue but I find it interesting to think about at least.
You cannot combine it with the 3-km rule, so either you scrap that and let crashes heavily influence GC, or you only time riders individually on uphill finishes, where the 3-km rule is not in effect.
Netserk said:I've thought about that as well, previously.StephenC2020 said:Related topic:
Does anyone else think it would be nice to have races where a rider's time is taken as they cross the line and not when the first rider in the group does?
You cannot combine it with the 3-km rule, so either you scrap that and let crashes heavily influence GC, or you only time riders individually on uphill finishes, where the 3-km rule is not in effect.