British Sporting Administrators - what's the deal?

[thehog]

So, what's the deal? From Cookson, to Coe to Reedie, all finished by U.K. Sport to become chocolate teapots and in some cases cover up corruption.

What's the deal?

 

[sniper]

Coes right hand Nick Davies now being exposed as a fraud as we speak.

Good times over at Dan Roan' s who is mixing it up with Damian Collins both wondering why Davies is allowed by ethics committee to continue working in the sport.

Good times.

 

[Semper Fidelis]

Yall talking about the State Sponsored "Marginal Gains" programs?

Maybe they "knight" the entire group. They can all be called sir and sit around sipping tea while watching the TDF?

 

[thehog]

Re:

Yall talking about the State Sponsored "Marginal Gains" programs?

Maybe they "knight" the entire group. They can all be called sir and sit around sipping tea while watching the TDF?

It certainly appears that way! Incompetence appears to be an attribute to be successful at the job.

 

[King Boonen]

Incompetence implies by mistake, I don't think that is the case in any of this.

 

[yaco]

It's all very incestuous - Beloff a jurist and CAS Arbitrator is on the IAAF Ethics Commission and is a good friend of Tony Blair.

 

[thehog]

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It's all very incestuous - Beloff a jurist and CAS Arbitrator is on the IAAF Ethics Commission and is a good friend of Tony Blair.

I guess that's why we'll never see the full Reason Decision on the Lizzie Armitstead 3 missed tests?

 

[sniper]

Dan Roan:
Upcoming report will raise questions

[f]or UK Sport, who say they are considering helping fund Cookson's forthcoming UCI re-election campaign this year [they gave him £78,000 to help him get elected in 2013], despite co-commissioning the investigation into the culture of an organisation that he headed up for 16 years. The wisdom of using National Lottery funds to help pay for the election campaigns of British sports administrators has already been questioned. Despite their crucial role in distributing the billions of pounds that have helped bring about Britain's remarkable rise as a sporting superpower in successive Olympic and Paralympic Games, UK Sport's 'no-compromise' approach is already under serious scrutiny after cutting off funding to sports like badminton, table-tennis and wheelchair rugby, whose appeals will be heard later this month.

http://www.bbc.com/sport/cycling/38833749

 

[BullsFan22]

Re:

Dan Roan:
Upcoming report will raise questions

[f]or UK Sport, who say they are considering helping fund Cookson's forthcoming UCI re-election campaign this year [they gave him £78,000 to help him get elected in 2013], despite co-commissioning the investigation into the culture of an organisation that he headed up for 16 years. The wisdom of using National Lottery funds to help pay for the election campaigns of British sports administrators has already been questioned. Despite their crucial role in distributing the billions of pounds that have helped bring about Britain's remarkable rise as a sporting superpower in successive Olympic and Paralympic Games, UK Sport's 'no-compromise' approach is already under serious scrutiny after cutting off funding to sports like badminton, table-tennis and wheelchair rugby, whose appeals will be heard later this month.

http://www.bbc.com/sport/cycling/38833749

I won't be convinced until a REAL investigation takes place.

 

[B_Ugli]

The Untouchables as they say, UCI based in Switzerland, IAAF based in Monaco.

I think its embedded into British culture nowadays that if you are (a) rich, (b) powerful or (c) influential then a different set of rules apply to you than everyone else.

I was quite sceptical about select committee's but I think as this has gone on Damian Collins has rapidly realised what a bunch of slippery characters he is dealing with and adjusted his approach accordingly.

Unfortunately the Select Committee is not a courtroom and my understanding is that you cannot be found in contempt for non appearance or perjure yourself for telling lies..........shame that is.

 

[gillan1969]

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The Untouchables as they say, UCI based in Switzerland, IAAF based in Monaco.

I think its embedded into British culture nowadays that if you are (a) rich, (b) powerful or (c) influential then a different set of rules apply to you than everyone else.

I was quite sceptical about select committee's but I think as this has gone on Damian Collins has rapidly realised what a bunch of slippery characters he is dealing with and adjusted his approach accordingly.

Unfortunately the Select Committee is not a courtroom and my understanding is that you cannot be found in contempt for non appearance or perjure yourself for telling lies..........shame that is.

indeed...but after Brailsford's and Coe' performances...we now don't need the 'adverse analytical' findings to be able to smell the rotten fish...its odour wafts from every dissembling statement they make...and they are being forced into more and more of them....

good sport some would say

 

[yaco]

Re: Re:

It's all very incestuous - Beloff a jurist and CAS Arbitrator is on the IAAF Ethics Commission and is a good friend of Tony Blair.

I guess that's why we'll never see the full Reason Decision on the Lizzie Armitstead 3 missed tests?

To be fair UKAD is much better than other NDO's at publishing reasoned decisions than other NDO's - My problem with the Lizzie Armistead case was that you should have to challenge a missing test at the time, not when you have racked up 3 missing tests.

 

[GreasyChain]

Re: Re:

It's all very incestuous - Beloff a jurist and CAS Arbitrator is on the IAAF Ethics Commission and is a good friend of Tony Blair.

I guess that's why we'll never see the full Reason Decision on the Lizzie Armitstead 3 missed tests?

To be fair UKAD is much better than other NDO's at publishing reasoned decisions than other NDO's - My problem with the Lizzie Armistead case was that you should have to challenge a missing test at the time, not when you have racked up 3 missing tests.

What difference would that make to you? You'd still claim that anybody missing a single test was doping and that being cleared is just a cover up.

You can miss 3 tests in a rolling 12 month period. So why bother challenging 1 test when you have no intention of missing another one and can always appeal if you hit 3 by accident.

The casual racism on the clinic is something to behold. If you were Yes voters using such language about the english you'd have had the daily mail at your door and JK Rowling setting 6 million cultists on you.

 

[veganrob]

i would think it was rather hard to miss three tests by accident. You would have to be an idiot.

 

[thehog]

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i would think it was rather hard to miss three tests by accident. You would have to be an idiot.

Or a cheat?

 

[yaco]

Re: Re:

It's all very incestuous - Beloff a jurist and CAS Arbitrator is on the IAAF Ethics Commission and is a good friend of Tony Blair.

I guess that's why we'll never see the full Reason Decision on the Lizzie Armitstead 3 missed tests?

To be fair UKAD is much better than other NDO's at publishing reasoned decisions than other NDO's - My problem with the Lizzie Armistead case was that you should have to challenge a missing test at the time, not when you have racked up 3 missing tests.

What difference would that make to you? You'd still claim that anybody missing a single test was doping and that being cleared is just a cover up.

You can miss 3 tests in a rolling 12 month period. So why bother challenging 1 test when you have no intention of missing another one and can always appeal if you hit 3 by accident.

The casual racism on the clinic is something to behold. If you were Yes voters using such language about the english you'd have had the daily mail at your door and JK Rowling setting 6 million cultists on you.

Way to put words into my mouth - I am using Lizzie Armistead as an example because it's a recent example - It makes perfect sense that you challenge the missing test at the time - Just recently the cricketer Andre Russell of the WI ( not English ) received a 12 month suspension for missing three tests in 12 months - Beloff QC who isa member of the IAAF Ethics was discussed because he is intimately involved in the Papa Diack/Coe case but mainly because I think its a conflict of interest to be on IAAF Ethics Board and at the same time a CAS Arbitrator - My posts have nothing to do with casual racism - Its a figment of your imagination.

 

[TMP402]

Re: Re:

The Untouchables as they say, UCI based in Switzerland, IAAF based in Monaco.

I think its embedded into British culture nowadays that if you are (a) rich, (b) powerful or (c) influential then a different set of rules apply to you than everyone else.

I was quite sceptical about select committee's but I think as this has gone on Damian Collins has rapidly realised what a bunch of slippery characters he is dealing with and adjusted his approach accordingly.

Unfortunately the Select Committee is not a courtroom and my understanding is that you cannot be found in contempt for non appearance or perjure yourself for telling lies..........shame that is.

Actually... (according to this https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2011/jul/22/phone-hacking-lying-to-select-committee)

Imprisonment or a substantial fine could theoretically be imposed as a punishment by parliament on anyone who told lies in evidence to a select committee. Misleading MPs is deemed to amount to a "contempt of the house" in the same way that refusing to answer a summons to appear before a committee is reported to the Commons. The offender would be summoned to the bar of the house.

It turns out no-one's been imprisoned since the 19th century but it appears still to be possible.

 

[King Boonen]

Re: Re:

The Untouchables as they say, UCI based in Switzerland, IAAF based in Monaco.

I think its embedded into British culture nowadays that if you are (a) rich, (b) powerful or (c) influential then a different set of rules apply to you than everyone else.

I was quite sceptical about select committee's but I think as this has gone on Damian Collins has rapidly realised what a bunch of slippery characters he is dealing with and adjusted his approach accordingly.

Unfortunately the Select Committee is not a courtroom and my understanding is that you cannot be found in contempt for non appearance or perjure yourself for telling lies..........shame that is.

Actually... (according to this https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2011/jul/22/phone-hacking-lying-to-select-committee)

Imprisonment or a substantial fine could theoretically be imposed as a punishment by parliament on anyone who told lies in evidence to a select committee. Misleading MPs is deemed to amount to a "contempt of the house" in the same way that refusing to answer a summons to appear before a committee is reported to the Commons. The offender would be summoned to the bar of the house.

It turns out no-one's been imprisoned since the 19th century but it appears still to be possible.

Yeah, but it's a lot like the death penalty for treason until that was removed and we joined the ECHR and then acceded to the 13th Protocol (Brexit will make historians of us all!). It would never actually happen.

 

[yaco]

My understanding is the Select Committee is still a Committee - A poster on another forum stated the Committee has turned into an Enquiry ? Is this true ?

 

[King Boonen]

Re:

My understanding is the Select Committee is still a Committee - A poster on another forum stated the Committee has turned into an Enquiry ? Is this true ?

An inquiry is what the select committee carries out.

 

[thehog]

So, what's the deal? From Cookson, to Coe to Reedie, all finished by U.K. Sport to become chocolate teapots and in some cases cover up corruption.

What's the deal?

Another good day for British sporting administrators... they sure are good at this job

 

[thehog]

I'm told by the UCI that due to Brian Cookson's busy travel schedule he may not be available for interview until April.

:lol: :surprised:

 

[veganrob]

I'm sure he is very busy stocking his bunker hoping this all blows over.

 

[Benotti69]

I'm told by the UCI that due to Brian Cookson's busy travel schedule he may not be available for interview until April.

:lol: :surprised:

Surprise surprise St David Millar also in middle east avoiding the storm in the UK.

These anti-doping heroes are in such demand!!!!

:lol:

 

[sniper]

I'm told by the UCI that due to Brian Cookson's busy travel schedule he may not be available for interview until April.

:lol: :surprised:

Surprise surprise St David Millar also in middle east avoiding the storm in the UK.

These anti-doping heroes are in such demand!!!!

:lol:

Someone who weathered the storm was Liz Nichols, and fair play to her for providing this precious bit of stand up comedy when Dan Roan asked her why UK sports continue to support Cookson's reelection campaign:

https://twitter.com/danroan/status/838396719180230656