Cav Vs Renshaw Vs Goss

[bladerunner]

Happy New Season to All!!

BTW, does anyone know when we can realistically expect to see the first scheduled match up with Cav, Renshaw & Goss. I guess all 3 will ride Milano-San Remo but is there a good race involving them before that?

Cheers.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

oh for **** no, not another cavendish/anglo sprinters topic

 

[Old School]

It would be poetic if Renshaw spanked both Cav and Goss....

I know I'm cheering for him. I love an underdog.

 

[ingsve]

Anyone looking forward to a matchup between Cav and Renshaw should prepare themselves for a huge anti-climax.

 

[simo1733]

What about Cavendish v Goss/Griepel/Kittel/Farrar/Huasler

 

[Panda Claws]

Cavendish is faster than Goss and certainly Renshaw.

There is no contest.

 

[El Pistolero]

I'm looking forward to a Cavendish vs Goss duel on MSR to be honest

MSR is bigger than winning 5 flat Tour stages.

 

[ingsve]

The real question that I look forward to seeing the answer to is which team that will take the primary role in most sprints. Will Sky become a copy of HTC in the sprints of will we see a slightly different environment in sprints from now on?

 

[Swabian Lass]

I'm looking forward to a Cavendish vs Goss duel on MSR to be honest

MSR is bigger than winning 5 flat Tour stages.

It's certainly a lot more interesting. I don't expect Renshaw to be in the mix to be honest, but I guess you never know.

 

[theyoungest]

Why do people suddenly expect Renshaw to be a lot faster than he was at age 25/26, when he won about 2 races a year for Credit Agricole? He's no competition for Goss, and certainly not for Cav.

 

[El Pistolero]

Why do people suddenly expect Renshaw to be a lot faster than he was at age 25/26, when he won about 2 races a year for Credit Agricole? He's no competition for Goss, and certainly not for Cav.

He'll probably have improved since then, but you're totally right we shouldn't be expecting too much of him. It seems like a weird buy for Rabobank to me, unless he's willing to do lead-outs for Bos all the time which I doubt.

 

[will10]

Renshaw's young enough that if he has one or even two failed years as a sprinter, he can always go back to being a lead-out man - he was the best in the world, and will not be without suitors. Fair play to him for wanting to get his own chances, Rabobank said they'd give him them, let's see how he gets on.

 

[Swabian Lass]

Oh absolutely. I can completely understand him wanting to try on his own behalf. I'm just not expecting too much. I guess Rabobank are taking a chance that he'll win a few races and might turn out to be better than expected.

 

[Fatclimber]

Yeah, I've been scratching my head with all the hoopla about Renshaw getting his own chances for sprint wins. No doubt he's fast and the perfect leadout man, but to me that isn't interchangeable with being a sprinter. Thor and Tyler showed that this year, even though Tyler did get one victory from thor's leadout if I remember correctly.

 

[Waterloo Sunrise]

His career with CA was no worse than Goss's pre-HTC results. On that topic, I'm looking forward to discovering if Greenedge betting the farm on Goss goes as poorly as I expect, in terms of serious results.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

He'll probably have improved since then, but you're totally right we shouldn't be expecting too much of him. It seems like a weird buy for Rabobank to me, unless he's willing to do lead-outs for Bos all the time which I doubt.

They already have one second-rate Aussie sprinter who likes to headbutt people and throw punches, they just thought they'd trade in for a newer model.

 

[Michielveedeebee]

They already have one second-rate Aussie sprinter who likes to headbutt people and throw punches, they just thought they'd trade in for a newer model.

Renshaw is way better than Brown

 

[theyoungest]

His career with CA was no worse than Goss's pre-HTC results.

Maybe... the difference being that Goss was 22 years old at the time.

They already have one second-rate Aussie sprinter who likes to headbutt people and throw punches, they just thought they'd trade in for a newer model.

... or add some experience to their disfunctional sprint train.

Renshaw is way better than Brown

Is he?

 

[bladerunner]

Thanks for all your input BUT does anyone know which race the 3 of them will race against each other for the first time? If so, please post. Thanks.

 

[Richeypen]

Thanks for all your input BUT does anyone know which race the 3 of them will race against each other for the first time? If so, please post. Thanks.

Given that Cav hasnt released his program yet, no one on here knows

 

[Havetts]

You forgot to add a poll in the OP..

 

[Ferminal]

His career with CA was no worse than Goss's pre-HTC results. On that topic, I'm looking forward to discovering if Greenedge betting the farm on Goss goes as poorly as I expect, in terms of serious results.

http://cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/rider_palm.asp?riderid=1713&year=2005&all=1&current=0

http://cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/rider_palm.asp?riderid=3447&year=2009&all=1&current=0

Both as 22-23 year olds, Goss in his 3rd year as a pro, Renshaw's 2nd. Probably highlights Goss' classics promise moreso than sprinting though.

But agreed that GreenEdge are pinning too much on Goss. Falling away after M-SR is worrying. Only saved himself to some extent by getting Silver. Sky should just rely on GreenEdge to lead them out.

 

[simo1733]

I think goss could surprise a few people against cav next year. Goss is a good sprinter in his own right.

In the worlds he just got his timing wrong in the sprint coz he was closing down cav very rapidly indeed. This year he will have the full support of his own team and who knows what would of happenned in the worlds if he had renshaw.

Remember he has has already won a stage in the giro and i could easily see him repeat his MSR win next year and win ghent-wevelgem.

He won't have many better chances than the Worlds.Not only was it an up hill sprint, but his train got to sit in all day.

 

[greenedge]

The real question that I look forward to seeing the answer to is which team that will take the primary role in most sprints. Will Sky become a copy of HTC in the sprints of will we see a slightly different environment in sprints from now on?

I think GE will take a good role in the TDF whilst Rabo/ Sky will only set up their trains in the last 10km.

Thats' only because of Wiggins/ Froome and Gesink/ Mollema/ Kruijswijk

I think Goss might win at least one flat stage over Cav and will get the green jersey. I have no idea about M-SR ( it depends on how hard the race is/ Cavs' form ). I also agree with @ Gooner that Goss could win G-W and he shall manage his season better.

They got to "sit in" because they had Clarke up the road/ others. Unlike other teams they could actually have a good train ( Italy, then Germany fall into that category, though Martin was caught behind the crash )

 

[greenedge]

Is he?

If he can come 2nd to Petacchi yes he is better than Brown. He can always just lead out for Matthews and Bos if things go bad. Give him a chance.