Chinese now dope free

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Sorry I have been sitting on this all morning and just ... can't ... let it go.
In an exclusive interview with Xinhua, Craig Reedie said that the doping-free record for the Chinese athletes at international arena is absolutely first class.

"I think I'm right in saying there hasn't been international positive test from a Chinese athlete for many years. I think, that's a proud record," said the 73-year-old Scotsman, who was elected as WADA's president last year.

http://en.chinagate.cn/2014-08/20/content_33293349.htm
To me, it's like saying, "look, this black box doesn't leak. it's amazing. everyone should have one. no idea what goes on inside, but it's not leaking, so it must be working."

And yes, I realise it's a press release, that China is the next big thing in terms of sport and income generation IOC possibilities, etc, etc, hmmmm...
 
Dear Wiggo said:
Sorry I have been sitting on this all morning and just ... can't ... let it go.


To me, it's like saying, "look, this black box doesn't leak. it's amazing. everyone should have one. no idea what goes on inside, but it's not leaking, so it must be working."

And yes, I realise it's a press release, that China is the next big thing in terms of sport and income generation IOC possibilities, etc, etc, hmmmm...
So the Chinese have stolen yet another secret: Sky's doping program :D

BTW, the only Chinese in the TdF was indeed on his bike busting is a$$ 6 hours a day longer than the rest of the peloton :p What was he on?
 
Archibald said:
sounds about right considering BC's record at the Beijing Olympics...
Just out of curiosity, I checked if Piti was a word in any of the Chinese languages. Well, it means 'body'. LA means 'pull'. A little more research and we may find that Bjarne means 'syringe', Big Mig 'tourniquet', and Boonen 'pot belge'. :D
 
the sceptic said:
the president of WADA spouting "never tested positive" garbage is a bad sign.
Reedie goes way, way back in Olympics apparently. Reedie to anonymous Internet w@nkers like me was an unknown. I read him to be friendly with the sports federations, more so than any previous WADA leader. Until this gem, nothing distinguished the guy. He was as silent as Francesca Rossi. (who???)

In the upside down world of IOC sports administration, USADA's sanction of Armstrong was terrible. THEY were supposed to be in charge. The 1:1000 opportunity that USADA had was never supposed to happen. So the last guy gets fired and the sports federations feel good about Reedie.


Someone is getting paid something for this propaganda. Chances are good we'll see some indirect IOC activity regarding China weeks from now.
 
Dear Wiggo said:
Sorry I have been sitting on this all morning and just ... can't ... let it go.


To me, it's like saying, "look, this black box doesn't leak. it's amazing. everyone should have one. no idea what goes on inside, but it's not leaking, so it must be working."

And yes, I realise it's a press release, that China is the next big thing in terms of sport and income generation IOC possibilities, etc, etc, hmmmm...
Its probably related to the progress their anti-doping community has done.

Which I think has been very good.
 
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They are still testing positive in China. Shizhu Wang tested positive for a diuretic in June last year and got a public reprimand

This spring she smashed the Asian record in hammer throw.

And Reedie can't count biological passport sanctions as "international positive tests", as marathon runner Wang Jiali was slapped with one of those within the last year.
 
May 26, 2010
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Creedie it would appear has been 'convinced' in similar manner to other Federation presidents........no surprise.
 
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Dear Wiggo said:
Sorry I have been sitting on this all morning and just ... can't ... let it go.


To me, it's like saying, "look, this black box doesn't leak. it's amazing. everyone should have one. no idea what goes on inside, but it's not leaking, so it must be working."

And yes, I realise it's a press release, that China is the next big thing in terms of sport and income generation IOC possibilities, etc, etc, hmmmm...
I don't agree. If no one gets caught then even the idiots and the mistakes don't test positive.
So either they don't get tested, or there are no idiots or mistakes.
So either evidence of no tests being carried out or evidence of an organized doping program.

Otherwise there will always be some rogue athlete testing positive.
 
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Almeisan said:
I don't agree. If no one gets caught then even the idiots and the mistakes don't test positive.
So either they don't get tested, or there are no idiots or mistakes.
So either evidence of no tests being carried out or evidence of an organized doping program.

Otherwise there will always be some rogue athlete testing positive.
I don't understand what you are disagreeing with, nor what the rest of your post is referring to.

In terms of the professional world, and human rights, a country with its record in those fields, being absolutely clean and uncompromised when it comes to doping, through no positive tests, is a big, red flag, to my way of thinking.

I don't believe Garmin is winning monuments and GTs clean either.
 
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When there are lots of "international positives" from a nation it means the athletes haven't been exposed to much testing before, and don't know how to adapt to the testing. They use steorids with long detection windows, get the timing wrong, use stuff there are tests for etc. Very soon after they get exposed to testing they learn that they can't dope like before and adjust. Better information, better stuff, more carefullness.

More up to date national testing will mean less international positives. Not because the dopers are caught before they go to some international championship, but because they will have learned to dope better and safer before they go to that international championship. If there are less international medals won for the nation too it would possibly also mean less doping.

Praising someone because they have no "international positives" is foolish. Unless all you want is less positives, and not less doping.
 
Almeisan said:
I don't agree. If no one gets caught then even the idiots and the mistakes don't test positive.
So either they don't get tested, or there are no idiots or mistakes.
So either evidence of no tests being carried out or evidence of an organized doping program.

Otherwise there will always be some rogue athlete testing positive.
Can't you read - (Nonono beat me to the punch) despite Reedie spouting stuff that he dreamed up that morning over coffee, Chinese athletes are still testing positive - look at the previous page.

I'll post one of the athletes wiki link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wang_Jiali

It is just so depressing. 1, you would expect him to have got himself up to speed before he went to the country so he could engage them about what they were doing to deal with the positives they were still finding. But 2, having not done that it is very depressing that they guys at the top are just so arrogant they can't be ars*d to even spend 5 minutes on the internet before engaging the other orifice.

The same stuff seems to come out of each end.
 
Could it just be that sports are governed by state programs, and that anti-doping is state controlled, that doping is state sponsored, therefore there's a huge cover up and busts are few and far between, more likely in international competitions?
 
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Tonton said:
Could it just be that sports are governed by state programs, and that anti-doping is state controlled, that doping is state sponsored, therefore there's a huge cover up and busts are few and far between, more likely in international competitions?
Reedie even mentions the word, education. No kidding, I thought to myself.
 
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As I have said before, WADA has been compromised. The sports authorities lobbied to get weak leadership at WADA, and that is exactly what they got.

WADA President John Fahey and Pat McQuaid, his counterpart at the UCI, have been engaged in a war of words, mainly conducted through the media, about alleged cover-ups and the transparency of the inquiry cycling's world governing body is trying to conduct


McQuaid, and Bitti got rid of Fahey because he was concerned about corruption in the sports authorities. So the corrupt authorities "won", and clean sports loses.

They didn't like the bad publicity they were getting from the media after Armstrong got caught. Corrupt officials can't stand scrutiny.


As ancient Confucius say, "corruption can't live in a lighted room".
 
Tonton said:
Could it just be that sports are governed by state programs, and that anti-doping is state controlled, that doping is state sponsored, therefore there's a huge cover up and busts are few and far between, more likely in international competitions?
It's not a huge cover-up.

If they do the doping right, then they are testing to "never test positive" before they leave the country. And what happens if they test positive in-country? The federation doesn't open a case. Everyone involved in setting up WADA knew this.

When you hear about athletes showing up late to events, it's most likely because they had to get down to "never test positive" scores.

Andynonomous, I wouldn't say it's been compromised as much as how it really works is finally becoming obvious. The early leaders gave the body credibility, and once the IOC was satisfied, it's back to doping only a little safer than before.

The JADCO scandal was never fully explained either. (Testing to never test positive at International meets) So, the IOC is still trying to pretend WADA protects sport integrity.
 
Reedie has been working on fundraising for more of the IOC's famous "research." For those not aware, the IOC has a long history of using "research" to delay doing anything about doping.

And guess which country was the first to commits fund? China.

http://www.lawinsport.com/sports-law-news/item/china-leads-government-commitment-to-match-ioc-anti-doping-research-fund

We're getting a better picture of Reedie. It can be safely summarized as "okay everyone, look busy!"

Also mentioned is USADA having a small research fund. Heaven forbid they make any breakthroughs the IOC need to worry about.
 
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http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-30173028

Chinese Olympic and World Champion swimmer Sun Yang was banned for three months in May after failing a doping test, Chinese media has revealed.

The China Anti-Doping Agency said he had tested positive for a banned stimulant trimetazidine, state news agency Xinhua reports.

He went on to compete in the Asia Games in South Korea in September, taking three gold medals.
Seems kind of like a big thing. Silently banning someone who is probably a well known athlete after WADA has decleared China cleans.
 
May 19, 2010
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the sceptic said:
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-30173028



Seems kind of like a big thing. Silently banning someone who is probably a well known athlete after WADA has decleared China cleans.
The Estonian continental level cyclist Peeter Pruus got ten months for his trimetazidine positive. He is no Olympic gold medalist and Estonia hasn't been declared clean by Reedie, so his positve wasn't kept secret either.

And Marina Lisogor (UKR) got two years for her trimetazidine positive. The period of ineligibility started on 6 May, and she had been provisionally suspended since medio February, so in reality she got 26 and a half month. She tested postive at the most holy and clean event of them all, the Olympics, so she had it comming.
 

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