There are definitely places where being naked in public is a misdemeanor.It's also not written in any official document that you are not allowed to show up for a wedding or funeral naked. Or interrupt all speeches there by blowing a whistle.
Didn't we establish several days ago that ASO had in fact agreed with the rider request of taking the time at 5-K-to-go. but UCI - which is above ASO in term of "rank" - denied the request.And none of you even remotely blamed ASO for messing up at the end of the stage 3. Some even had the nerve to defend it.
ASO is the race organiser and as such responsible for rider safety, not UCI. Unless laws in France are that much different that organiser isn't responsible for event safety. I very much doubt that but feel free to correct me.Didn't we establish several days ago that ASO had in fact agreed with the rider request of taking the time at 5-K-to-go. but UCI - which is above ASO in term of "rank" - denied the request.
UCI governs all of cycling. They are the ultimate authority!ASO is the race organiser and as such responsible for rider safety, not UCI. Unless laws in France are that much different that organiser isn't responsible for event safety. I very much doubt that but feel free to correct me.
When ASO agreed safety is insufficient and additional safety measures should be implemented. And when they after backed out and sent riders on the road without implementing the agreed upon safety measures.
That made them liable. But lets forget about law. That made the peloton crash. Just like that woman did.
Again, you twist...@jmdirt
Speeding ticket is still a rather common thing, though? Do we really want to have just an impression of increased safety. Like saying we have done enough, by writing some tickets. Peloton still crashing due to fan involved incidents.
Obviously i could be wrong but i don't feel i am on this one.
Why the double standards? Why are you going on about some woman for days. Feeling you are entitled to have a say in this matter or that it affected you in any meaningful way. People involved will get sorted it out. And none of you even remotely blamed ASO for messing up at the end of the stage 3. Some even had the nerve to defend it. This is the area where safety related incidents can really start to drop if people involved will do their job.
Suck it up and move on.
UCI - again, the higher authority within cycling - overruled the decision made by ASO. Surely by doing that they also accepted that they took the responsibility for any safety issues. Also, you were the one who first brought up local laws. Come to think of it, I'm pretty sure if it was ever brought up at any kind of court, the court in question would probably be CAS.@@RedheadDane
Tell me why would you even assume event organiser isn't responsible for the event safety and for that to be regulated by local laws? Why are we even discussing this? Do you know any lawyer you trust and you can just ask? To save us the time on discussing this endlessly.
I know the race organizers have backed off when it comes to pursuing the matter further. Not only from a compassionate level, but a business perspective as well.
Just FYI: my washing bikes 'idea' was exactly that, tongue in cheek, silly talk. Even if that was a good idea, do you think that the mechanics would let her (or anyone else for that matter) near the team bikes?I know the race organizers have backed off when it comes to pursuing the matter further. Not only from a compassionate level, but a business perspective as well.
They realize that the poor woman is devastated. She knows the braying hounds have nothing better to do than call for her head.
She admitted that she had to lay low before turning herself in to police to prevent unwanted and completely unnecessary exposure for what she admitted was a stupid mistake. Remember "Bartman?" He was the life-long Chicago Cubs fan attending a playoff game to support his beloved team when he caught a foul ball at an inopportune time and his life changed forever. I won't go into details, but his story is easy to find, and it is truly fascinating.
The TDF race organizers realize that enough exposure has been gained to prevent further actions like these from happening in future. What's to be gained from the poor woman washing bikes? That's just silly talk. Just leave her be and let her get on with her life.
I'm not a lawyer, but if race organizers and teams etc went balls to the wall to sue the woman, I know for sure I would make every effort to point out the fact that no effort was made to prevent fans from stepping on to the road.
What was this poor woman who was attending her first race supposed to think, your honour? She's only seen the race on TV where cameras capture every moment of every spectator screaming into the ears of the riders climbing up a mountain. They are mere inches from the faces of the riders.
No, your honour, we wish to file a counter-suit for all the emotional damage caused to my client.
FYI, not sure about Europe or America but "fans" in Australia can be charged AUD 5,500 for running onto cricket or football pitches at major events and that is for causing no physical injury to anyone. If this woman was fined 1500 Euros she got off very lightly for her stupidity and lack of duty of care that caused injury and mayhem.
Because the superior party (no need for quotation marks, UCI is superior) overruled them.You believe it's UCI and my claim is ASO. Feel free to ask someone you know with a bit of a law background and knowledge. That is if sport event organiser is responsible for the safety and if it's liable in the case it fails to implement agreed upon safety measurements. Resulting in (predictable) injuries and damages. Basically the end of stage 3. And if such sport event organiser have any grounds in shifting the responsibility to some "superior party".
I'm sorry, jmdirt. I was almost certain you weren't serious but I was skimming over posts and wasn't paying attention to names. Sorry about that.Just FYI: my washing bikes 'idea' was exactly that, tongue in cheek, silly talk. Even if that was a good idea, do you think that the mechanics would let her (or anyone else for that matter) near the team bikes?
I hope you didn't think that I was serious about rubbing salt in her hangnail either.
This is something that has been missing in this discussion this week. We have discussed it before on this forum though, that riders can make narrow/bumpy/potholed roads less dangerous by racing accordingly. That doesn't take any responsibility away from the governing bodies, promoters, or fans.I have no idea what on earth a court could find ASO "liable" for on stage 3. What are the riders going to say-yes, that stage was super dangerous, that's why we were all on the front pushing hard and smacking each other off the road in the bunch instead of taking it easy"?