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Cyclists born in 1990

This has to be one of the most special age groups in recent years. Quintana won the Giro and was second in the Tour a year before. Kwiatkowski was third at LBL and is the current World Champion. Sagan has three green jerseys already. Phinney is one of the best time trialers out there. Michael Matthews won stages and wore the leaders jersey of the Giro and Vuelta. Bouhanni had a real break out season (on WT-level). So did Fabio Aru. Colbrelli not to forget his excellent year. Sam Bennett is also promising. The list goes on.

Just incredible. So I thought they deserve their own thread. Who will have the biggest success all around and/or in his special field?
 
You forgot Pinot, podium at Le Tour. Also Van Asbroeck, breakthrough of the year in the continental rankings and Tom Dumoulin. Riders who can develop to be among the best in their best categories - Chaves and Dennis.
 
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As much as I love Van Asbroeck (went to school with him and we lived in the same small village) I don't think he fits in with all the big names listed here. Hopefully I'm wrong. :p
 
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El Pistolero said:
As much as I love Van Asbroeck (went to school with him and we lived in the same small village) I don't think he fits in with all the big names listed here. Hopefully I'm wrong. :p
Is he a cool guy?:)
 
Truly incredible what these guys have achieved at 25

Peter Sagan
Nairo Quintana
Fabio Aru
Tom Dumoulin
Micheal Matthews
Michal Kwiatkowski
Rohan Dennis
Nacer Bouhanni
Thibaut Pinot
Romain Bardet
Esteban Chaves

4 in the top 6 of this years Vuelta!
 
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hrotha said:
1990 might well be the best year since 1971.
I think that's correct. Just looking at the numbers, there are 12 riders from 1990 in the CQ top 50 this year, and last year there were 11. No other birthyear has come close to that in the last ten years (8 from 1986 in 2013 and 8 from 1980 in 2008).

1994 might also become a good year. It's quite remarkable that there are two riders from 1994 already in the CQ top 50 (Benoot and Ewan). Only three other riders have managed to crack the top 50 at such a young age in the past ten years (Ciolek in 2007, Sagan in 2010 AND 2011, Demare in 2012).
 
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42x16ss said:
Go back and look through the start list of the 2010 Tour de l'Avenir, it's crazy. The amount of guys who've made it to the top who were is ridiculous.

As the achievements are by definition a relative measure, can the "strength" of 1990 be at least partly due to the "weakness" of previous years? Or somehow weaker "established" riders, and fading "old guard"?
 
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doperhopper said:
42x16ss said:
Go back and look through the start list of the 2010 Tour de l'Avenir, it's crazy. The amount of guys who've made it to the top who were there is ridiculous.

As the achievements are by definition a relative measure, can the "strength" of 1990 be at least partly due to the "weakness" of previous years? Or somehow weaker "established" riders, and fading "old guard"?
I think that's part of it, but if you look at the riders who were there, many have shown themselves to be quite talented, and for a few, that's putting it mildly:

Nairo Quintana
Michael Matthews
Taylor Phinney
Alex Dowsett
John Degenkolb
Andrew Talansky
Tom Dumoulin
Mikel Landa
Esteban Chaves
Romain Bardet
Michal Kwiatkowski
Wilco Kelderman
Tom Jelte Slagter
Jon Izagirre
Anthony Delaplace
Nelson Oliveira
Jesus Herrada
Jarlinson Pantano
Daniel Teklehaimanot
Pieter Serry
Ben King
Yannick Eijssen
Julian Vermote
David de la Cruz
Sebastian Reichenbach
Chris Juul-Jensen
Sylvain Dillier
Jose Goncalves
Bert Jan Lindeman
Ian Boswell
Darwin Atapuma
Luke Rowe

Were all there, and I've probably missed a few....
 
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42x16ss said:
doperhopper said:
42x16ss said:
Go back and look through the start list of the 2010 Tour de l'Avenir, it's crazy. The amount of guys who've made it to the top who were there is ridiculous.

As the achievements are by definition a relative measure, can the "strength" of 1990 be at least partly due to the "weakness" of previous years? Or somehow weaker "established" riders, and fading "old guard"?
I think that's part of it, but if you look at the riders who were there, many have shown themselves to be quite talented, and for a few, that's putting it mildly:

Nairo Quintana
Michael Matthews
Taylor Phinney
Alex Dowsett
John Degenkolb
Andrew Talansky
Tom Dumoulin
Mikel Landa
Esteban Chaves
Romain Bardet
Michal Kwiatkowski
Wilco Kelderman
Tom Jelte Slagter
Jon Izagirre
Anthony Delaplace
Nelson Oliveira
Jesus Herrada
Jarlinson Pantano
Daniel Teklehaimanot
Pieter Serry
Ben King
Yannick Eijssen
Julian Vermote
David de la Cruz
Sebastian Reichenbach
Chris Juul-Jensen
Sylvain Dillier
Jose Goncalves
Bert Jan Lindeman
Ian Boswell
Darwin Atapuma
Luke Rowe

Were all there, and I've probably missed a few....

Yes you have :) , Sagan
 
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SKSemtex said:
42x16ss said:
doperhopper said:
42x16ss said:
Go back and look through the start list of the 2010 Tour de l'Avenir, it's crazy. The amount of guys who've made it to the top who were there is ridiculous.

As the achievements are by definition a relative measure, can the "strength" of 1990 be at least partly due to the "weakness" of previous years? Or somehow weaker "established" riders, and fading "old guard"?
I think that's part of it, but if you look at the riders who were there, many have shown themselves to be quite talented, and for a few, that's putting it mildly:

Nairo Quintana
Michael Matthews
Taylor Phinney
Alex Dowsett
John Degenkolb
Andrew Talansky
Tom Dumoulin
Mikel Landa
Esteban Chaves
Romain Bardet
Michal Kwiatkowski
Wilco Kelderman
Tom Jelte Slagter
Jon Izagirre
Anthony Delaplace
Nelson Oliveira
Jesus Herrada
Jarlinson Pantano
Daniel Teklehaimanot
Pieter Serry
Ben King
Yannick Eijssen
Julian Vermote
David de la Cruz
Sebastian Reichenbach
Chris Juul-Jensen
Sylvain Dillier
Jose Goncalves
Bert Jan Lindeman
Ian Boswell
Darwin Atapuma
Luke Rowe

Were all there, and I've probably missed a few....

Yes you have :) , Sagan
I deviated a little from the thread topic - those are a selection of the riders who started the 2010 Tour de L'Avenir. Sagan was already playing with the big boys by then :eek:
 
Bump.

I know this thread is about the 90's but I feel that 1994 has a bit of the same vibe as the year of 1990. The talent pool isnt as big as wide as the one from 90' but quite a few of the best young talents in the world currently are all born in 1994. Gaviria, Ewan, Benoot, Lopez, Moscon just oozes future world class. Will 1994 overtake 1990 as the year of the most talented cyclist of this generation? Probably not, buts it's an interesting diskussion nonetheless
 
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Bushman said:
Bump.

I know this thread is about the 90's but I feel that 1994 has a bit of the same vibe as the year of 1990. The talent pool isnt as big as wide as the one from 90' but quite a few of the best young talents in the world currently are all born in 1994. Gaviria, Ewan, Benoot, Lopez, Moscon just oozes future world class. Will 1994 overtake 1990 as the year of the most talented cyclist of this generation? Probably not, buts it's an interesting diskussion nonetheless

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The 1990 vs 1994 is an interesting discussion, so I decided to do a little statistics. Note that this is solely based on cqranking and should be taken for what it is: A statistical research, and we all know the saying "statistics reveal a lot, but hide the most important".

Anyway, I decided to compare 1990 with 1994 on two years - what I call the "breakthrough" years. The breakthrough years of the 1990 generation are 2010 and 2011, while the breakthrough years of the 1994 generation are 2014 and 2015.

For each year, I looked at the average score of top 1, 3, 5, 10 and 20.

The 1990 generation in 2010:

Top 1: 928 (Sagan)
Top 3: 499 (Sagan, Felline, Matthews)
Top 5: 390 (Sagan, Felline, Matthews, Pinot, Phinney)
Top 10: 238
Top 20: 143

The 1990 generation in 2011:

Top 1: 1596 (Sagan)
Top 3: 946 (Sagan, Pinot, Matthews)
Top 5: 697 (Sagan, Pinot, Matthews, Phinney, Kwiatkowski)
Top 10: 444
Top 20: 268

The 1994 generation in 2014:

Top 1: 241 (Kudus)
Top 3: 230 (Kudus, Bauhaus, Carthy)
Top 5: 223 (Kudus, Bauhaus, Carthy, Benoot, Herklotz)
Top 10: 171
Top 20: 119

The 1994 generation in 2015:

Top 1: 872 (Benoot)
Top 3: 679 (Benoot, Ewan, Mareczko)
Top 5: 528 (Benoot, Ewan, Mareczko, Andersen, Lopez)
Top 10: 363
Top 20: 242

As the numbers show, the 1990 generation comfortably beats the 1994 generation in all tests. However, the numbers also show that the deeper we look into the generations, the closer it gets. The explanations for this can be explained by one - or both - of these thesis: a) the 1994 generation has a better depth than the 1990 generation, b) Sagan is so good that he single-handedly skews the statistics. Therefore I decided to test what the statistics would look like in world without Sagan, so I ran the numbers again but this time with the 2-21 ranked instead of 1-20 for the 1990 generation.

The 1990 generation without Sagan in 2010:

Top 1: 288 (Felline
Top 3: 270 (Felline, Matthews, Pinot)
Top 5: 228 (Felline, Matthews, Pinot, Phinney, Le Bon)
Top 10: 152
Top 20: 98

The 1990 generation without Sagan in 2011:

Top 1: 639 (Pinot)
Top 3: 528 (Pinot, Matthews, Phinney)
Top 5: 428 (Pinot, Matthews, Phinney, Kwiatkowski, Petit)
Top 10: 297
Top 20: 191

As this experiment shows, the 1994 generation actually does, on average, better than the Sagan-less 1990 generation, which could indicate that the level of the two generations might be a lot closer than the first test showed.

As mentioned in the beginning of this already rather long post, statistics don't necessarily mean much though and a lot can happen in a few years. Therefore I decided to take a look at the top performing riders from the 1990 generation in 2015 to examine if there's a consistency between their performances when they are 19-21 years and when they're 24-25. Here's the top 20 1990 riders in 2015 and their cqranking among others from the 1990 generation in 2010 and 2011 in parentheses:

1. Sagan (1, 1)
2. Aru (25, 13)
3. Quintana (10, 27)
4. Pinot (4, 2)
5. Dumoulin (9, 17)
6. Matthews (3, 3)
7. Bouhanni (13, 9)
8. Kwiatkowski (7, 5)
9. Bardet (14, 10)
10. Dennis (16, 114)
11. Felline (2, 7)
12. Chaves (-, 23)
13. Sbaragli (-, 99)
14. Colbrelli (20, 33)
15. Jans (-, 208)
16. Naesen (-, -)
17. Herrada (84, 8)
18. Lammertink (-, 90)
19. Bennett (44, 41)
20. Dillier (143, 69)

As the results show, quite a lot can happen in 4-5 years. That said, most of the real world beaters showed off their talent when they were 19-21 years old; all of the current top 10 1990'ers were at some point among the top 10 of their generation in 2010-2011 as well except Aru and Dennis, which could indicate that looking at the performances of riders even when they are very young, could give us an idea of their performances further ahead in their careers.

Anyway, that's enough for now, I better get some real work done now :D